eljay 1,719 Report post Posted July 5, 2020 3 more covid cases from India this time. 1 woman 'escaped" from lockdown. Will only take one incident and we will get a relapse like (e.g.) Victoria has got. Should we continue to handle this coming home situation in the present way or for the sake of saving lives should we just get tough! Is humanitarianism of citizenship more or less important than human life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripple alliance 1,025 Report post Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, eljay said: 3 more covid cases from India this time. 1 woman 'escaped" from lockdown. Will only take one incident and we will get a relapse like (e.g.) Victoria has got. Should we continue to handle this coming home situation in the present way or for the sake of saving lives should we just get tough! Is humanitarianism of citizenship more or less important than human life? I don't think humanitarianism of citizenship will be an issue , much of the world has opted for control /supression not elimination , that's because they recognize elimination isn't an option which means we will be on the outer . No tourisiam or students for us but our people are able to head off to Briton / Europe on their OEs / holidays , Briton has just removed quarantene obligations on people entering the country from many countrys even though people are still dieing in the UK , 85 ?? yesterday . We have placed our selves in a difficult position , sooner or later we will have to rejoin the world , easing into that position will be challenging to say the least , a real political hot potatoe , perhaps a small out break would be welcome by some .. One things for sure we cann't be a closed country forever . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted July 5, 2020 Jacks' gone quiet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripple alliance 1,025 Report post Posted July 5, 2020 12 hours ago, rdytdy said: Jacks' gone quiet. (name JUST ONE of cindys main priority policies that has succeeded .) Hes waiting for them to succeed at something , it will be a long wait but I supose they did manage to pass a law under urgency that allowed criminals/prisoners to vote or to make it possible for police to invade our homes without a warrant and I think any one who has a gun licence has also lost legal protections . But road blocks up north and mass protests during lockdown are ok . rdytdy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 17 hours ago, rdytdy said: Jacks' gone quiet. There`s more to life than educating Irrational Conservative people... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 8 hours ago, tripple alliance said: (name JUST ONE of cindys main priority policies that has succeeded .) Hes waiting for them to succeed at something , it will be a long wait but I supose they did manage to pass a law under urgency that allowed criminals/prisoners to vote or to make it possible for police to invade our homes without a warrant and I think any one who has a gun licence has also lost legal protections . But road blocks up north and mass protests during lockdown are ok . Quote : From The Standard. At their best, National can be reasonably competent middle managers of the things that others have built. Showing the background of many of them. It has been disastrous when they have tried to do any more than that. Attacking other parties policies without a clue how to do any better, along with the "Born to Rule" sense of aristocratic entitlement, the totally callous attitude to anyone "not in our class old boy", and their large dose of Dunning Kruger, gives all of us a "Moral obligation" to keep them away from any positions of power for as long as possible. OR .. National has NEVER had a vision for the future of NZ, it has always been about gaining power at any cost and constructing policies that are heavily slanted towards benefiting their electoral donors. As history shows quite emphatically, NZ has never been in a better position on any metric after any term of a National Govt. Keneperu 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,825 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, jack said: Quote : From The Standard. At their best, National can be reasonably competent middle managers of the things that others have built. Showing the background of many of them. It has been disastrous when they have tried to do any more than that. Attacking other parties policies without a clue how to do any better, along with the "Born to Rule" sense of aristocratic entitlement, the totally callous attitude to anyone "not in our class old boy", and their large dose of Dunning Kruger, gives all of us a "Moral obligation" to keep them away from any positions of power for as long as possible. OR .. National has NEVER had a vision for the future of NZ, it has always been about gaining power at any cost and constructing policies that are heavily slanted towards benefiting their electoral donors. As history shows quite emphatically, NZ has never been in a better position on any metric after any term of a National Govt. You prefer Arderns socialist vision then Jack....comrade ?. And that last paragraph is bullshit....the massive surplus left to Labour has been the reason they have been able to make handouts to all and sundry.....just hope we don’t have a major catastrophe while they are in power.... Keneperu 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, jack said: There`s more to life than educating Irrational Conservative people... (name JUST ONE of cindys main priority policies that has succeeded .) We are still waiting with bated breath. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 1 1,386 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 4 hours ago, jack said: There`s more to life than educating Irrational Conservative people... Ha this is your mates before and after indoctrination How sick is this... the left is one giant scam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodsie 208 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Ohokaman said: You prefer Arderns socialist vision then Jack....comrade ?. And that last paragraph is bullshit....the massive surplus left to Labour has been the reason they have been able to make handouts to all and sundry.....just hope we don’t have a major catastrophe while they are in power.... you have me confused ohoka...... your cheering, like they did for lord module at addington for the most radical socialist agenda the world has ever seen in the USA but for some reason you not ok with socialism here?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripple alliance 1,025 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, jack said: Quote : From The Standard. At their best, National can be reasonably competent middle managers of the things that others have built. Showing the background of many of them. It has been disastrous when they have tried to do any more than that. Attacking other parties policies without a clue how to do any better, along with the "Born to Rule" sense of aristocratic entitlement, the totally callous attitude to anyone "not in our class old boy", and their large dose of Dunning Kruger, gives all of us a "Moral obligation" to keep them away from any positions of power for as long as possible. OR .. National has NEVER had a vision for the future of NZ, it has always been about gaining power at any cost and constructing policies that are heavily slanted towards benefiting their electoral donors. As history shows quite emphatically, NZ has never been in a better position on any metric after any term of a National Govt. Jack , stay away from the standard it's total left wing propaganda , worthless garbage . Gaining power at any cost , the last election result showed who wanted to govern at any cost . Peters gets 3 billion and comrade cindy gets to do as she is told , all of her priority policys have been destroyed by peters , she hasn't had one of her pet projects succeed . Now lets get real , former labour ministers either struggle for work or become Mayors , goff , dalziel , chadwick etc etc , plenty more but why waste time on that . Former National ministers , lets start with the most recent , Key , international co director in charge of billions , English same , Chris Finlayson owns legal firm , Nathan Guy owns huge dairy business , Simon Power west pac CEO , just scratching the surface but as you can see the Nats have a long history of having competant people involved with the National Party . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,825 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 40 minutes ago, shodsie said: you have me confused ohoka...... your cheering, like they did for lord module at addington for the most radical socialist agenda the world has ever seen in the USA but for some reason you not ok with socialism here?? You are demented as usual.....the situation here is quite different from the US. Over your head obviously...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,825 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 40 minutes ago, tripple alliance said: Jack , stay away from the standard it's total left wing propaganda , worthless garbage . Gaining power at any cost , the last election result showed who wanted to govern at any cost . Peters gets 3 billion and comrade cindy gets to do as she is told , all of her priority policys have been destroyed by peters , she hasn't had one of her pet projects succeed . Now lets get real , former labour ministers either struggle for work or become Mayors , goff , dalziel , chadwick etc etc , plenty more but why waste time on that . Former National ministers , lets start with the most recent , Key , international co director in charge of billions , English same , Chris Finlayson owns legal firm , Nathan Guy owns huge dairy business , Simon Power west pac CEO , just scratching the surface but as you can see the Nats have a long history of having competant people involved with the National Party . Ardern is an empty vessel with a load of empty chairs behind her........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 14 hours ago, rdytdy said: (name JUST ONE of cindys main priority policies that has succeeded .) We are still waiting with bated breath. Clean water is the birth-right of all of us, and vital to our continued prosperity. Our rivers and lakes are a taonga of huge significance to Māori, a favourite place of recreation for New Zealanders. Water underpins our agriculture. Labour will: Restore our rivers and lakes to a truly swimmable state within a generation Help farmers and other owners of waterways with fencing and riparian planting through our Ready for Work programme Give the regional councils the resources to clean up their waterways through a water royalty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 14 hours ago, Ohokaman said: You prefer Arderns socialist vision then Jack....comrade ?. And that last paragraph is bullshit....the massive surplus left to Labour has been the reason they have been able to make handouts to all and sundry.....just hope we don’t have a major catastrophe while they are in power.... Cindy has are vested interest in saving New Zealander`s lives .... National has doctrine of scuttling the countries best interest of securing our borders ... Go figure!! My fellow Kiwi. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 13 hours ago, 100 1 said: Ha this is your mates before and after indoctrination How sick is this... the left is one giant scam Spoken like an true " Irrational Conservative Bigot ". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 13 hours ago, tripple alliance said: Jack , stay away from the standard it's total left wing propaganda , worthless garbage . Gaining power at any cost , the last election result showed who wanted to govern at any cost . Peters gets 3 billion and comrade cindy gets to do as she is told , all of her priority policys have been destroyed by peters , she hasn't had one of her pet projects succeed . Now lets get real , former labour ministers either struggle for work or become Mayors , goff , dalziel , chadwick etc etc , plenty more but why waste time on that . Former National ministers , lets start with the most recent , Key , international co director in charge of billions , English same , Chris Finlayson owns legal firm , Nathan Guy owns huge dairy business , Simon Power west pac CEO , just scratching the surface but as you can see the Nats have a long history of having competant people involved with the National Party . ...It`s a lot more informative to the dribble that`s has be posted on here .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 1 1,386 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, jack said: Spoken like an true " Irrational Conservative Bigot ". Just look at the photos clown You think this is normal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 Just now, 100 1 said: Just look at the photos clown You think this is normal? People have " freedom of choice to be, who they are or what they wear.... They DO NOT need to CONFORM to YOUR IDEALISM of life... Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 1 1,386 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, jack said: People have " freedom of choice to be, who they are or what they wear.... They DO NOT need to CONFORM to YOUR IDEALISM of life... Because of the Bullshit(NO FREEDOM OF CHOICE) they have been fed their choice is flawed. Once indoctrinated they bar freedom of choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, 100 1 said: Because of the Bullshit(NO FREEDOM OF CHOICE) they have been fed their choice is flawed. Once indoctrinated they bar freedom of choice. But , That`s YOUR OPINION ... Good Luck in life Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted July 6, 2020 13 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Ardern is an empty vessel with a load of empty chairs behind her........ The chairs are there Ohokason - it’s just that they are full of empty (air) heads! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripple alliance 1,025 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 8 hours ago, jack said: Clean water is the birth-right of all of us, and vital to our continued prosperity. Our rivers and lakes are a taonga of huge significance to Māori, a favourite place of recreation for New Zealanders. Water underpins our agriculture. Labour will: Restore our rivers and lakes to a truly swimmable state within a generation Help farmers and other owners of waterways with fencing and riparian planting through our Ready for Work programme Give the regional councils the resources to clean up their waterways through a water royalty. Jack , please the question was what has comrade achieved , what policy success has she had , we know reducing child poverty was her personal goal but it's doubled FAIL . As for labour WILL , that's just political bullshit and another complete failure . "Almost 40 beaches in Auckland have been deemed "high risk" after weekend rain. According to Auckland Council's Safeswim database, 39 city spots posed the threat of causing illness from swimming. The warnings came after a Sunday filled with rain for the city and on Sunday night, a black alert, indicating a very high risk of illness from swimming, was issued for the North Shore's Castor Bay. High levels of E coli can cause severe abdominal cramps, diarrhoea and vomiting. The farmers have been working on cleaning up streams for the last few years with real success but comrade cindy efforts are a dismal failure . The regional councils are doing just fine it's comrade cindys big citys that are a real problem but up until recently farmer bashing has been a political tool used by labour . Jack this is the worst government in NZ history and you can't point to one main policy success . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack 429 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 10:00 AM, tripple alliance said: (name JUST ONE of cindys main priority policies that has succeeded .) .. As provided .. You can freely inquire with Auckland City Council about polluted beaches .. That`s their domain ... Labour will: Restore our rivers and lakes to a truly swimmable state within a generation ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted July 7, 2020 48 minutes ago, jack said: .. As provided .. You can freely inquire with Auckland City Council about polluted beaches .. That`s their domain ... Labour will: Restore our rivers and lakes to a truly swimmable state within a generation … https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/117341290/almost-40-auckland-beached-contaminated-by-human-waste-over-weekend Haven't succeeded there as yet Jack. Talk about kicking a can down the road. Is this the best you can come up with...…..after four days!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...