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13 hours ago, crustyngrizzly said:

Collins may have  won the debate but it won't translate into votes on the day.

Cindy has people bewitched with her COVID response but if you actually analyse her parties performance  and what they have delivered it's poor.

It will translate into votes National supporters just need a little inspiration Judith just provided that . 

Here's another reason to get rid of this collection of incompetents , TAX  if cindy is reliant on the greens all promises can and will be broken ,  ( winston , its a coalition you don't always get what you want ) this excuse will be used by cindy . This lot only know one way to generate money TAX 

Greens say wealth tax non negotiable bottom line

Greens MP Julie Anne Genter today told a Newstalk ZB small business panel discussion the tax policy was a “bottom line” condition that must be met for her party to join into a second Coalition government with Labour.

This means if Labour needs Greens to govern, then there will be a tax on your KiwiSaver funds, your houses etc.

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I didn't watch the debate. Why would I - they're tedious.

My gripe is with people like Tripple Alliance, who clearly have a preconceived "pro National" bias, coming on here and announcing Judith Collins the winner.

Ms Collins could have walked on, done a dump on the floor, and walked straight off without saying a word and TA would have still had her the winner.

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4 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

I didn't watch the debate. Why would I - they're tedious.

My gripe is with people like Tripple Alliance, who clearly have a preconceived "pro National" bias, coming on here and announcing Judith Collins the winner.

Ms Collins could have walked on, done a dump on the floor, and walked straight off without saying a word and TA would have still had her the winner.

Gold , really hedley that's well overdone , yes  I will vote Nat but not many years ago I voted L .

The result of the first debate and the opinion of the majority was Judith WON EASILY  that's not just my opinion . I was expecting cindy to just smile  be kind and win and I'm sure that's what she was expecting but it seems when it comes to detail and policy she is bereft knowledge and ideas . 

Covid is the only reason she is up in the polls , it's certainly not because she has improved peoples lives , in fact the opposite has happened .

The 2nd debate will be crucial for both , another performance like that from cindy and the rot will well and truly set in , she will be under enormous  pressure  , let's see what happens .

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By
 Martyn Bradbury
 -

September 24, 2020,  EXTRACTS 

Sigh – Jacinda wades into free speech debate – this will end badly

ACT leader David Seymour fears for freedom of expression after Jacinda Ardern confirmed plans to beef up hate speech laws if Labour is re-elected to power. 

Ardern was asked at the site about progress on updated hate speech laws, after the Government fast-tracked a review of hate speech legislation in the wake of the terror attack, which was fuelled by anti-Muslim sentiment.  Ardern said she couldn’t understand why there would be resistance from other political parties.     “I don’t see why there should be, and so that’s probably a question for every political party, but that’s certainly our view and that’s the view that I’m putting forward.”

 

The Left should champion free speech – not repress and deplatform it!

Jacinda feels that no one would have a problem with expanding hate speech laws to include religion – really?

I love mocking religion, if you believe in a magical invisible flying wizard, I get to mock that because it’s fucking stupid!!!

Would I breach the hate speech laws for mocking someone who believes in a magical invisible flying wizard?

Would Monty Python’s Life of Brian be banned?

Why can’t I hate religion? Why can’t I see it as a terribly regressive form of control over other people?

Can I criticise the fanatics at Gloriavale or is that going to be illegal?

 

A good read , MORE STUPIDTY FROM comrade cindy 

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This will help you Uriah seeing you didn't see it:

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Reflections on the First Leaders’ Debate

The Empress Without Clothes

By
Edward Persimmon
 
A great many urban leftists are wealthy and vote for socialist parties as a kind of penitence. One such leftist took a brief pause recently from the administration of her family-owned businesses and trust accounts to ask what would have to happen for me to vote Labour. Pondering this, I imagined, short of having the better part of my brain surgically removed, there is nothing which would prompt me to vote that way.
 
 

I have always found Jacinda Ardern’s persona to be strangely repelling. Tuesday night’s leaders’ debate did nothing to alter my impression of being talked down to by a snotty intermediate school prefect, aged about twelve-and-a-half, who wants us to know that she both is captain of the hockey team and has her own pony.

The most important point, therefore, conveyed with great success by Judith Collins, is that she herself is a middle New Zealander. This may seem an obvious, unnecessary or even strange observation to make, but it highlights, significantly, the chasm in both style and substance which has opened up between the two leaders.

Not only was Collins empathetic to the pre-recorded debate questioners, her New Zealand ‘story’ placed her close to them. She displayed a practical familiarity with the work of the Auckland City Missioner. Mentioning that her husband is Samoan, she was able to speak ‘with’ and not ‘to’ the South Auckland school girl with family concerns. And finally, as the daughter of Matamata dairy farmers herself, Collins obviously knew about farming and engaged the farmer directly.

Conversely, and aside from her mangled accent – which she could have picked up at the burger joint of Auckland Airport’s travellers’ lounge – nothing that Ardern said or did during the exchange indicated that she has even visited New Zealand, let alone that she has an interest in the place.

Ardern ran through her usual set pieces, which always include the words ‘I hope’ or ‘I empathise’ precisely because she doesn’t. She deployed the ‘smiley face’, but then, increasingly, the ‘scowly face’ as the exchange wore on. And always the ‘scowly face’ when questioned, as if questioning her were an impertinence.

Where has Ardern been for the last three years? She displayed only the most superficial grasp of government policy and was clearly in not possession of facts or numbers. Labour policy is still being presented, after a term in office, as the sweaty workshop musings of a youth summer camp.

Ardern comes from a family of civil servants and has obviously never been near small business, let alone blue-collar workers, who are probably forced to use the servants’ entrance at her and Clarke’s place. Assuming the attitude of a television celebrity with minor celebrity boyfriend in tow, Ardern appeared unprepared for the rigors of debate and was visibly unimpressed when things didn’t go exactly her way. Anything off script aroused huge visible discomfort. One imagines her being similarly socially uncomfortable when not breathing the rarefied air of the Ponsonby social circuit.

Ponsonby, where the elect quaff Châteauneuf-du-Pape and get up to all manner of great japes is clearly Ardern’s environnement natif approprié.

“I don’t need your tax cut!” she snapped at Collins, responding as if Collins had just condescended to pay this wealthy Marxist’s bus fare. And she didn’t offer to give it back either when Collins prompted, the deduction being that she would trouser it, believing that she deserves every penny she earns.

Collins’s well-timed interruptions, one-liners, and grasp of simple facts prompted Ardern to sneer repeatedly during questioning – the sneer being a much closer expression of her true character than the make-believe happy/serious expressions she learned from her drama coach.

Ardern attempted to open the debate by employing Angela Merkel’s static hand gestures, but as she came under pressure these soon gave way to wild gesticulation. At one point she seemed ready to wrestle John Campbell with her hands, perhaps hoping to silence him by (metaphorically, of course) sitting on him. This is one socialist lady who does not like to be questioned, however sympathetically. It is fortunate for her that she has managed to sail through much of this year unscrutinised, by evoking mass national hysteria.

Last time around, voters were sold lies (otherwise known as ‘aspirations’) about transport and public housing, from which very little has materialised. This year’s policy offering appears to have been developed on the hoof at a Davos love-in attended by Justin Trudeau. Labour, we were told, will rapidly convert the national grid to 100 per cent renewable energy using “pumped hydro” – a term unfamiliar to many.

The reason for the lack of public interest is, perhaps, that we are entering a recession, and upmost in most constituents’ minds are issues like employment and the cost of living. For those residing outside the Herne Bay dinner circuit, “pumped hydro” doesn’t even exist. In reality, the commitment to 100 per cent renewable energy will make achieving high-speed rail to Hamilton look like a piece of cake. The entire policy appears to have been pulled off the internet.

With her towering Marie Antoinette complex on full display, the Ardern really did appear to believe that she can bamboozle the gullible with the ‘internationalist’ bons mots of the latest climate change conference, while expecting them to be too stupid to realise that they will have to pay for them.

Collins front-footed most of this, but she really needs to press the point further. Almost all of the debate questions were framed in terms of the established leftist orthodoxy. The political right should not feel it has to apologise for negating the climate agenda, or for introducing measures to reduce welfare dependency.

It is not only beneficiaries, but New Zealand’s ‘stretched middle’ which is struggling. A great deal was made of the minimum wage, which is approaching $20 an hour, but nobody pointed out that the median wage is itself only approaching $30. ‘Good’ incomes chime in at $40-70 per hour, and Ardern’s ‘very high’ $180,000 per annum earners, whom she plans to tax more, are really only on around $100 an hour gross.

Rather than suffering from ‘disparity’, Kiwi incomes are remarkably, if not ridiculously, egalitarian. Despite the reforms of the 1980s, our wage range is not in the least expansive, and remains determinedly ossified – at least in mindset. Kiwi companies are not incentivised towards performance-based pay, and on top of this both corporations and the workforce are heavily taxed. Unlike in certain overseas jurisdictions, families here often can’t get ahead, despite both parents working.

People find it difficult to understand why we need to subsidise children’s meals when, by working hard, most manage to feed their own children. And they find it incongruous that a part-time youth worker must now be paid not much less than full-time employees who have served for many years, are qualified, and possess expertise.

Collins needs to capitalise on this, and also the fact that many landlords, who are being forced to renovate their rental properties to the new ‘healthy homes’ standard, live in properties which would fail the same standard.

Ardern, who is no economist, has perhaps taken Milton Friedman’s ‘helicopter money’ concept too literally, seeking to actually throw money out of a helicopter at people she has never met, doesn’t want to meet, doesn’t understand, and probably doesn’t even like. She only needs them to vote for her.

Collins referred throughout the debate to “Miss Ardern”, an appropriate epithet for someone whose patronising soliloquies came across as those of a petulant bourgeois child impatiently explaining luncheon etiquette to the gardener. Could somebody remind me again, please: who made her the leader of our country?

 
 

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4 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:
By
 Martyn Bradbury
 -

September 24, 2020,  EXTRACTS 

Sigh – Jacinda wades into free speech debate – this will end badly

ACT leader David Seymour fears for freedom of expression after Jacinda Ardern confirmed plans to beef up hate speech laws if Labour is re-elected to power. 

Ardern was asked at the site about progress on updated hate speech laws, after the Government fast-tracked a review of hate speech legislation in the wake of the terror attack, which was fuelled by anti-Muslim sentiment.  Ardern said she couldn’t understand why there would be resistance from other political parties.     “I don’t see why there should be, and so that’s probably a question for every political party, but that’s certainly our view and that’s the view that I’m putting forward.”

 

The Left should champion free speech – not repress and deplatform it!

Jacinda feels that no one would have a problem with expanding hate speech laws to include religion – really?

I love mocking religion, if you believe in a magical invisible flying wizard, I get to mock that because it’s fucking stupid!!!

Would I breach the hate speech laws for mocking someone who believes in a magical invisible flying wizard?

Would Monty Python’s Life of Brian be banned?

Why can’t I hate religion? Why can’t I see it as a terribly regressive form of control over other people?

Can I criticise the fanatics at Gloriavale or is that going to be illegal?

 

A good read , MORE STUPIDTY FROM comrade cindy 

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern has promised a crackdown on hate speech if two things happen: one, if she's re-elected Prime Minister and two, if she can avoid governing with New Zealand First.

Taking the opportunity to push for change, the Imam Gamal Fouda expressed how he wanted to prevent another attack. "Freedom of speech becomes hate speech," he said at the unveiling. "Hate turns into hate crime as we have seen at the 15th of March."

If it gets a chance (jacinda) to broaden our hate speech laws, Labour wouldn't stop with just religion. Ardern said "yeah", when Newshub asked if sexual orientation, age or disability could be included and I  suspect global warming sceptics will be banned as well .

 

A clamp down on hate speech definitely wouldn't go ahead under National and ACT.

"I believe ultimately in freedom of speech with certain limitations that we've all accepted," said National leader Judith Collins.

"The last thing New Zealand needs is a Government department deciding what you can and can't say," said ACT leader David Seymour.

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rdytdy - Your man Mr Persimmon begins, "I have always found Jacinda Ardern's persona to be strangely repelling"

So why post the rest of what he has to say? Just like Tripple A, Mr Persimmon watches the debate and finds exactly what he is looking for.

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Another one of Comrade cindys hopeless decisions , M Bovis , only 2 country's in the world don't have it but we must eradicate it . 

A total of 158,150 animals have been culled and $174.6m  had been paid as compensation to farmers to date that $174 m doesn't include MPI operational costs so who knows what this will end up costing or even if eradication will succeed . 

Budget 2020 includes almost $500 million for the primary sector, the largest chunk of which is dedicated to eliminating Mycoplasma bovis,  

The highlight of the package is $193.5 million for  !! finishing off the eradication of Mycoplasma bovis within New Zealand !! . The bacterial disease is found in cattle all around the world and first arrived in New Zealand in July 2017. In 2018, the Government committed to completely eradicating the disease, which doesn’t pose a food safety risk .!!

Arrived in 2017 ,???  many believe it's been here for years but cow values were lower so it wasn't an issue .,.

This will cost around $500 million the cost of around 1200 new houses and it's highly unlikely it will benefit anyone . 

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Another absolute cindy shocker Pike River .

Early estimates in 2017 put the price at $23 million. That has now doubled to $47m, with another $4m set aside as a contingency.

COMPLETION DATE ,.

The increase was approved by Cabinet today, along with a completion date of July or August this year. HAS IT FINISHED YET ? 

The government had originally said it would assess what was involved in moving into the mine's main workings, once it had recovered the entry tunnel.

However the Pike River Recovery Minister, Andrew Little, now said this would not be happening, and work would now finish once crews reach the rockfall just before the main workings. 

SO A F/ING HUGE HOLE TO NOWHERE . $50mill PLUS which will be $100 mill that's another 240 NEW HOMES  that could have been built for live people .

 

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Every State Leader in Australia is enjoying a high voter satisfaction rating in the Polls, with regards to their handling of the COVID-19 responses of each. Even the “Memory loss” Premier of Victoria, Chairman Dan Andrews. However, when it comes to the polls regarding an election, it’s a totally different story. Voters are looking beyond COVID-19. At the moment, the Qld Premier is looking at losing up to 20 seats. Already, she’s got some of her best performing Ministers not even contesting the October election. In Victoria, Chairman Dan may not even run. He’s poison. He “might” be saved by the migrant community, but with about 90% of deaths from Australia’s total C-19 death total and an economy in Victoria rooted, he’s on shaky ground. If The Nationals and Judith Collins can show that “they deserve a chance” just to get NZ out of the Ardern quicksand, then with Act performing well, Ardern could be deservedly in big trouble. But voters are funny. It’s the “What’s in it for me?” Syndrome rather than what’s good for the country that usually determines the election result. I wouldn’t be too convinced of “any” poll. The pubs are a good place to get an idea of the mood. 

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And no more talk of reducing crims in jail.  Mind you that was pure fantasy on his part. Meanwhile Pillars run adverts seeking your hard earnings for crims kids inside, am sure you have all supported this activity.🙄

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Show a little kindness , this is what happens when a government has no Idea how to actually generate money , borrow and give away isn't going to last and the direction of much the giveaway  is politically motivated .

Youth cancer unit at new Christchurch hospital won't open due to 'financial constraints . A teenage cancer survivor says a decision not to fund a dedicated unit for youth is “gut-wrenching” and shows the health care of young people is not valued .

An adolescents and young adults (AYA) unit for people aged 12-25 years-old will sit empty when the new Christchurch Hospital Hagley building opens later this year due to "financial constraints”, Canterbury District Health Board acting chief executive Peter Bramley said. Paediatric oncologist Tristan Pettit said research showed treating people aged 15-24 in age-appropriate environments was significant for patient experience and survival rates.

JUST THE BEGUINNING , how's the $70 million for racing going and the very long list of other GIVEAWAYS , remind me how many BILLIONS has been given away and was it $260million for rugby .

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Here's your corrupt MSM  banning Advance NZ party from debates

Ha.... the only party speaking truth is shunned.

Tells you everything you need to know who controls NZ.

Advance NZ is the only party asking the hard questions on Covid, fighting for NZ soveriegnty and standing against Agenda 21 and 30

Each discussion takes place in a different part of the country with a diverse and representative audience. Community, hapū and iwi contribute to the questions to ensure a wide range of kaupapa are covered.

National, Labour, ACT, NZ First, Māori Party, TOP and the Greens all participate. Advance NZ have been rejected due to a media-wide commitment to de-platforming peddlers of disinformation. That’s something we felt was important to ensure a healthy democracy too.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-09-2020/the-first-leaders-debate-was-so-awful-because-the-old-format-no-longer-works/

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On 9/28/2020 at 8:00 AM, tripple alliance said:

Show a little kindness , this is what happens when a government has no Idea how to actually generate money , borrow and give away isn't going to last and the direction of much the giveaway  is politically motivated .

Youth cancer unit at new Christchurch hospital won't open due to 'financial constraints . A teenage cancer survivor says a decision not to fund a dedicated unit for youth is “gut-wrenching” and shows the health care of young people is not valued .

An adolescents and young adults (AYA) unit for people aged 12-25 years-old will sit empty when the new Christchurch Hospital Hagley building opens later this year due to "financial constraints”, Canterbury District Health Board acting chief executive Peter Bramley said. Paediatric oncologist Tristan Pettit said research showed treating people aged 15-24 in age-appropriate environments was significant for patient experience and survival rates.

JUST THE BEGUINNING , how's the $70 million for racing going and the very long list of other GIVEAWAYS , remind me how many BILLIONS has been given away and was it $260million for rugby .

" We have squandered our resistance for a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises

All lies and jest

'til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....."

(Maybe a little out of context but nonetheless profound words from Paul Simon (The Boxer).

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On 9/28/2020 at 8:00 AM, tripple alliance said:

Show a little kindness , this is what happens when a government has no Idea how to actually generate money , borrow and give away isn't going to last and the direction of much the giveaway  is politically motivated .

Youth cancer unit at new Christchurch hospital won't open due to 'financial constraints . A teenage cancer survivor says a decision not to fund a dedicated unit for youth is “gut-wrenching” and shows the health care of young people is not valued .

An adolescents and young adults (AYA) unit for people aged 12-25 years-old will sit empty when the new Christchurch Hospital Hagley building opens later this year due to "financial constraints”, Canterbury District Health Board acting chief executive Peter Bramley said. Paediatric oncologist Tristan Pettit said research showed treating people aged 15-24 in age-appropriate environments was significant for patient experience and survival rates.

JUST THE BEGUINNING , how's the $70 million for racing going and the very long list of other GIVEAWAYS , remind me how many BILLIONS has been given away and was it $260million for rugby .

Was it "$260 million for rugby," Tripple A? Or are you referring to the $265 million support package to all sports in NZ, announced in May this year to support sport affected by the Covid crisis?

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Just now, Blue said:

" We have squandered our resistance for a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises

All lies and jest

'til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....."

(Maybe a little out of context but nonetheless profound words from Paul Simon (The Boxer).

Is this a small dig at 100 1? It's certainly appropriate for him.

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1 hour ago, Blue said:

" We have squandered our resistance for a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises

All lies and jest

'til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....."

(Maybe a little out of context but nonetheless profound words from Paul Simon (The Boxer).

I am just a poor boy though my story's seldom told . 

Well we will all be poor boys if we get comrade cindy and the greens , TAX TAX TAX , the greens give cindy the perfect  excuse to renege on tax promises .

Fuel tax up again no new mining permits ,  transport hindered , horse racing crushed with welfare extremes even a capitol gains tax will eventuate etc etc  .

The greens will be the exact opposite to the low life who deceived  to his supporters last time . Clearly there is a huge problem with MMP , the major party's are forced to capitulate to the minor party ,    the tail wages the dog .

 

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8 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

Is this a small dig at 100 1? It's certainly appropriate for him.

Just a comment to us all U H and how we are all duped by the electioneering process, the rhetoric and the promises that have no chance of being delivered.

 

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On 9/22/2020 at 8:42 PM, tripple alliance said:

OK all done a big win for Judith , even the super lefty John Campbell gave it to Judith , comrade cindy was exposed as the well meaning fairy dust person that we all know she is .

The answer I enjoyed the most from cindy , " WE ARE FEEDING 200,000 CHILDREN that's CREATING EMPLOYMENT" , really why the F are we having to feed 200,000 children , that's right she has created many more people that need feeding . What a total f/up this government is .,

Judith had a great win , cindy is under pressure .

Round Two another excellent win for Judith (all commentators comments) but comrade cindy did better than the last disaster .  The first half was about achievements what a shocker that was for cindy and it proved this is the worst performing government  we have ever had . The ultimate disgrace was tyford , cindy has him 4th in line  , if you want proof of how short of talent this lot is that's it 4th for the worst performing minister in living memory .

Dope cindy won't answer how she will vote it seems like a question she could easily answer 2 possible reasons (1) her previous history as a user and (2) she is scared of upsetting her more juvenile base whatever it is she should answer , promoting smoke free 2025 and still allowing dope smoking how logical is that .

Think about it the combination of a talentless labour being forced to do as the greens say cannot possibly be good for anyone . One things for sure Judith is shining and has cemented her position as leader of the Nats .

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11 hours ago, 100 1 said:

JC 58%   JA 42%

7205 votes

Who won the Judith Collins v Jacinda Ardern Leaders Debate?

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Jacinda Ardern
42%
 

 

Last night when I looked at it. Over 20,000 votes.

Ardern     35%

Collins     61%

Undecided  4%

Easy win to Collins.

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1 hour ago, tripple alliance said:

Round Two another excellent win for Judith (all commentators comments) but comrade cindy did better than the last disaster .  The first half was about achievements what a shocker that was for cindy and it proved this is the worst performing government  we have ever had . The ultimate disgrace was tyford , cindy has him 4th in line  , if you want proof of how short of talent this lot is that's it 4th for the worst performing minister in living memory .

Dope cindy won't answer how she will vote it seems like a question she could easily answer 2 possible reasons (1) her previous history as a user and (2) she is scared of upsetting her more juvenile base whatever it is she should answer , promoting smoke free 2025 and still allowing dope smoking how logical is that .

Think about it the combination of a talentless labour being forced to do as the greens say cannot possibly be good for anyone . One things for sure Judith is shining and has cemented her position as leader of the Nats .

Support for Cannabis legislation dropping apparently......she is sitting on the fence seeing which way the smoke blows......🙄

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