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Blind “Trust” in Returning Kiwis Displayed Ardern’s Poor Judgement

By Wendy Geus

 

Blind ‘Trust’ in returning kiwis carrying the virus, caused the problem. Now Ardern struggles to trust her team of five million to move to level 2.              

“It required a high level of trust” was how, back in March, Bloomfield (and the PM) explained why thousands of returning Kiwis were allowed to waltz back into the country, many unchecked and most untested, unknowingly bringing the coronavirus with them. They avoided quarantine because there wasn’t one, even after full border closure, for almost 3 weeks.

 

This bothered me, given what a smart guy Bloomfield obviously is, that he would condone such an action.

It turns out that we now know Bloomfield was just parroting Ardern’s orders. Back in February, he had advised the government that we should close and quarantine the borders and ban all returning kiwis. I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting! (Winston, helpfully, let the cat out of the bag). 

So we have just Ardern to blame for NOT “going hard and going early”. Don’t blame Ashley.

At a time when it is never more important for the government to have “a high level of trust” in their team of five million, the PM struggles. Being the boss of us in incarceration is intoxicating for her and she is clinging to her power.

You just have to watch her at her briefings, playing secret squirrel with information. It’s like pulling teeth and she is loving every moment. The PM is still playing games with thousands of people’s lives as daily our economy goes down the tube. 

devastation.jpg?resize=630%2C630&ssl=1 The BFD. Cartoon credit SonovaMin

Her slowness to “go early and go hard” had National (and others) harping on about quarantining, and Bridges’ successful 24 hour 55,000 signature quarantine petition didn’t help, along with an (admittedly unscientific) AM Show poll that had 99% of people favouring quarantining.

It just made the vacuous PM dig her toes in defiantly. When common sense tells you it is a good idea, you change tack. She does the opposite, shooting herself in the foot, then declares victory when she is dragged kicking and screaming (from her cancelled Christchurch massacre commemoration) to completely close the borders on 19 March and much later, on the 7th of April, to quarantine.  

Then she spins the line she invented the idea, with her propaganda machine repeating it a thousand times in case anyone missed it.

Her lack of discretion and judgement are obvious. As we head towards level 2 she continues to create fear and place the onus on New Zealand citizens, who are not spreading the virus anymore, rather than celebrate our enviable position, publicly put the responsibility on the Ministry of Health — who are finally up to speed — and let them do their job.

She is loath to take a leap of faith as that requires risk, and she lacks faith in long-suffering New Zealanders to do the right thing. 

Infectious Diseases Physician Ayesha Verrall, who has been very critical, recently was very positive about our testing and tracing status quo. That will give Ardern the impetus to return to doom and gloom merchant epidemiologist Michael Baker to confirm her worst fears. He wants us to all to wear masks. Phew, Bloomfield has not succumbed to that idea, yet. And I predict he won’t.

That same “high level of trust” she so willingly gave to returning kiwis bringing the virus into New Zealand, Ardern now needs to rightfully transfer to her team of 5 million when going into level 2. However, our perfectionist is not going to relinquish her control without a fight for a perfect COVID outcome.

Let’s be clear, Jacinda did not go hard and early. That is a fallacy which her propaganda machine keeps churning out for eager left-wing media to consume, blind to the facts.

All the signs are that she does not trust us, as she did so easily with her misguided “captain’s call” which by default brought the virus into New Zealand. 

As Sean Plunket said very eloquently on his Working Group, “Now is time for the government to give the people back their lives, their freedoms, their discretion”. 

 

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Covid 19 coronavirus: The gagging order from Jacinda Ardern's office - cynical, arrogant and unnecessary

By Derek Cheng

 

Want to know how the PM felt about the idea of making the lockdown even tougher on the back of surveys indicating public support for such measures?

Or why the Finance Minister lost the battle to open the wage subsidy to all businesses, not just those crippled by Covid-19?

Or what the Health Minister thought about the woeful contact-tracing capacity of 10 active cases at a time, in mid-March, when there were already 13 cases in New Zealand?

Too bad.

A gagging order was placed on all ministers yesterday, just before the Government dumped thousands of pages of official Cabinet papers, minutes and advice on its Covid-19 response up until April 17.

FULL DOCUMENT DUMP COVERAGE:
'At a tipping point': Why New Zealand had to go into lockdown
Lockdown 'most significant impact on human rights in living memory'
Document dump: Warning uni students were moving to dole
Government rejected advice to keep booze shops open during lockdown
Wage subsidy test scrapped despite warnings financially-stable firms would take money
Document dump shows officials shot down GST plan to help businesses
Fears over children viewing pornography as traffic to adult sites soars in lockdown
How Govt was 'flying blind' over if Covid-19 patients were isolating
200,000 Kiwis in Australia with no social security support
Papers show scramble to get laptops, modems to disadvantaged students
Over 11,000 Kiwis in 'high and moderate-risk' countries
Urgent income support changes in Govt info dump

An embarrassing email from the Prime Minister's office, obtained by the Herald, directed ministers' press secretaries to issue only "brief written statements" in response to all media queries.

"Do not put Minister up for any interviews on this," the email said.

"There's no real need to defend because the public have confidence in what has been achieved and what the Govt is doing. Instead we can dismiss."

The PM's office also wanted to see and sign off all written responses.

This all seems like madness, but there is a method.

Controlling the message is critical, especially at a time of crisis, and the PM's office has clearly tried to continue its tight control over the Government messaging.

The release itself is a mammoth effort when public servants who normally process Official Information Act requests have themselves been working under extraordinary pressure.

The detail in the document drop also shows that the Government and its officials tried to base decisions in the middle of a crisis on sound advice.

But that is all undermined by the timing of the release and the gagging order accompanying it.

It is a common communications strategy to release bad news late on a Friday, when newsrooms are emptier and people are more focused on weekend plans rather than the news.

(Official documents about Czech drug smuggler Karel Sroubek, for example, were dumped in the afternoon of the last Friday before the Christmas break in 2018.)

The PMO's email says the release of the documents was delayed by "some late items", but that still doesn't change the fact they dropped immediately after the last Government press conference before alert level D-Day on Monday.

With the gagging order, there is virtually no chance to ask a minister about anything in the documents for three days, and by the time Jacinda Ardern fronts on Monday afternoon, the nation will be firmly focused on whether we are moving to alert level 2.

And it's not just the cynical timing. The "no real need to defend ... we can dismiss" reeks of arrogance - the subtext is "we are above scrutiny" - and blatantly flouts Ardern's cultivated reputation for openness and transparency.

It may have been intended as a guide to dealing with journalists, but in a crisis the role of the media as a proxy for the public is amplified and this is a slap in the face for both - a disregard for the fourth estate as well as the public interest.

It also undermines the access provided in the almost-daily press conferences that have taken place during alert levels 3 and 4.

There is a wealth of fascinating information in the documents that provides a glimpse of the scale and unprecedented nature of the response, as ministers grappled with whether to leave liquor stores open during lockdown, how to deal with a spike in online pornography, and how to pay the costs - estimated at $14 million - to get Kiwis stranded overseas home.

Then there is the economic upheaval and the debate about having employers on the wage subsidy cover 60 or 80 per cent of workers' wages, or whether businesses should get a GST holiday.

The documents also shed light on the frightfully low contact-tracing capacity in mid-March, the empty homes where people were meant to be self-isolating (in two out of 50 police checks), and the limited means beyond hopes and prayers to ensure essential workers were being protected at work or Covid-carrying people weren't leaving their homes.

All this actually underlines what Ardern has been saying - that New Zealand's success comes as the Government made bold decisions in an unpredictable moving feast, that expecting perfection is unreasonable, and that the Government's work would have amounted to little without the backing of Team Five Million.

Even if the information drop could not have happened before yesterday afternoon, ministers should be able to front.

Not all ministers are created equal, and the PM's office may have been nervous about a minister answering in a way that could embarrass the Government.

But there is a chance of that happening every time a minister opens their mouth, which they do all the time, and not just during Question Time. Press gallery journalists can and do grab ministers and MPs for interviews on their way in or out of the House, or while walking to weekly caucus meetings.

The shackles should be discarded and ministers should be open to scrutiny. If they can't be trusted to answer questions about their portfolios, they shouldn't be ministers.

 

 

 

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Firstly I must thank the person who started this thread (a Jacinda sycophant no less) who got the DCM from here. Messy or Musty or something like that from memory. This thread clearly shows a timeline of the failings and F*#kups of Ardern and her Government. Anyway:

A Piece of Work

By JC

I spent a considerable amount of time prior to writing this article searching for suitable words to describe the Prime Minister. A “piece of work” seemed the most applicable. The definition of a piece of work is a very unkind or unpleasant person, but like many bullies, not without charm. I think we have all seen a lot of that since she was given the job.

From the outset, Jacinda was never up to the task. Her persona reflects this, as depending on the situation you get either get the charm or the unpleasantness. There are many examples but an obvious one is Christchurch last year. Her empathy and charm were very much in evidence. She exuded kindness, something she often talks about, slobbering over everyone like a St Bernard.

 

1559806593583.jpg?resize=630%2C355&ssl=1 The BFD

Fast forward to COVID-19 and we get the unkind and unpleasant Jacinda. People are not allowed to see their dying loved ones. We are all effectively locked up. She gives herself, and the Police, what may yet turn out to be illegal powers. Instead of passing appropriate laws, Parliament went into recess and she took centre stage.

Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, she has used scare tactics in terms of modelling numbers, sometimes adjusted, to suit her narrative. A large number of people have been frightened into thinking death was imminent if they weren’t locked up in their bubbles. Time has since shown this to be nonsense, but it was surprising how many she managed to terrify. One poll showed that the majority of the population were reluctant to return to work under level three. People seemed to believe that without Jacinda as their Saviour the future was indeed bleak.

What these people don’t realise is the future she has inflicted on them is a damn sight bleaker. Jacinda and ex WHO man Dr Bloomfield have been totally fixated on the health issues and instigated rulings with no thought to the economic consequences. There has been no balance in regard to the health issue on the one hand and the economy on the other. The entire population has been incarcerated while the small number of deaths have been seniors, mostly with underlying health issues. An economy has been largely needlessly destroyed.

Why? The answer is control, which plays a large part in the left wing agenda. This is their moment in the sun, their opportunity to take away civil liberties, to inflict economic pain to the point where we all become comrades, the proletariat, totally dependent on the Government. Jacinda has admitted this is her idea of a socialist nirvana. A frightening thought and a misuse of the word nirvana. Nothing could be further from the truth. The proof of the left game plan is obvious in America where all States keen to reopen their economies are run by the right. Those who aren’t keen are governed by the left. The Governor of California says he’s not opening up the economy completely until there’s a vaccine.

The big failure of the left is in not realising that while the capitalist style economy is not perfect it is the best there is. Capitalism to them is a dirty word and they would prefer the socialist economic doctrine, seemingly ignoring what that has done to the likes of Venezuela. Having got us into this situation Jacinda will be in no hurry to get us out of it. Not that she or her Finance Minister will have the faintest idea anyway. Their idea will be to implement policies that will get us all used to Government control and dependency.

This could well backfire spectacularly on Jacinda by September as people wake up to the effects of her socialist agenda. Most people want to work but many won’t have a job to go to. Even now there is talk of a complicated path into level two with a staged introduction. This is not being received well by the business community. Restaurant and cafe operators are not happy. They have the same overheads but will have to cut down on numbers to accommodate the stupid social distancing. Does Jacinda really believe the whole workforce is going to obey this nonsense? It’s beyond time we were treated as adults and not brought down to her level.

Bob Jones, in an article on The BFD this week said, “Mark my word. Watch the public mood change in political polling over the next few months as the public wake to the appalling mishandling of the virus issue.” In my view, he could well be right. Mike Hosking is of the same opinion. Jacinda is so fixated on using this event to further her agenda she fails to see the enormity of the damage she is doing not only to the country but very possibly herself and her party.

With any luck, she’ll be gone, but unfortunately we’ll be left to deal with the excrement she has left behind.

 

    

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On 5/9/2020 at 10:58 AM, jack said:

By Jehovah

 

Just for you Jack

A Response to David Parker’s Facebook Speech

By BFD

ttorney-General David Parker made a speech Friday last week in response to the leaked e-mail to police and the leaked Crown Law advice to the government that revealed how little legal power the police actually had to enforce the lockdown.

In it he revealed that the government have been counting on the public’s voluntary compliance, which logically suggests that what the leaks revealed is 100% correct: that the public were tricked into complying as the Police and the government did not actually have the law behind them to enable them to coercively force compliance except in very specific and serious individual circumstances

 

[…] but ultimately rely mainly on voluntary compliance and trust in the Police powers to enforce significant breaches 

[…] voluntary compliance with what needs to be done has always been key.

[…] we expect the vast majority of New Zealanders will continue to comply voluntarily

His language also inadvertently revealed that what was required could have been achieved without a lockdown.

the health advice was clear. If we wanted to avoid the awful loss of life we saw unfolding overseas, and to prevent our health system being overwhelmed, we should wash our hands, practice good hygiene but most of all we had to keep physically distant from one another.

He also covers the government’s backside by admitting that:

“The Director-General (and a Director of Public Health) then decided to make a series of orders under s70, in light of the health information and risks known at the time.”

This suggests that in the cold light of day, and now with the benefit of hindsight, the government have finally realised that a countrywide lockdown was not the right choice for New Zealand.

He used a number of methods to avoid addressing the details revealed by the two leaks and to justify his and the government’s actions.

His first method was to completely ignore the content of the leaked e-mail and the leaked Crown Law advice. He did not address a single aspect of their content.

His second method was to make statements without providing any evidence to prove that they were factual. He doesn’t, for example, quote the language from the relevant sections in the Act that give the powers of enforcement he is claiming or the Crown law advice he is referring to. He does, however, mention a recent court case where a judge ruled that the term “persons” is broad enough to cover the entire population of New Zealand.

Let me say it again, as I have previously, that on the advice we have received from Crown Law there is no gap in the legality of the powers of enforcement under levels 3 and 4.

[…] I am satisfied the Director-General’s orders were lawfully made.  Further, there has always been a lawful basis for enforcement action by Police, under both the Health Act and the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act 2002.

[…] There has been some debate as to whether the Director-General could legitimately isolate or quarantine the entire nation under s 70(1)(f) of the Health Act. I consider that subsection is apt to cover a direction to all New Zealanders for isolation and quarantine, with exceptions as mentioned and is not limited to use only in relation to specified individuals. The provision is that persons can be isolated or quarantined (with no statutory pre-condition that they may have or carry the disease)

[…] The interpretation and approach taken by the Director-General has of course recently been confirmed by Justice Peters in the habeas judgements A & B v Ardern & Ors, where Her Honour accepted that the orders which may be made under s 70(1) are very broad and that the reference to “persons” in s 70(1)(f) is capable of encompassing the entire population.  

His third method was to use weasel words to make his audience think that he has proved his point when in fact he hasn’t. In the example below, on the surface it appears that he has proved that Police do have the power to set up roadblocks in order to coercively enforce the lockdown guidelines. But the kicker is in the line I have put in bold. The Police can ONLY use those powers according to the law. The leaks revealed that a roadblock with the purpose of enforcing the lockdown guidelines was NOT lawful.

Police also have emergency and enforcement powers under the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act.  The use of these powers is assessed against the purpose of the declaration – that is to slow the spread and reduce the impact of COVID-19 (and thereby save lives). These include the power to enter premises, restrict public access to roads or places, and to direct and request people to stop activities or take actions to limit the extent of the emergency.  These powers too must be exercised lawfully. 

His fourth method was to avoid the real issue (which was the content of the leaks and what they revealed) by stating that the content was legally privileged and that the government had every right to hide the content from the public. He also contended that because the government are being challenged in court on the legality of the lockdown he is now constrained in what he can say.

“That privilege allows the Crown (as is the case with any client) to refuse to divulge the advice’s content

As you will know aspects of legality are currently before the Courts, so my approach today can only be a high-level one.

[…] I’m acutely conscious legality issues are before the Courts.

[

[…] this has necessarily constrained me in what I can say.  

He then undermined his claim by revealing that he has had the power to reveal the contents all along but then did not explain why he chose not to reveal the contents on this occasion when asked to.

On occasion I will proactively waive the Crown’s privilege in legal advice because there are issues which the public need to understand.

He also attempted to counter future criticism by anticipating what his critics would say and by justifying his actions by claiming that the whistleblowers (by revealing the truth) were undermining public confidence in the government’s actions.

[…] there will be some who will ask whether I am trying to influence court proceedings upcoming and may argue I should not have made these comments.

However, I would reflect on the fact that the tone of some of those attacks has the potential, and is sometimes intended, to undermine public confidence in the measures that we have all taken to stamp out Covid-19.

He argues that the draconian lockdown was a proportionate response to the scale of the threat.

Bill of Rights Act

Isolation and quarantine requirements, the general prohibition of outdoor public congregation and restricted access to premises, are all measures that limit our rights to freedom of movement, association and assembly.  To be lawful, they must be reasonable limits that are demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.  This means the measures must serve a sufficiently important objective, and be proportionate (in that they are rationally connected to the purpose, limit the rights no more than is reasonably necessary, and are in due proportion to the importance of the objective).

As I said earlier, there is no vaccine, no cure for this disease and the medical advice self-evidently based on real and recent overseas experience is that left unchecked the disease would cause the death of thousands of New Zealanders and cause serious economic harm.

The objective of the s 70 orders is legitimate […] I considered and still consider the measures imposed are a necessary and proportionate response.  Preventing the spread of the virus could not be achieved in a less liberty-restricting way, […] 

I am very mindful of the coercive controls that have been imposed under the s 70 orders but all of the orders are compliant with the Bill of Rights Act.

He then goes on to detail what enforcement powers section 71A of the Health Act provides police, but again the key rider is that they must be “exercised lawfully in each particular case.” He deliberately omits what the lawful definitions are because they will not help his argument.

Enforcement powers

Section 71A of the Health Act provides Police with various powers to assist medical officers of health:  to prevent persons from obstructing or hindering the medical officers, and/or to compel/enforce/ensure compliance with a requirement made by a medical officer of health.

Section 72 of the Health Act sets out offences relating to obstructing a medical officer of health in the exercise or performance of his or her powers or functions, and obstructing or hindering a constable acting under s 71A.  Police are empowered to arrest without warrant for these offences.

The s 70 notices set out clear expectations and behavioural requirements that all New Zealanders can understand, and there is a clear basis for Police constables to enforce these requirements under s 71A.  They must, however, be exercised lawfully in each particular case.

[…] For the duration of the state of emergency, Police also have emergency and enforcement powers under the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act. […] These include the power to enter premises, restrict public access to roads or places, and to direct and request people to stop activities or take actions to limit the extent of the emergency.  These powers too must be exercised lawfully. 

 

 

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Time for Civil Disobedience?

By John Black

When future historians describe what happened to the New Zealand economy in 2020 they will no doubt lay the blame on a certain pandemic. But that’s only half the story. It’s the panic-demic that has really done us in. The media led, government exploited fear of mass death that has led to the biggest act of financial suicide since Paul McCartney’s second marriage.

We dived when we should have dodged. 

 

A nuanced intelligent response to the Chinese Government Virus (credit where credit is due) would not have seen a blanket ban on economic activity across the country, but sensible central government guidelines enforced by local government and allowing variations. Why on earth should Gore with a population density of 10/km2 be bound by the same restrictions as Auckland Central with 12,000/km2?

Because big government is dumb government.

Similar flexibility could have been granted to business. Letting retail and hospitality operate with restrictions (masks, distancing etc. etc.) could have saved the nation millions. And yes, that would have risked a higher infection rate and inevitably cost lives, but everyday businesses being kept from opening costs livelihoods and lives. Small business people, in particular, are going to find six or seven weeks of lost income hard to make up. Many will close. Financial hardship, depression, family breakdown, ruined health, suicide. The devil’s dominoes.

Of course, if you are in the public sector or part of the metropolitan elite you will have had a whale of a time during the lockdown, learning Swahili or putting your quinoa and cranberry muffin recipes on Instagram. Well, with the greatest of contempt, screw you. Your frightened rabbit obsession with eliminating all risk in human life, aided and abetted by the government and media will mean desperation for thousands.

Ardern and crew didn’t need to look far to see how an economy could be safely stewarded through this crisis. But it seems they just didn’t want to know. As National have pointed out, the cabinet papers released last Friday show no discussion of the far lighter and state varied Australian approach which has led to a similar success in containing the virus. No lesser authority than the Wall Street Journal has compared the two countries’ approaches; no prizes for which one they condemn as having a ‘significantly higher’ economic cost. Amazingly even Simon Bridges, finally locating his testicles, has joined this criticism of government pandemic policy. 

So today we learn whether and when Level 2 begins. This may be a case of armchair courage but if I were a business owner I would, after taking reasonable precautions, be opening regardless. Damn the law. It goes against my conservative instincts to defy authority, but if the survival of my business and the jobs of my employees were on the line I would seriously consider a spot of civil disobedience. It has a long and venerable role in Western democracies in standing up to oppressive governments. And this government, heedless of our economic welfare and headed by an ex-president of the ‘International Union of Socialist Youth’, surely qualifies. 

Rosa-Parks-bus-Montgomery-Alabama-1956.j The BFD. Civil rights campaigner Rosa Parks sitting on a whites only bus in Montgomery, Alabama, 1956. Underwood Archives/UIG/REX/Shutterstock.com

 

 

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41 minutes ago, jack said:

By Jehovah

Image may contain: possible text that says 'WHEN A SOCIETY REGRETS THE ECONOMIC LOSS MORE THAN THE OSS OF LIFE, IT DOESN'T NEED A VIRUS, IT IS ALREADY SICK.'

Please tell me if any healthy person has died yet in NZ or Au for that matter of C19 ?

No worse than common flu?   21  compromised old people die while at the same time 4000 have died of other causes and crickets.

So when Jacinda and Ashley Bloomfield says the word 'Covid' replace it with 'common' and then you will understand the insanity of it all. 

Bloomfield   .... today we have one new case and one probable case of common flu....joke

 

Here's some questions that your media won't address

Who was behind the release of the virus?

Who was driving the media hysteria fear porn?

Who wanted to crash the world economy?

Why?

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49 minutes ago, jack said:

By Jehovah

Image may contain: possible text that says 'WHEN A SOCIETY REGRETS THE ECONOMIC LOSS MORE THAN THE OSS OF LIFE, IT DOESN'T NEED A VIRUS, IT IS ALREADY SICK.'

21 deaths all in the elderly age bracket with co-morbidities.

How many people will die as a result of depression, suicide and all those unable to seen/screened and treated for diseases such as cancer etc. It will be a substantially higher number than 21 and nor will their deaths reach the front page of the newspapers or lead the TV news.     

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3 hours ago, 100 1 said:

Please tell me if any healthy person has died yet in NZ or Au for that matter of C19 ?

No worse than common flu?   21  compromised old people die while at the same time 4000 have died of other causes and crickets.

So when Jacinda and Ashley Bloomfield says the word 'Covid' replace it with 'common' and then you will understand the insanity of it all. 

Bloomfield   .... today we have one new case and one probable case of common flu....joke

 

Here's some questions that your media won't address

Who was behind the release of the virus?

Who was driving the media hysteria fear porn?

Who wanted to crash the world economy?

Why?

Yes, 21. But how many without the serious mitigation we took? I'm sure you can come up with a number........

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1 hour ago, tripple alliance said:

What we do know is around 350 a year die from the common flu and around 700 NZer's die every WEEK from every day  life . 

 

And your point is? That obviously doesn't answer my question, but obviously things like social distancing will help our flu numbers as well  

If this thing was allowed to get hold with no mitigation, well, we can just watch Brazil for the next few weeks to get the answer to that I imagine. Even so-called "leading" countries that were slow to react, such as the UK and USA, have been hammered and are still being hammered, and with so many States reopening again against scientific advice, it will be interesting there progress over the next 4-8 weeks. It's really to early to tell anything for sure yet, until we see how things like second-waves and mutation pan out....

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48 minutes ago, Idolmite said:

And your point is? That obviously doesn't answer my question, but obviously things like social distancing will help our flu numbers as well  

If this thing was allowed to get hold with no mitigation, well, we can just watch Brazil for the next few weeks to get the answer to that I imagine. Even so-called "leading" countries that were slow to react, such as the UK and USA, have been hammered and are still being hammered, and with so many States reopening again against scientific advice, it will be interesting there progress over the next 4-8 weeks. It's really to early to tell anything for sure yet, until we see how things like second-waves and mutation pan out....

"" it will be interesting there progress over the next 4-8 weeks. It's really to early to tell anything for sure yet, until we see how things like second-waves and mutation pan out.."..

Same interest here , the games not over .

The only thing that most agree on is none of us know , if it blows out then we have blown $50 Billion and will have no choice but to go herd . 

Mean while I'm off to the chemist to pick up my 2nd pill tomorrow , remember comrade telling us there was no shortage of medicines , another porky , just like contact  tracing .

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2 hours ago, Idolmite said:

Yes, 21. But how many without the serious mitigation we took? I'm sure you can come up with a number........

No more if they used the HCQ like most other countries.

The immune system is fighting over a trillion viruses at any one time... another will make no difference.

It is the first time in history they have quarantined the healthy....insane

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, 100 1 said:

No more if they used the HCQ like most other countries.

The immune system is fighting over a trillion viruses at any one time... another will make no difference.

It is the first time in history they have quarantined the healthy....insane

 

 

 

You really need to get up to date and stop with the HCQ theory. That has been debunked and dropped of all radars......except yours it seems. 

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12 hours ago, Idolmite said:

You really need to get up to date and stop with the HCQ theory. That has been debunked and dropped of all radars......except yours it seems. 

So your MSM debunked HCQ ...that almost proves it is the cure

We will see who has the better news source.

Mine says HCQ combo will prove an effective preventative and remedy

It was used on Boris Johnson

Big Pharma are hiding the cures

Most vaccines are a fraud

Tony Fauci was promoting HCQ in 2005

https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2020/04/27/fauci-knew-about-hcq-in-2005-nobody-needed-to-die

 

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Ironically the week leading into Sunday March 15th when Ardern wanted to dress up and put on a sad face for the mosque shooting anniversary for world attention.  

Explain this:

You Could Drive a Truck Through That Gap

In the ‘Health Responses’ section of the released documents, we see daily, or sometimes twice-daily, updates and reports, and why wouldn’t we, it was a developing health emergency, then suddenly – nothing, nothing at all between March 11th and 16th.

How could that possibly be so? What was happening that week? Did the Health Ministry staff go on strike, or is there some other reason?
Strange, indeed.

 

47d35feaedc73b9da68c67cc5ea330eba65c6806 The BFD. Source: Govt document dump

 

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Not sure who is behind this but might become interesting now that the Spygate story has broken in the US

 

The biggest scandal in modern day history will soon be out, and New Zealand is connected to the corruption thats happening in US   take notes on how the Kiwis played a vital part in the illegal #Spygate on Trump

✅June 16, 2015 Trump formally announced his candidacy.

✅October , 2015 New Zealand Prime Minister, John Key, authorizes GCSB to spy on Trump. Warrant is vaild for one year.

✅November 8, 2016 Donald Trump is elected President of the United States of America

✅December 12, 2016 John Key suddenly resigns as Prime Minister of New Zealand. He's being blackmailed by DeepState, forced to renew GCSB warrant on Trump. Seeing no way out, he resigns.

✅January 20, 2017 Trump was inaugurated as the 45th president of the United States on January 20, 2017

✅January 26, 2017 Former NZ Prime Minister, Helen Clark announced that she would not seek re-election as UNDP Administrator (the same UN group who looked after the PEPFAR ) after the completion of her four-year term.

✅April 19, 2017 Clark left UNDP, and flies to NZ to be part of the following.

✅April 24, 2017 Five Eyes spying network holds highly secretive meeting in Queenstown NZ.
FBI director James Comey and CIA director attends. This was the meeting that the scheme to spy on Trump was hatched.

✅Helen Clark through George Soros rigs the 2017 election in favour of her prodigy Jacinda Ardern, they will get her to sign the GCSB warrant. Remember, they are convinced that Mueller will indicte Trump.

✅October 26, 2017, Ardern does indeed become Prime Minister of NZ. Postal votes (Soros - Clark) sway the result in her favour. Shortly thereafter she foolishly authorises GCSB to spy on Trump. Evidently she is too young and stupid to know that she's the fall guy.

✅March 21, 2018 Barack Obama arrives in New Zealand for the first time. Obviously he is here for GCSB intel. Perhaps to blackmail Key. Oddly, he is entertained by Sam Neill, NZ actor. Maybe they have something in common?

✅May 7, 2018 Hillary Clinton visit's New Zealand in May. Obviously she is here for GCSB intel! Perhaps she tries to pursuade Adern to renew the warrant when it expires in October/November.

✅March 7, 2019 John Podesta visited NZ & told newshub that New Zealand is a big juicy target - and that hacked information could be weaponised as fake news.
But thats not why he's here.

✅December 2019 John Key steps down from Air NZ board two weeks before the virus ripped apart the tourisim industry - timing round this one is TO PERFECT. Almost like Xi told him what was coming.

There’s more to the puzzle, so for anyone that connects the dots daily, keep throwing your findings this way.

The worlds biggest scandal in modern history will soon be out to the masses

Nothing can stop what’s coming

#DrainTheSwamp #wwg1wga #FallCabal

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5 hours ago, 100 1 said:

So your MSM debunked HCQ ...that almost proves it is the cure

We will see who has the better news source.

Mine says HCQ combo will prove an effective preventative and remedy

It was used on Boris Johnson

Big Pharma are hiding the cures

Most vaccines are a fraud

Tony Fauci was promoting HCQ in 2005

https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2020/04/27/fauci-knew-about-hcq-in-2005-nobody-needed-to-die

 

Yes, yes, yes. Same old words, same old opinions and same old links you've posted before. Just as a matter of interest, do you have a link to AN OFFICIAL STORY on that HCQ was used on Boris? And even then, it doesn't prove anything, of course. And any story of Fauci from 2005 obviously doesn't refer to the current scenario, as that only came to our attention in 2019. So most of your posting is just more innate rambling, but would be interested to read where Boris was officially given HCQ. Surely you're not relying on that old news clip where Trump said he was going to send Boris some HCQ. That was back in the days when Trump was promoting HCQ. You may of noticed he no longer does? I suspect he has access to better and more up to date advice than you do.....

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1 hour ago, Idolmite said:

Yes, yes, yes. Same old words, same old opinions and same old links you've posted before. Just as a matter of interest, do you have a link to AN OFFICIAL STORY on that HCQ was used on Boris? And even then, it doesn't prove anything, of course. And any story of Fauci from 2005 obviously doesn't refer to the current scenario, as that only came to our attention in 2019. So most of your posting is just more innate rambling, but would be interested to read where Boris was officially given HCQ. Surely you're not relying on that old news clip where Trump said he was going to send Boris some HCQ. That was back in the days when Trump was promoting HCQ. You may of noticed he no longer does? I suspect he has access to better and more up to date advice than you do.....

 

Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 000000 No.8802265
Apr 15 2020 12:47:08 (EST)
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6149275790001#sp=show-clips
Be informed.
Boris.
Think for yourself.
Trust yourself.
Q

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54 minutes ago, 100 1 said:

 

Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 000000 No.8802265
Apr 15 2020 12:47:08 (EST)

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6149275790001#sp=show-clips
Be informed.
Boris.
Think for yourself.
Trust yourself.
Q

Doctor Oz hahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha 

He's been so discredited, forced to apologise for the things he's said on air (Fox News no less hahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha) to the extent he's not even on air anymore. You'll have to do better than that. And don't come back with Doctor Phil. He's swimming in the same boat. And the link is not remotely connected to the link I asked you for. 

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2 hours ago, Idolmite said:

Doctor Oz hahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha 

He's been so discredited, forced to apologise for the things he's said on air (Fox News no less hahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha) to the extent he's not even on air anymore. You'll have to do better than that. And don't come back with Doctor Phil. He's swimming in the same boat. And the link is not remotely connected to the link I asked you for. 

You are another fake CNN watcher that will share the same grave as your dopey mate Ohokaman

No wonder you make zero sense

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