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3 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

Bible bashing Chrome Dome won't be ready till at least 2023.

Will be in much sooner than that. Doesn't alter the fact that National have no hope on current numbers without partners.

Maybe a new political party will emerge to change the dynamic....we'll see.

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6 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

'Will be in much sooner than that. Doesn't alter the fact that National have no hope on current numbers without partners.

Maybe a new political party will emerge to change the dynamic....we'll see.

We don't need a new political party , check out  to nights poll , National and Act have enough seats to govern ,.

Nothing cindy can do will stop the free fall , this is the worst government in NZ history . The Nats are raking in the cash donations , mum and dad doner's are filling the coffers , it won't be long before labour pays a visit to the bank to increase the OD limit .

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14 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

We don't need a new political party , check out  to nights poll , National and Act have enough seats to govern ,.

Nothing cindy can do will stop the free fall , this is the worst government in NZ history . The Nats are raking in the cash donations , mum and dad doner's are filling the coffers , it won't be long before labour pays a visit to the bank to increase the OD limit .

Done deal then,ah the Polls you WANT to believe...Trump is no hope,Brexit can't happen....etc,etc.

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16 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

We don't need a new political party , check out  to nights poll , National and Act have enough seats to govern ,.

Nothing cindy can do will stop the free fall , this is the worst government in NZ history . The Nats are raking in the cash donations , mum and dad doner's are filling the coffers , it won't be long before labour pays a visit to the bank to increase the OD limit .

Take polls with a grain of white stuff....the margin difference between TV1 and Newshub is ludicrous.

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8 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

Take polls with a grain of white stuff....the margin difference between TV1 and Newshub is ludicrous.

Yes the first poll is far to generous to labour , what does your gut tell you ? , that"s right this government is hopeless ,  it's failure on every front .

cindy is well aware of this that's why much of her speel is back tracking , advising caution on topics her  supporters would expect bold leadership on .

" Big bold moves that we haven't built public support for are easily dismantled, Ardern told the assembled union delegates in Wellington '',.and   '' She also used her speech to the Climate Change and Business Conference in Auckland on Wednesday October 9, to say the government had no plan to declare a "climate emergency". and There was no room for blame on climate change, she said, and "putting up the barriers" and hoping a different government was voted in was not the answer. , she's nervous .

Lees-Galloway refused an interview with Newshub about granting residencies to convicted criminals. National Party justice spokesperson Mark Mitchell says he's got a credibility issue so that's not good enough.

"This minister has not got a good track record. . There's going to have to be transparency around it, and he's going to have to explain why a decision like this was made when we've got good law-abiding people in this country that would make good citizens that have been turned down every week".

and the jones boy at it again ,  Shane Jones shooting an AR15, which his Government just banned , I recon Jones is just baiting her , possibly making a play to join National when nzf collapses  and , 

twitford , The government yesterday said it would bolster the agencies with 100 new staff and a $45 million fund, but more money would be needed - and that could come from motorists . and 

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she will apologise to former Wellington Mayor Justin Lester after she appeared to forget he was her own party's candidate for the mayoralty. She said that she also wanted to clarify her comments, noting "some of the things I've seen haven't necessarily been accurate". (She tried to distance labour from Lester's defeat) 

That's enough for now , I could spend a week on this , it's a very long list of incompetence .

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40 minutes ago, flockofewes2 said:

incompetence is a National Intellectual Property.

Come on Thomas do the right thing , here's a way to atone for you political sins , redemption is a small donation away . ( just click on nationals w/site )

The President’s Appeal is a once a year opportunity to help directly fund our campaign efforts, both on-line and on the ground.  Your personal support will ensure the strength of our campaign is unmatched.

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13 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Yes the first poll is far to generous to labour , what does your gut tell you ? , that"s right this government is hopeless ,  it's failure on every front .

cindy is well aware of this that's why much of her speel is back tracking , advising caution on topics her  supporters would expect bold leadership on .

" Big bold moves that we haven't built public support for are easily dismantled, Ardern told the assembled union delegates in Wellington '',.and   '' She also used her speech to the Climate Change and Business Conference in Auckland on Wednesday October 9, to say the government had no plan to declare a "climate emergency". and There was no room for blame on climate change, she said, and "putting up the barriers" and hoping a different government was voted in was not the answer. , she's nervous .

Lees-Galloway refused an interview with Newshub about granting residencies to convicted criminals. National Party justice spokesperson Mark Mitchell says he's got a credibility issue so that's not good enough.

"This minister has not got a good track record. . There's going to have to be transparency around it, and he's going to have to explain why a decision like this was made when we've got good law-abiding people in this country that would make good citizens that have been turned down every week".

and the jones boy at it again ,  Shane Jones shooting an AR15, which his Government just banned , I recon Jones is just baiting her , possibly making a play to join National when nzf collapses  and , 

twitford , The government yesterday said it would bolster the agencies with 100 new staff and a $45 million fund, but more money would be needed - and that could come from motorists . and 

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she will apologise to former Wellington Mayor Justin Lester after she appeared to forget he was her own party's candidate for the mayoralty. She said that she also wanted to clarify her comments, noting "some of the things I've seen haven't necessarily been accurate". (She tried to distance labour from Lester's defeat) 

That's enough for now , I could spend a week on this , it's a very long list of incompetence .

And here's a little more , this is worth a study it's brilliant .

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"some of the things I've seen haven't necessarily been accurate .."

Allow me to translate this 'spin' to straight talk:

" some of these things were wrong"

Jacinda is getting a whole lot of bull-kaka advice from spin doctors. she's be better off making a simple apology (ans win/keep supporters becos of its honesty), but that kind of approach is never recommended by said doctors of spin.

Labour is in dire straits one year out, but a week is a long time in politics. If National had a viable leader/PM-in-waiting, it'd bbe goodbye NZF and ACT ....

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12 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Come on Thomas do the right thing , here's a way to atone for you political sins , redemption is a small donation away . ( just click on nationals w/site )

The President’s Appeal is a once a year opportunity to help directly fund our campaign efforts, both on-line and on the ground.  Your personal support will ensure the strength of our campaign is unmatched.

Click here to chip in $30

Click here to chip in $50

Click here to chip in $100

don't worry list M.P Dr Jiang is on the job.Best M.P's money can buy=National.

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Poor Lester Shoved Down the Memory Hole

Well; that’s not very nice. Jaz has gone and memory-holed poor ol’ Justin…“

It seems Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has thrown deposed Labour Wellington mayor Justin Lester under a Wellington bus. Lester may still be licking his wounds after losing out to Andy Foster but Ardern seems to have poured salt all over them and cut ties with him – in a very obvious slip of the tongue. On Monday, during her weekly post-Cabinet press conference, Ardern swiftly distanced the former mayor from the Labour Party by incorrectly stating that he had run this election as an independent.”

stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116575387/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-distances-labour-from-failed-wellington-mayoral-candidate-justin-lester

Hang on a minute, please, Ms Prime Minister: “Lester went through an official process to become the party’s official candidate – unlike Phil Goff for example, who was only Labour-endorsed. Voting papers described Lester as a Labour candidate and all his campaign paraphernalia was Labour Party-branded.”But, yeah, nah…Not Labour, nothing to do with Labour.

 

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5 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

don't worry list M.P Dr Jiang is on the job.Best M.P's money can buy=National.

An influential United States Congress hearing has been told "one of the major fundraisers for Jacinda Ardern's party" is linked to the Chinese Communist Party and it showed China had penetrated New Zealand's political networks.

As a result, US lawmakers needed to consider whether New Zealand should be kicked out of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance because of problems at its "political core".

In early 2008, Ardern was elected as the President of the International Union of Socialist Youth,  a role which saw her spend time in several countries, including Jordan, Israel, Algeria and CHINA

Ardern has called capitalism a "blatant failure" due to the extent of homelessness in New Zealand . She advocates a lower rate of immigration, suggesting a drop of around 20,000–30,000. Calling it an "infrastructure issue", she argues, "there hasn't been enough planning about population growth, we haven't necessarily targeted our skill shortages properly". However, she wants to increase the intake of refugees.

How's the homeless and immigration going ?? Cindy certainly fits the bill of a globalist (more refugees ) and a communist supporter .

 

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6 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

An influential United States Congress hearing has been told "one of the major fundraisers for Jacinda Ardern's party" is linked to the Chinese Communist Party and it showed China had penetrated New Zealand's political networks.

As a result, US lawmakers needed to consider whether New Zealand should be kicked out of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance because of problems at its "political core".

In early 2008, Ardern was elected as the President of the International Union of Socialist Youth,  a role which saw her spend time in several countries, including Jordan, Israel, Algeria and CHINA

Ardern has called capitalism a "blatant failure" due to the extent of homelessness in New Zealand . She advocates a lower rate of immigration, suggesting a drop of around 20,000–30,000. Calling it an "infrastructure issue", she argues, "there hasn't been enough planning about population growth, we haven't necessarily targeted our skill shortages properly". However, she wants to increase the intake of refugees.

How's the homeless and immigration going ?? Cindy certainly fits the bill of a globalist (more refugees ) and a communist supporter .

 

that refers to Dr Jiang...notice you don't provide a date/link.Getting kicked out of 5 eyes would be great.

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Mike:

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is with us, good morning.

Jacinda:

Good morning.

Mike:

This bloke that Lees-Galloway has given residency to, because he’s a protected person, despite the fact he has six drink driving convictions and two ‘driving without a licence’ convictions: just answer me this question, if you can.  The immigration and protection tribunal give him protected person status; therefore, the minister has no discretion over whether or not he gets residency. Is that right?

Jacinda:

Well, he has no discretion over whether or not he can stay in NZ or not, he basically… he can’t be deported, so that’s ah um… ah… that basically limits ah… that’s where the limitation exists.

Mike:

So… so it’s voluntary to make…

Jacinda:

He cannot be forced to leave NZ…

Mike:

Okay.

Jacinda:

Ah… so… I’m not ah… a hundred percent… of course, um across the individual detail of this particular case, Mike, but what I do know is that decision around him being a protected person, that’s not a decision for the minister. That was made by the tribunal, as you pointed out.

Mike:

Okay.

Jacinda:

I’m not going to defend though, repeat drunk driving convictions, no one should. Um… the protections we expect us to be given as a country around that, that’s down to the justice system and they should be dealing squarely with that, as we’d all expect.

Mike:

So… so are you telling me that Lees-Galloway does have discretion – no, you can’t boot him out – but he does have discretion as to whether he makes him a resident or not?

Jacinda:

(Sucks in breath) I’m not giving you that response here, Mike, because I haven’t seen the case…um

Mike:

Just in general, under law, is all I’m asking.

Jacinda:

(indistinct)… until late last night and so I… I can’t actually tell you what was put in front of the minister on that. All I know is that he cannot ah… have that person removed… um… or leave him in a situation where he cannot stay in NZ.

Mike:

All right.

So, if he has discretion, would you be surprised that he’s offered residency to a man with that level of convictions that you didn’t have to?

Jacinda:

I’m not going to… I’m not going to offer up a hypothetical on that, but nor am I going to stand here and defend someone’s convictions.

Mike:

Because this would be… this would be… surely, if he has discretion… this would be Lees-Galloway in trouble yet again over a residency decision.

Jacinda:

Again, no, no… again Mike, again… keeping in mind here this person basically cannot be forced to leave NZ.

Mike:

No, I understand that but…

Jacinda:

Basically, the protected person means they stay.

Mike:

Yeah, but though not necessarily as a resident.

Jacinda:

Ah… and so what would you… what would you….

Mike:

I don’t know.  That’s what I’m asking you. That’s what I’m asking.

Jacinda:

Well, again what I’m saying is that basically this person has to stay, so, you know, whether or not you’re having a conversation here around the individual um visa status, that person… that person cannot cannot be forced to leave New Zealand. So that removes a lot of discretion…

Mike:

Well why… and so, going back to my original question, if the immigration protection tribunal has the power to give the status of protected person, to that person, why doesn’t the minister then have the power to override that… why is the minister hamstrung?

Jacinda:

(Sucks in breath) Now I… again… this is not… you wouldn’t be alone in this, of course…

Mike:

Well that doesn’t matter. I’m talking about us.

Jacinda:

Yeah, yeah sure, but, actually we have international obligations that when people are determined… ah… to be protected persons – refugees, asylum seekers – then obligations flow from that.

Mike:

Yeah but… but… but here’s my question though: the… the minister has absolute discretion on residency but a minister doesn’t have absolute discretion on protected person status – why not?

Jacinda:

That is… that is my understanding, because a separate tribunal has made the decision.

Mike:

Yeah, but… I know that… but why?

Jacinda:

(Silence) But of course we have obligations that if someone is going to be…

Mike:

We make our own laws.

Jacinda:

Ah… ah…. yes, but we also sign up to conventions. So, Mike the question here would be: do you think that there should never be any situation where a person would have any protection over them…

Mike:

No.

Jacinda:

…anywhere.

Mike:

No, I’d argue that the minister should be making the decision – not a tribunal.

Jacinda:

Well, actually I do think that there are some cases where it is helpful to have some level of independence.

Mike:

But you must have over-arching um stewardship from the minister otherwise you are being dictated to by a tribunal?

Jacinda:

Well, actually, having a… having a third party… I think there is benefit to having third parties who are involved here to give um protection…

Mike:

Yeah, but not absolute power though?

Jacinda:

Well… ah….

Mike:

Otherwise you are not the government.

Jacinda:

Ah… (laughs)

Mike:

It is absolute power. That’s why I want to get to the bottom of it. It would appear to have absolute power over the minister.

Jacinda:

Do you think the minister… (deep breath) here Mike… do you think a minister of justice should have absolute power to overturn a decision made by a judge?

Mike:

Ah, well, potentially they do because the government is the ultimate court of the land – yes.

Jacinda:

No, no there’s no… again…

Mike:

The government can change the laws of the land.

Jacinda:

But Mike, the suggestion that a minister would override a court decision…

Mike:

But this isn’t a court decision.

Jacinda:

…on someone’s… No, but I’m making a parallel judgement here, there are situations where it is absolutely right that we don’t intervene. Courts are one of them. We should not come in and put a political overlay in decisions that are rightfully made through our justice system. So, there are examples, where actually we don’t have absolute discretion, we do have a separate process…

Mike:

Okay.

Jacinda:

And actually…

Mike:

Well, if you are happy with it. It just seems such a weird thing to me, that’s all.

Jacinda:

Well, I’m not happy with someone being a repeat drunk driver.

Mike:

No.

Jacinda:

Of course, you know, no one would be happy with that.

Mike:

No. Can we have a crack at CRL one more time? Can you tell me who these companies are that are being negotiated with?

Jacinda:

Yeah… well… um… I went over the cases again last night. So, there’s… I’ve seen a bit of detail on about three different businesses…

Mike:

Okay, so let me just pause you there.

Jacinda:

I’m just a bit cautious about…

Mike:

Just for the record, let me pause you there. You don’t have to name them, but you can provide me with information about three different businesses in the CRL [City Rail Link] area that are being negotiated with at the moment by CRL?

Jacinda:

I’ve had information on three examples. So that might be…

Mike:

Who told you?

Jacinda:

Ah… that would have come through from Zero (?) Limited – those on the ground.

Mike:

Why can’t we find a single business?

Jacinda:

I’ve… Mike, I can’t tell you who you’ve been talking to…

Mike:

We are talking to them all. Every one of them, Heart of the City, CRL – every one of them. We cannot find a single business who is being negotiated with.

Jacinda:

Sorry – you’ve spoken with every business on Albert Street whose been affected by the city rail link?

Mike:

So far, yes.

Jacinda:

Well, I’ve been… I cannot square that because I have specific names and examples and I don’t want to expose them…

Mike:

No that’s fine. Can you provide those to us?

Jacinda:

…because it relates to their leases and…

Mike:

No, that’s fine. Can you provide those to us because what we got out of you last week was you told what you told us now – which is fine – ah… then everyone went to ground and we couldn’t find a single business, people were ringing us saying “who are they? We don’t know who they are. It’s not us.” There’s no business in the area. Heart of the City say there’s no business in the area. CRL won’t talk, Twyford’s still running for the hills.

Jacinda:

If you can… Well if you can assure me that you’ll retain their privacy…

Mike:

Of course, I will, of course I will.

Jacinda:

Then Mike, you and I.

Mike:

Okay, so you can provide that. So, you stand here this morning saying there are businesses being negotiated with, and there are plans in place and deals will be struck?

Jacinda:

Well, that is my understanding, some of them related to people’s leases though. Some of them relate to whether or not people have alternate business sites provided through Council and there’s not one size fits all, there’s different options…

Mike:

Yeah, I understand that. That… that’s good, well if you can provide that to us, that would be most helpful.

Now, forestry last week also, ah… you said there weren’t too many forests in the country, Shane Jones appears to disagree with you and he’s looking to curtail forestry?

Jacinda:

Are you giving a fulsome quote from Shane Jones right now? Because of course…

Mike:

Well, he’s considering reining in conversions of farmlands to forestry after a rural backlash.

Jacinda:

No, that… that information is a bit more fulsome. Like, that’s not saying weren’t not planting enough trees. We have a policy, right place right tree. We don’t want to see productive land that doesn’t… ah… isn’t necessarily fit for purpose being converted. Ah… and we are keeping an eye on whether or not we’ve got ah… got all the policy setting right. You’d expect anyone would want to keep an eye on that. And so, we are… we are looking at that, but at the same time there’s plenty of unproductive land, land that’s been eroded, that is fit for purpose, ah… for forestry, and so it’s just making sure that we get all the levers in the right place.

Mike:

It’s a month since the sex assault allegations and the QC’s work – when’s her report due?

Jacinda:

(Sucks in breath) She’s advised that um… her expectation it would be late November.

Mike:

So, it’s two months now?

Jacinda:

(Sucks in breath) I’m… I’m not the one setting the time lines, I want to give her the time to do the job properly…

Mike:

Well you told us a month.

Jacinda:

And that… I put caveats around that because I’m not going to force someone to produce a report that’s not complete…

Mike:

So, it’ll now be two months, you think?

Jacinda:

(Sucks in breath) Ah… roughly, yeah that’s what I’ve been told.

Mike:

The KiwiBuild reset charts that Meghan Woods promised us – when do they go up?

Jacinda:

(Sucks in breath) Ah… I think draft, so that’ll be with the minister, and once they’re complete she’ll be… she’ll be making them publicly available.

Mike:

No timeline?

Jacinda:

Ah, not that I can provide. You can ask the minister, Mike, I know that’s in train.

Mike:

Did… did Justin Lester get thrown under the bus by you yesterday in you claiming he was an Independent when he wasn’t?

Jacinda:

No, no. I don’t… no, not at all. Um… that was just me referencing, you know, some of the um… public paraphernalia I’ve seen around the campaign. Ah… ah…

Mike:

Was part of that Grant Robertson campaigning for him? Was he part of the public paraphernalia?

Jacinda:

Oh, though… letters getting sent out by local MPs around local candidates is not unusual. (Speaking quickly) Mike I’ve got to ask for my view of what is happening in Wellington and it’s a bit too early to say and as someone who is not a… a full time resident there you’d be better asking some of the local leaders, but I heard a bit of… you know a bit of chat about whether or not actually regional council decisions that had nothing to do with Justin Lester might have played into it. That’s all.

Mike:

Right.

Jacinda:

You know, it’s all speculation.

Mike:

But he went through… he went through the process to become the party’s official candidate – so he was a Labour Party candidate, wasn’t he?

Jacinda:

Oh, well… so just… without wanting to bore your listeners, Mike, so Phil Goff was also in an endorsed candidate by the Labour Party and went through a process, but he maintained his status as being independent so, um… there’s… there can still be an endorsed candidate by Labour and still run as an independent or you can run on a Labour ticket.

Mike:

Which Justin did?

Jacinda:

There’s not too much difference. Which is what… which is what Justin did.  

Mike:

Which doesn’t make him an independent.

Jacinda:

No, that’s absolutely fair. I was reflecting the fact that in any of the signage I’d seen locally he didn’t have any Labour brand on it, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t on a Labour ticket.

Mike:

Appreciate your time and look forward to that information on CRL. Jacinda Ardern in for another week.

 

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5 minutes ago, flockofewes2 said:

Ho hum...minister of Immigration...Steven Joyce here ...'we have an American billionaire here who wants citizenship...he has been in the country 11 days and seems like a good bloke...get it done.Yes minister...and ….

At least Steve got value for money , how can you compare a billionaire who contributes with a brokarse who takes ? I would say if you compare the two cases Steve got it right

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1 minute ago, tripple alliance said:

At least Steve got value for money , how can you compare a billionaire who contributes with a brokarse who takes ? I would say if you compare the two cases Steve got it right

Obviously you don't know about Joyces next deal with Thiel,after citizenship he gave him a heads you win,tails NZ taxpayers lose investment deal that netted him 20 mil profit and gave NZ a reutation as ..suckers.Taxpayers got their money back!Brilliant.:rcf-thinking-1:

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12 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

Obviously you don't know about Joyces next deal with Thiel,after citizenship he gave him a heads you win,tails NZ taxpayers lose investment deal that netted him 20 mil profit and gave NZ a reutation as ..suckers.Taxpayers got their money back!Brilliant.:rcf-thinking-1:

Suckers all right , the 15000 new beneficiaries will cost about $8,000,000 a year to keep just for one year , the only reason we have 15000 more beneficiaries is government policy . They don't know what they are doing .

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22 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Suckers all right , the 15000 new beneficiaries will cost about $8,000,000 a year to keep just for one year , the only reason we have 15000 more beneficiaries is government policy . They don't know what they are doing .

After 9 years of neglect and the runaway inflation it stoked,people cannot afford a roof over their  heads.

Bringing in workers to keep wages low,so profits are high is no help either.

Labour is the lesser of 2 evils,still beholdin to big business and the core rot of debt slavery.

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3 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Suckers all right , the 15000 new beneficiaries will cost about $8,000,000 a year to keep just for one year , the only reason we have 15000 more beneficiaries is government policy . They don't know what they are doing .

$,8000,000 is the remuneration Theo Spering got for ONE years work at Fonterra FFS.Left it a basket case.Shows you whats wrong with the world...does it not?

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