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19 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Nothing sneaky about it , what was sneaky was labour introducing gst in the first place and then going about bankrupting people with interest rates as high as 26% , that's right 26% , that's what you call real pain .

 National was committed to tax cuts at the last election , $20 a week which by now would be $40 a week but what did we get , a tax take at record levels  and giveaways for some but NO GAINs , thanks Winston .

During his 2008 election campaign John Key said that,, if elected, a National Govt would not raise the GST rate.

In the 2010 Budget the John Key led National Govt announced a 2.5%  rise in the GST rate, taking it from 12.5% to 15%. It was referred to in the media as a "flip flop".

Why then should we, the NZ public, believe any tax cut claims the National party might currently be making?

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2 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

During his 2008 election campaign John Key said that,, if elected, a National Govt would not raise the GST rate.

In the 2010 Budget the John Key led National Govt announced a 2.5%  rise in the GST rate, taking it from 12.5% to 15%. It was referred to in the media as a "flip flop".

Why then should we, the NZ public, believe any tax cut claims the National party might currently be making?

Sure he put GST up but nobody had foreseen the impact of the global financial crisis , I  would suggest raising GST was the fairest option , a person who buys a new expensive car pays much more gst than a lesser well off person who buys , very much cheaper  smaller car.

The financial crisis of 2007–2008, also known as the global financial crisis and the 2008 financial crisis, was a severe worldwide economic crisis considered by many economists to have been the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s, to which it is often compared. Wikipedian

 

 This is what was supposed to happen , a $20 a week tax cut for ALL was passed into law before the last election , this pack of no hopers had to change the law to stop the cut .

By now it could have been $40 , taxcinda prefers to give money away which is inflationary , look what happened to rents , certain people renting were given $60 a week subsidy which made it possible for landlords to increase rents by $60 and that's exactly what they did . 

If tax cuts were implemented the ones who benefit from those tax cuts are the people who receive the tax cuts , a much fairer outcome .

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18 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Sure he put GST up but nobody had foreseen the impact of the global financial crisis , I  would suggest raising GST was the fairest option , a person who buys a new expensive car pays much more gst than a lesser well off person who buys , very much cheaper  smaller car.

The financial crisis of 2007–2008, also known as the global financial crisis and the 2008 financial crisis, was a severe worldwide economic crisis considered by many economists to have been the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s, to which it is often compared. Wikipedian 

 

 This is what was supposed to happen , a $20 a week tax cut for ALL was passed into law before the last election , this pack of no hopers had to change the law to stop the cut .

By now it could have been $40 , taxcinda prefers to give money away which is inflationary , look what happened to rents , certain people renting were given $60 a week subsidy which made it possible for landlords to increase rents by $60 and that's exactly what they did . 

If tax cuts were implemented the ones who benefit from those tax cuts are the people who receive the tax cuts , a much fairer outcome .

'the financial crisis of 2007–2008, also known as the global financial crisis and the 2008 financial crisis, was a severe worldwide economic crisis considered by many economists to have been the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s, to which it is often compared'...

AND which was caused  by the voracious greed of Wall St,John Key's lords and masters ,who he no doubt went to for the billions ,borrowed.

Borrowing for tax cuts is pretty fucking stupid.

Wage rises for lower paid workers works way,way better as far as economic stimulus goes.

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44 minutes ago, flockofewes2 said:

'the financial crisis of 2007–2008, also known as the global financial crisis and the 2008 financial crisis, was a severe worldwide economic crisis considered by many economists to have been the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s, to which it is often compared'...

AND which was caused  by the voracious greed of Wall St,John Key's lords and masters ,who he no doubt went to for the billions ,borrowed.

Borrowing for tax cuts is pretty fucking stupid.

Wage rises for lower paid workers works way,way better as far as economic stimulus goes.

Wage rises is what we have had , how's that working out ,the working poor are much worse off today than when this shocking government was appointed .  Borrowing is what cindy and Robertson have indicated they are going to do and that's when overseas earning from farming is at record levels , if they knew what they were doing it might be ok but they don't . 

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12 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Wage rises is what we have had , how's that working out ,the working poor are much worse off today than when this shocking government was appointed .  Borrowing is what cindy and Robertson have indicated they are going to do and that's when overseas earning from farming is at record levels , if they knew what they were doing it might be ok but they don't . 

The biggest dynamic has been the cost of housing to ordinary NZ'ers.

Key and co accelerated the crisis with their denial of its existence.

Conveniently RE is left out of the inflation index.Not hard to see why is it?

The % the average worker spends on mortgage/rent is obscene and a reflection of  never ending QE and Nationals worship of an 'open economy'=NZ 4 SALE.

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19 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Sure he put GST up but nobody had foreseen the impact of the global financial crisis , I  would suggest raising GST was the fairest option , a person who buys a new expensive car pays much more gst than a lesser well off person who buys , very much cheaper  smaller car.

The financial crisis of 2007–2008, also known as the global financial crisis and the 2008 financial crisis, was a severe worldwide economic crisis considered by many economists to have been the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s, to which it is often compared. Wikipedian

 

 This is what was supposed to happen , a $20 a week tax cut for ALL was passed into law before the last election , this pack of no hopers had to change the law to stop the cut .

By now it could have been $40 , taxcinda prefers to give money away which is inflationary , look what happened to rents , certain people renting were given $60 a week subsidy which made it possible for landlords to increase rents by $60 and that's exactly what they did . 

If tax cuts were implemented the ones who benefit from those tax cuts are the people who receive the tax cuts , a much fairer outcome .

That worldwide economic crisis commenced in early 2007. The NZ election took place in November 2008. John Key made promises during that election campaign that he knew full well he would be unlikely to keep.....and John Key comes across far more trustworthy than "Shifty" Simon Bridges. He reminds me of the kid who rats on the lads smoking behind the bike sheds.

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17 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

I'm surprised Winston has supported this....he's been banging on about "quality over quantity" for years.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400277/government-scraps-refugee-policy-labelled-as-racist-by-migrant-advocates

How can you be surprized  , he says anything that people want to believe , he even said he would save the racing industry , that's how he's survived , I can remember him lecturing all in parliament on negativity of people from coming from Africa , Somalis were his work tool at the time .  He was even going to cut immigration .

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23 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

The biggest dynamic has been the cost of housing to ordinary NZ'ers.

Key and co accelerated the crisis with their denial of its existence.

Conveniently RE is left out of the inflation index.Not hard to see why is it?

The % the average worker spends on mortgage/rent is obscene and a reflection of  never ending QE and Nationals worship of an 'open economy'=NZ 4 SALE.

What failed to help housing  supply was the GFC , housing construction stalled and in that period and it takes time to catch up but this government has made things much worse , you could buy a decent house in AK for $400k  at that time , check out the stats . What hasn't helped supply and cost is twitfords massive kiwi build failure , 2 years wasted . Socialist ideology working as most suspected .

Also get out you calculator and compare the affordability of houses today compared with 20years ago , nothings changed today 3.8% , 20 years ago 10.5%/11%  . 

4 October 2019 

The number of people waiting for public housing has grown to more than 13,000 for the first time, despite the Government’s home-building efforts.
Latest official figures from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development show the waitlist had reached 13,167 households in August – up from 12,644 a month earlier.
The record (from 2004) was first broken in June, when the queue passed 12,000.

The waitlist was 5,844 when National left office. It has more than doubled in less than two year

 

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1 hour ago, tripple alliance said:

What failed to help housing  supply was the GFC , housing construction stalled and in that period and it takes time to catch up but this government has made things much worse , you could buy a decent house in AK for $400k  at that time , check out the stats . What hasn't helped supply and cost is twitfords massive kiwi build failure , 2 years wasted . Socialist ideology working as most suspected .

Also get out you calculator and compare the affordability of houses today compared with 20years ago , nothings changed today 3.8% , 20 years ago 10.5%/11%  . 

4 October 2019 

The number of people waiting for public housing has grown to more than 13,000 for the first time, despite the Government’s home-building efforts.
Latest official figures from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development show the waitlist had reached 13,167 households in August – up from 12,644 a month earlier.
The record (from 2004) was first broken in June, when the queue passed 12,000.

The waitlist was 5,844 when National left office. It has more than doubled in less than two year

 

National sold state houses,renegged on reforming the RMA and ignored the money laundering of foreign buyers,all which worsened the crisis.

Affordability is reflected only by record low interest rates,manipulated as usual to counter the Q.E excesses.A 500K house at 8% vs a million dollar house @4%Unutilised landbanking and empty residences need to be levied to increase supply.Singaporean buyers should be banned as well.They have no land.

The housing crisis is like a leaking dam,instead of fixing it,National as usual kicked the can down the road for Labour to take care of.

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1 hour ago, flockofewes2 said:

'''National sold state houses,renegged on reforming the RMA and ignored the money laundering of foreign buyers,all which worsened the crisis.

Affordability is reflected only by record low interest rates,manipulated as usual to counter the Q.E excesses.A 500K house at 8% vs a million dollar house @4%Unutilised landbanking and empty residences need to be levied to increase supply.Singaporean buyers should be banned as well.They have no land.

The housing crisis is like a leaking dam,instead of fixing it,National as usual kicked the can down the road for Labour to take care of.

Thomas you choose to ignore the growing house build when the nats ruled . "When I became minister, we were building 15,000 houses a year, five years ago. Last year we built 31,000 houses - that's a more than doubling . 

Record low interest rates have benefited the less well off at the expense of retirees and financial institutions . Labour has already proved it is incapable of solving anything and the way winstons clowns are performing a collapse of this totally useless government is now a possibility 

.'''Members were upset about the fact Peters had filed to sue the National Party over their alleged leaking of his Superannuation information just one day before the 2017 election.
A member sought an explanation from Peters as to how true and fair the Coalition negotiations were, given Peters was in the process of suing National while attempting to hammer out a deal to be in Government.  

Documents reveal members felt the party’s list showed disrespect for hardworking, loyal, hardworking and long-serving members, and favoured candidates who had personal relationships with those who select the list placement.'' 

This party is finished which means so is this government , grass roots support and help  is gone .

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Barry your figures and facts' are not accurate but reflect your  blind allegiance to National.

National maintain the status quo and enrich the few at the expense of the many.That is their raison d'etre'.40,000 empty homes in Auckland alone = the demand deficit.

National are good at spin and embedding misconceptions like...they are sound economic managers,safe pair of hands,on the cusp of something special.

Handing over public assets to their mates...high country pastoral leases,privatising prisons and utilities...selling off NZ to the highest bidders...and after politics ,directorships at companies that have donated to their election campaigns.

A rogues gallery with the latest entrants Key,English,Coleman and Shipley.Should be in jail.

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Sorry tommo but you need to open you eyes and look at what was being done by National  , house building in full swing and this .

  2015  / The Government is about to begin selling up to 2000 state houses to social housing providers, with homes in Tauranga and Invercargill first on the block. 

About 1140 houses in Tauranga and another 370 in Invercargill will be sold to registered providers from tomorrow as part of the Social Reform Housing programme.

Tenants affected in Invercargill and Tauranga will be able to stay in their homes when they are sold, with the properties to remain as social housing unless the Government decides otherwise.

Consultation with iwi has found Ngati Ranginui has 115 Right of Refusal properties in Tauranga and Ngai Tahu has three in Invercargill.

Those properties will not go up for sale while talks continue.

The Government plans to sell up to 8000 state houses to community groups by 2017. 

Mr Key said providers such as the Salvation Army might not have the money to provide more houses for needy tenants.

To help them increase their housing stock, the Government could sell them some of its 69,000 state houses at a cut price, he told TVNZ's Breakfast this morning.

SO NOT SOLD TO MATES , sold to community HOUSING providers for virtually nothing , some were actually sold with money provided for upgrades , some IWI paid $1 for houses that needed huge upgrades 

 

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18 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Sorry tommo but you need to open you eyes and look at what was being done by National  , house building in full swing and this .

  2015  / The Government is about to begin selling up to 2000 state houses to social housing providers, with homes in Tauranga and Invercargill first on the block. 

About 1140 houses in Tauranga and another 370 in Invercargill will be sold to registered providers from tomorrow as part of the Social Reform Housing programme.

Tenants affected in Invercargill and Tauranga will be able to stay in their homes when they are sold, with the properties to remain as social housing unless the Government decides otherwise.

Consultation with iwi has found Ngati Ranginui has 115 Right of Refusal properties in Tauranga and Ngai Tahu has three in Invercargill.

Those properties will not go up for sale while talks continue.

The Government plans to sell up to 8000 state houses to community groups by 2017. 

Mr Key said providers such as the Salvation Army might not have the money to provide more houses for needy tenants.

To help them increase their housing stock, the Government could sell them some of its 69,000 state houses at a cut price, he told TVNZ's Breakfast this morning.

SO NOT SOLD TO MATES , sold to community HOUSING providers for virtually nothing , some were actually sold with money provided for upgrades , some IWI paid $1 for houses that needed huge upgrades 

 

Course they were sold to mates!They gave an  ex Fay Richwhite hack 2.3million to plan the sales FFS!Some state houses were sold for 38% of valuation with the condition they were to be rented for 25 years.

You just said the Sallies and co could not afford them.NZ needs more state houses,not less!You have N.FI. old sock.

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5 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

Course they were sold to mates!They gave an  ex Fay Richwhite hack 2.3million to plan the sales FFS!Some state houses were sold for 38% of valuation with the condition they were to be rented for 25 years.

You just said the Sallies and co could not afford them.NZ needs more state houses,not less!You have N.FI. old sock.

Some state houses were sold for 38% of valuation with the condition they were to be rented for 25 years.  

What's wrong with that ?? doing that was the only way to retain them as social housing stock , the alternative was to bulldoze them . Keep in mind these house were badly in need of upgrading which costs the new housing providers  plenty , a great move really .

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1 hour ago, tripple alliance said:

Some state houses were sold for 38% of valuation with the condition they were to be rented for 25 years.  

What's wrong with that ?? doing that was the only way to retain them as social housing stock , the alternative was to bulldoze them . Keep in mind these house were badly in need of upgrading which costs the new housing providers  plenty , a great move really .

They were not offered on the open market.

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17 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

Course they were sold to mates!They gave an  ex Fay Richwhite hack 2.3million to plan the sales FFS!Some state houses were sold for 38% of valuation with the condition they were to be rented for 25 years.

You just said the Sallies and co could not afford them.NZ needs more state houses,not less!You have N.FI. old sock.

Spending on contractors and consultants - a snapshot

IRD - $150m for 10 months in 2017-18; $162m in 2016-17; $55m in 2014/15

MBIE - $95.07m in 2017-18; $95.7m in 2016-17

MSD - $15m; $33m

Justice Ministry - $36.6m; 2016/17 unavailable

Transport - $5m in 2017-18; expects to spend $8.2m in 2018-19 (covers research and legal fees, too; unclear if covers contractors)

 

Even when it's employing contractors the Nat's were far better managed , this lot hasn't got a clue .

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10 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

They were not offered on the open market.

Now you are getting desperate , the Nat's were protecting  housing for the less well off , if they were on the open market they would have been lost to the less well off .

The truth is National have a good record of responsible government that looks after all in society .

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More failure , hell this lot have no idea  they just don't know what they are doing , I know what they are doing , causing harm , if the police are allowed to do their job watch the crime figures rise .

 

'' National says the government's "soft on crime" approach has led to nearly 1400 more people joining gangs since it took office.  

Figures obtained by National in response to written questions to the Police Minister show that the number of patched gang members has increased by 26 percent since October 2017.

Gang membership in the Bay of Plenty and Eastern districts has increased by more than 200 and in the Tasman district it has almost doubled.

National leader Simon Bridges said gangs have become emboldened by the government's policies.''

"The government's approach to policing, to law and order, to Corrections, which is overly focused on reducing prison numbers at any cost ''.

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1 minute ago, tripple alliance said:

More failure , hell this lot have no idea  they just don't know what they are doing , I know what they are doing , causing harm , if the police are allowed to do their job watch the crime figures rise .

 

'' National says the government's "soft on crime" approach has led to nearly 1400 more people joining gangs since it took office.  

Figures obtained by National in response to written questions to the Police Minister show that the number of patched gang members has increased by 26 percent since October 2017.

Gang membership in the Bay of Plenty and Eastern districts has increased by more than 200 and in the Tasman district it has almost doubled.

National leader Simon Bridges said gangs have become emboldened by the government's policies.''

"The government's approach to policing, to law and order, to Corrections, which is overly focused on reducing prison numbers at any cost ''.

Hilarious..the Nats standard answer is 'we don't have the data'...now they have accurate gang membership data!Pull the other one it plays a quintet by Schubert.

National reverting to their default position bash beneficiaries and act tough on crime(except for white collar=their stripe).

 

'The truth is National have a good record of responsible government that looks after all in society . '=comedy GOLD .

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56 minutes ago, flockofewes2 said:

Hilarious..the Nats standard answer is 'we don't have the data'...now they have accurate gang membership data!Pull the other one it plays a quintet by Schubert.

National reverting to their default position bash beneficiaries and act tough on crime(except for white collar=their stripe).

 

'The truth is National have a good record of responsible government that looks after all in society . '=comedy GOLD .

!! Hilarious..the Nats standard answer is 'we don't have the data'...now they have accurate gang membership data!! 

O'dear , you are as desperate as cindy and Winston they are both in panic mode , especially winston , the stats were supplied by THE POLICE MINISTER who is another one out of his depth in PARLIAMENT , they are cindys stats .

Seriously Thomas it's time for you to concede this is the worst government in NZ history and I see nzf support has collapsed , their only chance is for Winston to retire and then go grovelling to the Nat's .

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11 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

!! Hilarious..the Nats standard answer is 'we don't have the data'...now they have accurate gang membership data!! 

O'dear , you are as desperate as cindy and Winston they are both in panic mode , especially winston , the stats were supplied by THE POLICE MINISTER who is another one out of his depth in PARLIAMENT , they are cindys stats .

Seriously Thomas it's time for you to concede this is the worst government in NZ history and I see nzf support has collapsed , their only chance is for Winston to retire and then go grovelling to the Nat's .

No need to panic...the Natz have no talent and no coalition friends.

As for consultants...when Joyce was running MBIE payments to consultants reached 2million a week!170K for a big T.V..70K for a foyer sculpture,hell even $400 for a hair straightener...money(taxpayers)=no object.

I could go on about how fiscally irresponsible,Key,English,and McCully were in wasting millions and millions but I see you are a dyed in the wool Natz acolyte.

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2 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

No need to panic...the Natz have no talent and no coalition friends.

As for consultants...when Joyce was running MBIE payments to consultants reached 2million a week!170K for a big T.V..70K for a foyer sculpture,hell even $400 for a hair straightener...money(taxpayers)=no object.

I could go on about how fiscally irresponsible,Key,English,and McCully were in wasting millions and millions but I see you are a dyed in the wool Natz acolyte.

The way this lot are going they won't need any partners , winstons disillusioned supporters will go with National and Winston will be out the door.

Even super Simon is on the way up , he is performing much better as time goes on ,12 months left to perfect his art , cindy has no show .

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23 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

The way this lot are going they won't need any partners , winstons disillusioned supporters will go with National and Winston will be out the door.

Even super Simon is on the way up , he is performing much better as time goes on ,12 months left to perfect his art , cindy has no show .

What talented M.P's do the Natz have?Slim pickins.Smitty and Gerry 'Craig' past their use by date.Bennett a liability,'Kauri' Collins....no hope...leaves????

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1308227299001_5738887904001_573888535600By JC

A Coalition Committee of Cluster Clots

I emailed a friend saying this lot were an apology for a Government. His reply was along the lines of: They certainly couldn’t be called a Government, in fact, they are so useless they could barely be called a committee.

Well, let’s look at the past week the so-called committee has just had, particularly New Zealand First.

Shane Jones managed a damning story almost daily. He allegedly started off by threatening the forestry industry that votes for money was the way to go. It didn’t seem to occur to the man that this may not be quite above board. The lady in charge must have recalled a line delivered at herself, as Shane got a zip it sweetie type of telling off. Ignoring that, he thought a dollop of utu wouldn’t go amiss for those foreign investors who criticised him politically and threatened to go to the Overseas Investment Office to find out who they were. Again, not quite above board Mr Jones.

Then to his obvious joy out comes a report from working group number 1053, or that’s what it seems like, recommending the removal of the Auckland port to Northport. Who was on this committee? Some of you might remember a Garth Brooks song Friends In Low Places. High or low doesn’t really matter but it sums up what appears to be the case in this carry-on. For the third time, not quite above board, Minister.

This was also a week when the Chairman of the Party resigned not just from his position but from the Party altogether. It is now transpiring that the Party is in chaos internally and their financial affairs are allegedly a mess. And they think they can participate in the running of a country. They are a joke. To rub salt into their wounds it was revealed on Friday that most NZF voters wanted Winston to go with National prior to the last election. However, after the Government was formed they switched their allegiance to Labour. Are we to assume Winston is the pied piper of New Zealand? I wonder what they think now.

Not to be outdone, Labour leapt into the fray courtesy of Damien O’Connor who went to Gore and effectively gored the farmers, telling them he’d been there more than he’d liked and they were to get over it. I presume he was referring to the water proposals. Wow! How to win friends and influence people. What a numpty. Then along comes Megan Woods with her electricity report from working group 2021, or so it feels. She intends to implement a number of recommendations or more aptly electric shocks.

Power companies will receive theirs in the form of direct Government interference on how to run their businesses and consumers will get theirs in the form of rising power bills. This is the exact opposite of what was the intended outcome. Even our friend Barry Soper agrees this will most likely happen. The vocalising of Ms Woods predictably says otherwise. Reading the Labour Fails series that Suze has been diligently compiling, it is blindingly obvious these clots really are clueless. How many if any, have a good handle on their portfolios? And I haven’t even got to the antics of Ms Genter who blocked submissions that were anti her car tax proposals. National Party spam she called them. Can’t leave the Greens out.

So at week’s end what have we got? New Zealand First has Shane Jones supposedly swotting up on the cabinet manual, lol, and Winston returning from overseas to a Party in disarray. Labour, along with Jones, have lived up to their reputation of meddling in privately-run companies. They persist in doing it and then wonder why they are regarded by farmers and businesses as being unfriendly and why business confidence is so low. Grant Robertson says this is always the case when you have a Labour Government.

This week provided him with the answers as to why. The chances of Robertson understanding them is about as likely as Namibia beating the All Blacks on Sunday night. Nil.

 

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