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43 minutes ago, Uriah Heap said:

So Australia is going to war with China?? Well that should be interesting! Best we just sit back and see how it plays out, I reckon 💥

Not the point

https://www.9news.com.au/national/china-australia-tensions-what-is-behind-drums-of-war-comments/f67ab47b-5a6b-4c54-96c1-8c925d56c485

Just tell us what side your Labour govt would be on.

The people would like know.

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19 hours ago, 100 1 said:

Not the point

https://www.9news.com.au/national/china-australia-tensions-what-is-behind-drums-of-war-comments/f67ab47b-5a6b-4c54-96c1-8c925d56c485

Just tell us what side your Labour govt would be on.

The people would like know.

 

It's always "sides" with you isn't it. What's that all about? 

I see it like the school playground, where the two big bully boys China and Uncle Sam are choosing kids to play on their team. Back in the day, I always found it best to play on one side one day and the other side the next. That way you stay in with both bullies. You got to be light on your feet, smart with your mouth and occasionally you hit the bully boy extra hard and he learns not to mess with you. That's New Zealand.

Other kids fall in behind one bully like a pathetic lap dog. That's Australia.

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21 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

So Australia is going to war with China?? Well that should be interesting! Best we just sit back and see how it plays out, I reckon 💥

Personally I think Australia need to be careful here,but hey they are generally good at shooting their mouths off,no other breed can match them,and that includes the US.

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21 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

So Australia is going to war with China?? Well that should be interesting! Best we just sit back and see how it plays out, I reckon 💥

Would be the funniest thing ever especially after all the trade they do with China, mining, cattle and so on. Talk about biting the hand.......

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National, Labour and He Puapua

By Michael Bassett 

At last some discussion about He Puapua. The document has been hatched in secret at the behest of the Labour Government and it had to be prized out of Te Puni Kokiri recently using the Official Information Act.

 

Commissioned by Nanaia Mahuta, He Puapua was written by nine people, most of them with European surnames. It is a plan to introduce racial segregation into every aspect of our public service. It would divide our society into Maori who form 16% of the population on which 50% of political power would devolve by 2040, while the other 170 ethnicities in this country who constitute 84% of the population would share the rest. The 16% would enjoy their privileged position because they possess a drop or more of Maori blood. Without that drop, the rest of us are destined to become a rather crowded group of second-class citizens.

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Mahuta carefully selected her group of advisers to produce a vision of how New Zealand could be brought into compliance with the 2007 UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. When the report came to ministers in 2019 it wasn’t released publicly, probably because the Labour government realized that it might be unpopular. No mention was made of He Puapua at the time of the 2020 election. Instead, once re-elected, ministers seem to have decided to implement its separatist recommendations in dribs and drabs.

Mahuta has given us Maori wards in local authorities, over-riding public opinion, and shortly Andrew Little will establish a separate Maori Health Authority. It will exercise power in the area of Maori health and also enjoy some rights – yet unexplained – to interfere in health decisions relating to the rest of us.

 

He Puapua proposes separate court and justice systems and contains a timetable for the establishment of a Maori Parliament. We know, too, that the government intends to inflict a disgracefully one-sided history curriculum on our schools, pushing the notion that only Maori values have been important to New Zealand’s history, and that the values of the colonizers who brought reading, writing, arithmetic and a system of justice to a country ravaged by the musket wars in the early Nineteenth Century are of no historical importance.

Why is New Zealand concerning itself about the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples with its clauses about freedom and equal treatment? In 2007 New Zealand, Canada, Australia and the United States voted against the Declaration, and only came around to joining up (with qualifications) several years later. New Zealand joined because of political pressure on John Key’s government from the Maori Party. In 2007 each of the four opponents of the Declaration possessed well-developed human rights guarantees in their constitutional structures that protected all minorities, including their indigenous people. Moreover, there was quite a strong feeling that Maori, who beat Europeans to settle New Zealand by only 400 to 500 years, were hard pressed to argue they were indigenous.

Certainly, they didn’t compare with Aborigines who had arrived in Australia 60,000 years ago, nor some of the first nations in other parts of the world. What is more, Maori had the security of a Treaty with New Zealand’s colonizers, Article 3 of which contained a guarantee that the Crown would “protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand (ie the Maori) and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England.” No other colonized people anywhere in the world received such a guarantee. Helen Clark’s government seems, quite rightly in my opinion, to have decided that signing up to the UN Declaration couldn’t further protect Maori rights.

 

How come therefore that He Puapua has now emerged as a political issue? It seems clear that some people with Maori ancestry perceive in the UN Declaration an opportunity to propel themselves into elite status over and above the rest of their fellow Kiwis. Ancient Maori society, as Mahuta well knows, was very hierarchical with its own royalty, chiefs and slaves; the modern He Puapua Maori agitators aren’t happy with equality that is everyone’s current lot and want to entrench themselves in superior positions.

Whether all of Jacinda Ardern’s cabinet share this aspiration for Maori isn’t yet clear, although they haven’t denied it, and we are entitled to suspect they do. One thing is clear: when Judith Collins gave her very carefully worded speech to the Auckland National Party conference last weekend, no minister denied that He Puapua was the Labour government’s long-term intention. Speaking for the government, Kelvin Davis’ only contribution was to abuse Collins. Shouting “racism” at anyone who questions anything to do with Maori seems now to be a universal comeback, no matter whether a sensible answer is needed or not.

The mere fact that this government is contemplating entrenching racial divisions in New Zealand society reminds us how young and inexperienced the current ministry is. The New Zealand Labour Party invested a lot of energy forty and fifty years ago fighting on behalf of those subjected to racial oppression in South African society. The Third Labour Government opposed the planned Springbok Tour to New Zealand in 1973 because its players were selected on the basis of race, and the entire Labour caucus in 1981, the year after Jacinda Ardern was born, protested vigorously against the arrival of a Springbok team in New Zealand, again because it was selected by race. Few if any of the current ministry seem to have any memory of what was once a key article of Labour faith: all people, irrespective of their racial origin, have a right to equal treatment.

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Graham Adams: Ardern in the Gun over He Puapua

A Covert 20-Year Plan to Establish Maori Sovereignty Is Political Dynamite. Graham Adams Argues It Represents a Real Threat to the Prime Minister’s Reputation as Open and Transparent.

 

 

Judith Collins made no effort to hide the cat-with-the-cream expression on her face when she answered journalists’ questions after a National Party meeting in Auckland on Saturday. She had just delivered a speech that rolled a grenade under Jacinda Ardern — with an apparent confidence that it would go off with an almighty bang and cause an awful lot of damage to the Labour government. She looked extremely pleased with herself.

 

Collins had already prepared the ground last week for the grenade to have maximum impact when she described the government’s proposal to establish a Maori Health Authority as “racist separation” and “segregation”.

Her statements were met mostly with scorn by media commentators — including damning them as an act of desperation, and obviously made in the vain hope of replicating Don Brash’s lift in the polls after his Orewa speech in 2004. The Maori Party accused her of “playing to the white supremacists”.

On Saturday, having already ensured the media’s attention with her previous incendiary comments about racial separatism, Collins widened her criticisms beyond the new health authority. She warned that a Maori Health Authority was simply one step along a path towards a nation divided on racial lines — from education and health to a “a separate Maori Parliament or Upper House”.

 

Such a warning might have been passed off as just more “desperate racist politicking” (as Maori Party co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer had described her earlier comments) if Collins didn’t happen to have in her possession the unredacted blueprint for just such a revolutionary transformation of New Zealand’s democracy.

The document — titled He Puapua: The Report of the Working Group on a Plan to Realise the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in Aotearoa/New Zealand — is explosive.

Commissioned by Cabinet in 2019 and produced by Te Puni Kokiri, it sets out a 20-year plan to bring the Declaration into effect. It envisages that by 2040 — the 200th anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi — the nation will be ruled under an equal power-sharing arrangement between Maori and non-Maori leaders.

 

The government had hidden the report for almost a year before a highly redacted version was released last October that offered the public only 34 of its full 123 pages. That degree of censorship should have made journalists instantly suspicious of what the government was so keen to keep hidden but it flew mostly under their radar until a complete version was published — possibly accidentally — in March.

On April 14, Act leader David Seymour held up a copy of He Puapua in Parliament before asking the Prime Minister why she hadn’t announced her government’s plans to follow its recommendations.

More specifically, Seymour wanted to know if the government would rule out the “Treaty-based constitution” the report calls for.

Ardern played dumb in response:

“I’m not quite entirely sure what sits at the core of the member’s question here. We have obligations to report on New Zealand’s compliance with a number of declarations that we have historically been involved in beyond just this term of office. If the member is trying to imply that there is anything other than us complying with our obligations there, he’d be most welcome to state that clearly and frankly, because I really question what it is he is implying with this line of questioning.”

Nanaia Mahuta, who was Minister for Maori Development when she secured Cabinet approval in 2019 to develop He Puapua, then rose to her feet with a patsy question to rescue her boss from a line of questioning she was evidently not enjoying. She asked if Ardern could confirm that New Zealand had signed the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples under John Key’s National-led government.

The Prime Minister was very happy to agree that the Declaration had, indeed, been signed under Key but she was less keen to answer the second, almost incoherent leg of Mahuta’s question — “… can the Prime Minister also clarify the basis upon which the next steps towards working through a national plan of action [He Puapua] might well be a positive progression?”

Ardern clearly wasn’t going to clarify “the next steps towards working through a national plan of action”, given she was trying strenuously to avoid giving David Seymour any clarity at all about whether the plan was being implemented.

When Seymour pressed the Prime Minister further and asked: “Will the Government rule out establishing a Maori Parliament, as called for by the report He Puapua?”, Ardern used the classic non-committal line beloved of politicians everywhere: “Obviously, we have no intention of making such a constitutional change…”, before adding, “However, we do commit ourselves to making sure that we are upholding our obligations as Treaty partners…”

It was a textbook case of equivocation.

If Ardern looked like a cat on a hot tin roof when being questioned by Seymour, she will hardly be thrilled that Collins — and the media — have now joined the fray and are demanding answers.

The government’s critics are busy publicising aspects of the report they say have already been implemented by stealth. Top of their list is the fact that He Puapua recommends making it easier to set up Maori wards — and in February the government did just that by overturning the law that meant voters could petition to force a referendum to veto a council decision to introduce them.

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Labour made no mention of such a law change in its election manifesto but Ardern pushed the Maori wards legislation through Parliament under urgency, allowing less than 48 hours for public submissions to be made.

He Puapua also calls for a Maori-centric version of New Zealand’s history in schools (which is in train); public education programmes, including conscious and subconscious bias training to deal with structural racism (which is already promoted by the Public Service Commission); and exempting some Maori land from rates (the Local Government (Rating of Whenua Maori) Amendment Act 2021 was passed in April), among other measures.

Opponents believe these moves are confirmation that He Puapua is functioning as an undeclared government manifesto.

They have also identified Ardern’s reluctance last year to condemn the Maori checkpoints set up without legal authority — allegedly to protect the self-proclaimed “borders” of predominantly Maori areas from Covid — as yet more evidence of a separatist agenda they believe she and her government had already secretly endorsed.

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Similarly, the Ihumatao settlement last December when protesters forced Fletcher Building to sell 33 hectares to the government for $30 million is being cited as an example of the same agenda, particularly since the deal was made explicitly outside the Treaty of Waitangi process.

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Overall, the impression that Ardern is intent on subverting the nation’s institutions and constitutional arrangements by stealth will risk severely damaging her political reputation, given that she has long trumpeted the virtues of openness and transparency.

On Sunday, Collins put out a press release that drove home that charge: “He Puapua has never been publicly announced but a number of recommendations, such as the Maori Health Authority and Maori council wards, have been implemented already without any acknowledgement from Ardern that they are part of a wider plan…

“The Prime Minister needs to explain why Labour has been busy implementing He Puapua’s recommendations one by one without sharing this wider plan with New Zealanders.

“National’s position is clear. We will not accept the implementation of two systems by stealth.”

For Ardern, the hot tin roof just got hotter.

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So the Govt have received a document (He Puapua) from a Working Group.

The first question to be answered is "How many documents from Working Groups does the Govt receive in a year."

2nd question is "How many are subsequently promoted by Govt and become law"

My guess to Q1 would be - "Plenty" and to Q2 "Not many".

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26 minutes ago, Uriah Heap said:

If Jacinda Ardern puts on a repatriation flight to bring people home from India, I will vote National at the next election. 🤞

What difference does it make Heap? It seems the Dreaded Covid doesn’t travel well here, anywho they could use Ivermectin as a prophylaxis and get these people thrown straight into the Community .... Labour and National are virtually the same party, the Right Vote is Act 

The BFD | The Indoctrination and Politicisation of Children by...

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On 5/5/2021 at 9:59 AM, Uriah Heap said:

So the Govt have received a document (He Puapua) from a Working Group.

The first question to be answered is "How many documents from Working Groups does the Govt receive in a year."

2nd question is "How many are subsequently promoted by Govt and become law"

My guess to Q1 would be - "Plenty" and to Q2 "Not many".

So a Govt working group wants apartheid but thats Ok  even though it came originally from the UN 

Pushing Communism and Apartheid is not going to end well

Maybe you will be able to answer the below equation as you seem well qualified

The brains of the confused left

 

 

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Darkening Clouds of Totalitarianism
April 18, 2021
By Dr Muriel Newman
“Totalitarianism: form of government that theoretically permits no individual freedom and that seeks to subordinate all aspects of individual life to the authority of the state.”
– Encyclopaedia Britannica
Under Jacinda Ardern’s stewardship, New Zealand is becoming a totalitarian state.
Another giant leap down that path was announced last week in the form of a Cabinet paper outlining plans to criminalise free speech. But before we examine the detail, let’s remind ourselves of two other significant expansions of State authority that are already underway.
The first involves State control of the entire economy under the guise of ‘climate change’.
As a result of the Prime Minister imposing the harshest carbon restrictions in the world onto New Zealand, the Climate Commission is foreshadowing the need for central planning on a grand scale, if the country is to meet our obligations under the United Nations Paris Agreement.
But the question is, why is our Prime Minister sacrificing our economy and living standards, when most other countries are doing nothing? Surely it can’t just be to look good when standing before the United Nations – or can it?
Shouldn’t the PM be held accountable, not to the UN, but to New Zealanders, for the economic damage she is inflicting onto our country?
The second area of totalitarian control involves the undermining of democracy itself. The Ardern Government has already abolished our democratic right to prevent local councils from introducing Maori wards. Now they are replacing democracy with separatist rule.
According to their He Puapua report, the UN’s Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples will be enacted by 2040. To achieve that goal, our constitution will be replaced with one that elevates the Treaty of Waitangi into supreme law, Maori tikanga will replace the common law, and the country will be governed through a 50:50 Crown-Maori ‘partnership’. Under what will, in effect, be a tribal dictatorship, democracy will cease to exist.
It’s time to say “No”! To defend democracy and equal rights we have launched a “Declaration of Equality” – to find out more, please click HERE.
The Prime Minister is now embarking on an even more threatening assault on our freedom – this time on our freedom of speech.
New Zealanders’ right to free speech is enshrined in section 14 of the 1990 Bill of Rights Act: “Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.”
That freedom is limited by the 1993 Human Rights Act. Section 61 makes it a civil offence to express “threatening, abusive, or insulting” opinions that are likely “to excite hostility against or bring into contempt any group of persons… on the ground of colour, race, or ethnic or national origins.”
Under Section 131 intentionally inciting hostility is a criminal offence that can result in imprisonment of up to three months or a fine of up to $7,000. However, as a public safeguard, such prosecutions need the approval of the Attorney-General.
According to the Human Rights Commission New Zealanders’ right to make controversial or offensive remarks is not undermined by these laws – they only restrict those who are inciting serious ethnic tension or unrest: “Only where there is the potential for significant detriment to society can the right to freedom of expression be limited.”
While prosecutions have been rare, many other constraints on free speech also exist.
The regulators dealing with complaints about published material are the Broadcasting Standards Authority, the Advertising Standards Authority, and the New Zealand Press Council.
The Harmful Digital Communications Act covers complaints about texts, emails, social media, and website content, with offenders facing up to two years in prison or fines of up to $50,000.
Threats of physical violence or harm are covered by the Crimes Act. Section 307A stipulates that threats made against people or property that cause “significant disruption of the activities of the civilian population” are an offence with a penalty of up to seven years in prison.
In 2019, following the Christchurch tragedy, then Minister of Justice Andrew Little announced a review “to examine whether our laws properly balance the issues of freedom of speech and hate speech. The process should not be rushed, and I expect a report for public comment towards the end of the year… Protecting our crucially important right to freedom of speech, while testing whether the balance is right regarding ‘hate speech’, needs a robust public discussion from all quarters. This way we will ensure that all of our citizens’ rights are protected, and every person can express their humanity without fear.”
The promised public consultation never eventuated. Instead of an open and transparent process, secret discussions were held with groups campaigning for harsher laws.
The Ministry of Justice chief executive Andrew Kibblewhite claimed hate speech was a “tricky thing” to navigate. They wanted to keep discussions “away from the political fray”, to prevent them being “derailed” and to “avoid protests”.
In the end, New Zealand First refused to support any restrictions of New Zealanders’ right to free speech. As a result, Labour promised a law change in their 2020 election manifesto: “Labour will extend legal protections for groups that experience hate speech, including for reasons of religion, gender, disability or sexual orientation, by ensuring that we prohibit speech that is likely to incite others to feel hostility or contempt towards these groups under the Human Rights Act.”
Their plan was to use the Human Rights Act to provide statutory protection to groups based not only on ‘race’, but on religion, gender, disability and sexual orientation as well.
Just after the election, the Royal Commission into the Christchurch shootings released its report including proposals to strengthen hate speech laws.
They recommended criminalising anyone deliberately inciting hostility by inserting section 131 of the Human Rights Act into the Crimes Act, increasing the penalties from three months in jail to at least two years, including ‘religion’ as a protected characteristic alongside ‘race’, and broadening the scope of ‘hate speech’ from an intent to ‘incite’ hostility to an intent to ‘stir’ it up.
But this week’s NZCPR Guest Contributor political commentator Chris Trotter is questioning the Government’s plan to enact Royal Commission recommendations to restrict our freedom, when nothing could have stopped the ‘lone wolf’ attack:
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Mike's Minute: What are the govt's plans with He Puapua?

 
 
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Evidence trumps denial. That's where I am at this morning with He Puapua.

This week has seen the presence of this report and its potential go from something dismissed as a bit of race baiting, little more than a discussion document loved by National written by an academic, and of no consequence whatsoever, to a full-blown acceptance that something is afoot.

The evidence is the separate health agency with veto powers. The key is the veto powers. The evidence is the argument put forward that Maori are disproportionately represented in the health area. An argument no one disagrees with, because you can't.

And yet it is justification for a standalone health agency with veto powers.

The obvious question, and we've asked it several times this week, is if that’s the logic for health, why isn't it the logic for education, welfare and justice? And when asked, no one can answer.

Hence, the suspicion.

The evidence is the Maori Ward move at local body level. It was a rapid "under urgency” change of law that was not raised once in the election campaign. It was a policy enacted swiftly and yet never mentioned in the months of campaign lead up, why not?

The evidence is Ihumatao and a deal that not only stunk from day one, got stalled until Christmas for obvious reasons, but then in the ultimate embarrassment turned out to be unlawful. But that was dismissed by the government, red faced, as a technicality.

The issue, apart from anything else, is what's worse? The policy itself, the idea that we run this country along lines of race, or the fact the government clearly aren't being open, honest, and transparent about what's really on the planning whiteboard?

The document was held up for an age and heavily redacted and the Prime Minister was arguing she was worried about how it would be perceived. Treat us like adults and let us make up our own minds.

And given the control freaky approach to it and the ensuing fall out, how did that go for you then?

The debate in the house Tuesday is worth a watch. Ardern was rattled and flustered. She gets that way when things aren't going well. She's visually not hard to read, and they most certainly are not going well on this.

David Seymour got to this first and deserves credit. Judith Collins saw it for what it was and is now in a lot stronger position as of today than she might have thought she was last week.

The initial round of race baiting, dismiss and disown that got rolled out from the usual Labour apologists didn’t work. They hoped in a woke world calling her racist might shame her.

But that’s what good opposition is about though, know when you're onto something and run with it.

National has run with it and they're right. Middle New Zealand, I think, is on to this and this is far from over. 

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dont worry about the Chinese bombing Australia sheep shearers, the reason you havent seen or heard much of Zelda Kratchanova lately isnt because her posts get censored its because , beelieve it or not she has been working on a secret , up until now , project for the Australian Defence Dept.

i know thats a bit hard to beelieve but her and Boris have invented and patented a robot bee, its remote controlled and delivers a fatal sting, apparently two hundred million of these are loaded and ready to attack Beejing  , Guanghzhou and ....... Wuhan 🤪 .......if XI Ping Pong even remotely looks like attacking anyone

and......theyre made in Taiwan 😜

and most importanty theyre Mortein resistant too .

 

 

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...Ready to RAID Beijing 🙄😁

They could just genetically modify insects and release into populations without anyone’s knowledge.... Forget the Weather,the  biggest threat to Our World is happening in Science labs, and governments are pouring tax payer money into these joints while people are homeless and suffering . 
 

750 million genetically engineered mosquitoes approved for...

www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/health/gmo-mosquitoes-approved...

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1 hour ago, Uriah Heap said:

You can call it what you want. Let the Nets say it's a broken promise.

A Capital Gains Tax was needed and it appears we now have one. Good job!

What happens when the people find out the NZ election was rigged just like they are finding that out in the US. https://azaudit.org/

The farmers voted for Labour....haha yeah right.

The podium of truth has turned out to be the podium of propaganda and lies.

The people are fighting back

 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, 100 1 said:

What happens when the people find out the NZ election was rigged just like they are finding that out in the US. https://azaudit.org/

The farmers voted for Labour....haha yeah right.

The podium of truth has turned out to be the podium of propaganda and lies.

The people are fighting back

 

 

 

 

Jack Nicholson; "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH". 

And you can't, can you Hundy. You just cannot believe that not everybody shares your political views. Can you?

It was obvious to anyone with an ounce of credibility in the "brain of neutral thinking" department that the last NZ election was going to be swept by Labour, no "rigging" required. National was offering next to nothing as the main opposition (surrounded by in-fighting), nobody wanted NZ First back, nobody wanted a formal coalition between Labour and the Greens, and despite what loyal followers thought, nobody wanted anything to do with Billy TK and his mob either. Now I didn't vote for Labour, however I did expect my vote to have no overall effect. Labour was always going to piss in, and they did. I do not agree with some of the things that Labour is now doing, however I do believe in democracy and really do not like fringe-nutter politics at all, from either the left or the right. 

And while I'm at it, the US election result was no surprise to the casual observer without an imaginary immovable foot stomped down on on one side or the other either. You are so tied up in your own little world that you don't, even for a second, consider the majority of the world do not actually agree with you, despite what your head it telling you. Stop listening to your head, see your doctor and get him to prescribe you a dose of reality, and try rejoining the real world. The fantasy world you currently inhabit has begun to crumble around you, and of all people YOU definitely can't afford any more head knocks. 

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7 minutes ago, Idolmite said:

Jack Nicholson; "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH". 

And you can't, can you Hundy. You just cannot believe that not everybody shares your political views. Can you?

It was obvious to anyone with an ounce of credibility in the "brain of neutral thinking" department that the last NZ election was going to be swept by Labour, no "rigging" required. National was offering next to nothing as the main opposition (surrounded by in-fighting), nobody wanted NZ First back, nobody wanted a formal coalition between Labour and the Greens, and despite what loyal followers thought, nobody wanted anything to do with Billy TK and his mob either. Now I didn't vote for Labour, however I did expect my vote to have no overall effect. Labour was always going to piss in, and they did. I do not agree with some of the things that Labour is now doing, however I do believe in democracy and really do not like fringe-nutter politics at all, from either the left or the right. 

And while I'm at it, the US election result was no surprise to the casual observer without an imaginary immovable foot stomped down on on one side or the other either. You are so tied up in your own little world that you don't, even for a second, consider the majority of the world do not actually agree with you, despite what your head it telling you. Stop listening to your head, see your doctor and get him to prescribe you a dose of reality, and try rejoining the real world. The fantasy world you currently inhabit has begun to crumble around you, and of all people YOU definitely can't afford any more head knocks. 

Ha Deluded

So there is no lawsuits?

There is no forensic audit?

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Mike's Minute: Who does Labour really represent?

Surely even Grant Robertson and Jacinda Ardern can see that emergency meetings with unions who are ropeable with you, isn't really how you should be spending your day?

The unions are Labour and Labour are the unions.

Andrew Little got to be Leader ahead of Robertson because he got the union vote, the biggest donors to the party are the unions.

And yet, for reasons they still haven't been able to explain that make any sense, it's all turned to crap.

It's a pay freeze, then it's not a pay freeze. Our economy is doing better than expected, except for the bit about money. We don’t have any, so you can't have a pay rise.

Does anyone in the government step back periodically and see just how nonsensical half the stuff they say is?

Chris Hipkins gave the game away a little, I think, yesterday on the show when he conceded what it's really all about is boosting lower wages up.

But even that makes no sense because once you’ve boosted the lower wages up, the people who were earning better money, presumably through skill, talent, or experience realise that they're getting screwed and want a pay rise.

This, of course, is the great weakness of unionism. Most pay rises are not productivity based; they are threat based. Pay us or we are out.

Here is the big picture problem for Labour; who is it they represent?

He Puapua must have freaked at least some of their support base out. There is nothing remotely mainstream about separate health authorities, enforced colonisation learning in schools, Maori studies in law school, or cancelling referenda on Maori wards.

And there is nothing remotely traditional about a Labour government stiffing the union movement. There is nothing remotely centrist about upping the top tax rate or crapping all over mum and dad investors with brightline test and deductibility changes.

So just who is it they're appealing to? Do you have the same trouble British Labour now has? There isn't a working-class Kiwi who would touch them. It's the party of socialist ideologues who hang out at universities, NGOs, and pressure groups.

This smacks of whack-a-mole government. No vision, no big picture, no strategy, just a trail of bewildered, disowned, and disenfranchised supporters who no longer know who they're dealing with.

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19 minutes ago, 100 1 said:

Ha Deluded

So there is no lawsuits?

There is no forensic audit?

 

The forensic audit is a joke. So funny it even featured on the Stephen Colbert show. You'll see..........

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16 minutes ago, Idolmite said:

 

The forensic audit is a joke. So funny it even featured on the Stephen Colbert show. You'll see..........

 

Ha another leftie too scared to get a forensic audit because he knows they cheated

Trump caught them all

Biggest sting in history.

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17 minutes ago, 100 1 said:

 

Ha another leftie too scared to get a forensic audit because he knows they cheated

Trump caught them all

Biggest sting in history.


You're a fucking dickhead very obviously (sadly for both you AND us) suffering seriously with reading, learning, understanding and comprehension disorders.....as I have written before, including TODAY, I did not vote left at the last NZ election, and I have never voted left in my life.

You obviously love America. It's a shame for us that you can't be there, without internet access to New Zealand.   

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