Dockers 200 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 Masque wins an 800 metre 2yo race and Rodgy say quote "We think he is the next Savabeel". Is he losing the plot or has it been gone for a while. Seriously ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 7 hours ago, Dockers said: Masque wins an 800 metre 2yo race and Rodgy say quote "We think he is the next Savabeel". Is he losing the plot or has it been gone for a while. Seriously ? That's normal, he's had the "best horse he's ever had" every year for the last thirty years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 492 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 What happened to his assault on the major English jumps races? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 Spruik and Sell La Zip 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varro 244 Report post Posted September 24, 2017 I see he also got involved in the harness gig too. not sure if he is still doing this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,711 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Varro said: I see he also got involved in the harness gig too. not sure if he is still doing this Sort of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,876 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Playing the Devil's advocate; he's achieved more than 90% of the posters on here including me one way or the other. LOL Grego, TOM(the other Molloy), Wannabearacecafer and 4 others 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneasy 497 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Insider said: Playing the Devil's advocate; he's achieved more than 90% of the posters on here including me one way or the other. LOL 99.99% more!!! Kotare_Hunter, Turny, Lloyd Vivian and 2 others 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Insider said: Playing the Devil's advocate; he's achieved more than 90% of the posters on here including me one way or the other. LOL Really, no one could possibly have paid so much for so many useless Standardbreds. A fine ambassador for NZ gallops though IMHO gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockers 200 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Totally agree but the next Savabeel ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Legend - very pro NZ - top bloke - and a bloody good horseman - and can train the animals - support passion - the industry should champion blokes like Rodgy - stuffed without his ilk vanturk1, Kotare_Hunter, chelseacol and 3 others 4 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dockers said: Totally agree but the next Savabeel ?? Its called marketing... don't get so hung up on it he has done it for years and occasionally he is right... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,681 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Rogie spouted the exact same line with one that won at Tauranga a year to 18months ago--think it may have been Ferrando ( if not it was one that had won at the Pirongia picnic meeting.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockers 200 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, chevy86 said: Rogie spouted the exact same line with one that won at Tauranga a year to 18months ago--think it may have been Ferrando ( if not it was one that had won at the Pirongia picnic meeting.) Think it was the one that won at Pirongia. Forget it's name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockers 200 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Straight Sets or Unconqured Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,681 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Unconquered was the one Dockers. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 His speech after Lloyd "trained" another Melb Cup winner, was a Classic ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Vivian 742 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 I'd be paying a lot of attention to any Savabeel that can win the first 2yo race of the season. Just might be a bit special. I'd also be interested to know the percentage of Savabeel 2yo winners that have gone on to be above average?? Someone got the stats? vanturk1 and Memphis2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Lloyd Vivian said: I'd be paying a lot of attention to any Savabeel that can win the first 2yo race of the season. Just might be a bit special. I'd also be interested to know the percentage of Savabeel 2yo winners that have gone on to be above average?? Someone got the stats? Pasadena Girl comes to mind being a G1 winning 2yo over a mile as well as a Listed 2yo winner over 1000m (both in Aussie), Hasahalo Stakes winning 2yo, Gold Fever Matamata Breeders' winner. Some of his better performers did win a race at 2 including Sangster, Soriano, Hall Of Fame, Savvy Nature, Addictive Nature, Lady Kipling, Nurse Kichen etc, but were just minor races. Definitely not a noted 2yo sire, Masque's full sister is Costume who was a dual G1 winner as an older horse over 2000m. Lloyd Vivian 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 Interesting to note Savabeel had three 2YO SW's last year, more than any other NZ based sire. No other NZ non shuttle stallion has sired more 2YO sw's with Pins and Savabeel both having sired 8 2YO sw's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, fitzy said: Interesting to note Savabeel had three 2YO SW's last year, more than any other NZ based sire. No other NZ non shuttle stallion has sired more 2YO sw's with Pins and Savabeel both having sired 8 2YO sw's. Generally just a very good sire isn't he!, I have Hassahalo and Gold Fever winning stakes races as juveniles last season, who am I missing?, someone in Australia? So many of our 2YO Stakes races are dominated by horses sired by Australian stallions now, Melody Belle/Summer Passage/Oiji Phoenix spring to mind from last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Thistle 133 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 18 hours ago, turny said: Legend - very pro NZ - top bloke - and a bloody good horseman - and can train the animals - support passion - the industry should champion blokes like Rodgy - stuffed without his ilk I agree with most of that. However he and his co-trainer have a modest strike rate with winners to starters, averaging one winner to 10.7 starters over the last 4 completed seasons. The range over that time for the Rogersons was from one winner to 8.03 starters in 2014/05 to 1 winner to 14.27 starters in 2013/14; last season it was 1 winner to 12.25 starters and in 2015/16 it was 1 to 10.46 [source: NZTR website]. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Scotch Thistle said: I agree with most of that. However he and his co-trainer have a modest strike rate with winners to starters, averaging one winner to 10.7 starters over the last 4 completed seasons. The range over that time for the Rogersons was from one winner to 8.03 starters in 2014/05 to 1 winner to 14.27 starters in 2013/14; last season it was 1 winner to 12.25 starters and in 2015/16 it was 1 to 10.46 [source: NZTR website]. I'm sure his strike rate keeps him awake at night, seeing as he has trained Cup winners galore, Slipper Winner,Cox Plate winner, Guineas winners the list goes on. I've never understood this over reliance on Strike rate in assessing trainers , particularly when there are so many facets to training horses, that you can't take the stats seriously. Such as the above trainer preparing jumpers for starters. Lloyd Vivian 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50 win no. 1 106 Report post Posted September 26, 2017 Good on Rogie. He is a dreamer and aims for the stars. He has had a interesting and varied career. Well done Shad, Lloyd Vivian, Insider and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Vivian 742 Report post Posted September 28, 2017 Say what you like - Rogie is a 'Doner' - not a 'Gunna'!!!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...