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By Christie

Remember the sex scandal last year at the Young Labour summer camp? You do? I’m surprised you do, because no one knows what happened, who was responsible and what the outcome was. Labour is a master at ‘reviewing policies around the issue’ – it is all they ever seem to do as a government – but fronting up and admitting liability is not their strong point.

And here we are… again.

At least four members of the Labour Party have reportedly resigned over an investigation into allegations against a staff member.

Newstalk ZB political editor Barry Soper says the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex – and that there were 12 alleged complainants.

“What they’re saying is, the party is telling them not to comment. They say people incredibly high up are on the side of the accused in the Beehive,” Soper said.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is keeping tight-lipped about the party’s handling of the matter.

The party is telling them not to comment… nothing like being ‘open and transparent’, is there?

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She told reporters this morning that Labour had to make sure that when serious allegations were made that they were taken seriously and when the process was questioned, it could be independently reviewed.

Ardern would not comment on whether the alleged offender worked in her office, and said the matter was currently one for the party, and not an employment matter.

Oh well, fair enough, after all, it is a party matter, so there would be no reason for the leader of the party, who also happens to be prime minister, to get involved, would there?

It was about the conduct about a member of the party, and not about the employer or workplace. The Prime Minister would not comment on whether the alleged culprit still worked for the party.

As far as she was aware police had not been involved.

Well, the police damned well should be involved. It seems that the allegations include rape, which is a serious crime. There is no way that Labour can brush this one under the carpet, although they will try their hardest.

Labour had already reviewed its processes after sexual assault allegations at a Young Labour summer camp, and this was a chance to see if Labour learned anything from that process.

What was being looked at in the current review included whether there was a process of natural justice, she said.

See what I mean? All they ever do is ‘review their policies’. Clearly, they did this after the Young Labour Summer Camp, and nothing changed. Disgraceful.

MediaWorks yesterday reported seven party members and officials laid complaints this year accusing the senior party staffer of “unacceptable behaviour ranging from bullying and intimidation to sexual harassment and sexual assault”.

When pressed by Hosking, Ardern said she wouldn’t be commenting on the investigation, labelling it a “party matter”. She also refused to comment on the number of people who had left.

Jacinda is making light of some very serious allegations here. We all know that people can sometimes overreact to anything that they believe to be sexual harassment. Remember the parliamentary staffer who was called a rapist by Trevor Mallard when it seems that all he did was to give unwanted hugs? But this is much bigger than that.

However, Newstalk ZB’s Barry Soper said the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex and that there were 12 alleged complainants.

Soper said those allegedly affected were “frightened” of talking to the media as they claimed they would have their support withdrawn if they spoke out.

“They talked about not just sexual assault but rape, they said that this person worked in the Beehive for two years, he was offering promotions for sex. They said there was a huge power imbalance, they said the person was well known to Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson.

“They said one victim was hospitalised, two were still working at Parliament, six others were junior party members and there were 12 victims in all.”

Soper said the complainants just want the party to be held to account.

After the Young Labour debacle, we all know that is not going to happen. No one will be held to account, and the media will certainly never get any details about it.

Soper said the alleged offender worked for the Labour Party as opposed to Parliamentary Service.

The whistleblower said they wanted to speak out as the Labour Party had already investigated and with the alleged offender having support of people “high up in the party”, “they’d felt that this matter was not going to go any further”.

“But these allegations are very serious indeed. When I originally got the first email about a month ago it couldn’t be ignored but any attempt to follow it up with the party was fruitless.”

Soper said it appeared the claims were separate from those made in relation to a summer camp which involved a 20-year-old accused who had two charges against him dropped following a police investigation into an incident at a Labour Party summer camp at Waihi in February last year.

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Labour has form on this. This is only the latest sex scandal to come out involving the Labour Party. The previous one was, of course, the Young Labour Summer Camp, where there were 4 charges of indecent assault. A report on the issue, and how Labour should review its code of conduct, and policies around sexual harassment and bullying was published, but Jacinda refused to release it.

As I said, there is nothing like being ‘open and transparent’ is there?

And of course, if you look back to 2011, there was the Darren Hughes Swiss ball saga, where he had a complaint brought against him by a student. Nothing happened there either.

There is a pattern here… of sexual assault and bullying, and of lies and cover-ups. Both are reprehensible to our most ‘open and transparent’ government. Someone needs to break ranks and throw some sunlight on the rot that exists within Labour. Otherwise, we’ll just be discussing another sexual assault case in a few months time.

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If the complainant(s) want the party to be held to account, someone needs to lay a complaint with the police,otherwise this will be swept under the carpet  - and justifiably so.
If there are allegations of serious crime eg rape, it is a matter for the police.

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By Christie

Remember the sex scandal last year at the Young Labour summer camp? You do? I’m surprised you do, because no one knows what happened, who was responsible and what the outcome was. Labour is a master at ‘reviewing policies around the issue’ – it is all they ever seem to do as a government – but fronting up and admitting liability is not their strong point.

And here we are… again.

At least four members of the Labour Party have reportedly resigned over an investigation into allegations against a staff member.

Newstalk ZB political editor Barry Soper says the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex – and that there were 12 alleged complainants.

“What they’re saying is, the party is telling them not to comment. They say people incredibly high up are on the side of the accused in the Beehive,” Soper said.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is keeping tight-lipped about the party’s handling of the matter.

The party is telling them not to comment… nothing like being ‘open and transparent’, is there?

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She told reporters this morning that Labour had to make sure that when serious allegations were made that they were taken seriously and when the process was questioned, it could be independently reviewed.

Ardern would not comment on whether the alleged offender worked in her office, and said the matter was currently one for the party, and not an employment matter.

Oh well, fair enough, after all, it is a party matter, so there would be no reason for the leader of the party, who also happens to be prime minister, to get involved, would there?

It was about the conduct about a member of the party, and not about the employer or workplace. The Prime Minister would not comment on whether the alleged culprit still worked for the party.

As far as she was aware police had not been involved.

Well, the police damned well should be involved. It seems that the allegations include rape, which is a serious crime. There is no way that Labour can brush this one under the carpet, although they will try their hardest.

Labour had already reviewed its processes after sexual assault allegations at a Young Labour summer camp, and this was a chance to see if Labour learned anything from that process.

What was being looked at in the current review included whether there was a process of natural justice, she said.

See what I mean? All they ever do is ‘review their policies’. Clearly, they did this after the Young Labour Summer Camp, and nothing changed. Disgraceful.

MediaWorks yesterday reported seven party members and officials laid complaints this year accusing the senior party staffer of “unacceptable behaviour ranging from bullying and intimidation to sexual harassment and sexual assault”.

When pressed by Hosking, Ardern said she wouldn’t be commenting on the investigation, labelling it a “party matter”. She also refused to comment on the number of people who had left.

Jacinda is making light of some very serious allegations here. We all know that people can sometimes overreact to anything that they believe to be sexual harassment. Remember the parliamentary staffer who was called a rapist by Trevor Mallard when it seems that all he did was to give unwanted hugs? But this is much bigger than that.

However, Newstalk ZB’s Barry Soper said the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex and that there were 12 alleged complainants.

Soper said those allegedly affected were “frightened” of talking to the media as they claimed they would have their support withdrawn if they spoke out.

“They talked about not just sexual assault but rape, they said that this person worked in the Beehive for two years, he was offering promotions for sex. They said there was a huge power imbalance, they said the person was well known to Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson.

“They said one victim was hospitalised, two were still working at Parliament, six others were junior party members and there were 12 victims in all.”

Soper said the complainants just want the party to be held to account.

After the Young Labour debacle, we all know that is not going to happen. No one will be held to account, and the media will certainly never get any details about it.

Soper said the alleged offender worked for the Labour Party as opposed to Parliamentary Service.

The whistleblower said they wanted to speak out as the Labour Party had already investigated and with the alleged offender having support of people “high up in the party”, “they’d felt that this matter was not going to go any further”.

“But these allegations are very serious indeed. When I originally got the first email about a month ago it couldn’t be ignored but any attempt to follow it up with the party was fruitless.”

Soper said it appeared the claims were separate from those made in relation to a summer camp which involved a 20-year-old accused who had two charges against him dropped following a police investigation into an incident at a Labour Party summer camp at Waihi in February last year.

A NEWSPAPER


Labour has form on this. This is only the latest sex scandal to come out involving the Labour Party. The previous one was, of course, the Young Labour Summer Camp, where there were 4 charges of indecent assault. A report on the issue, and how Labour should review its code of conduct, and policies around sexual harassment and bullying was published, but Jacinda refused to release it.

As I said, there is nothing like being ‘open and transparent’ is there?

And of course, if you look back to 2011, there was the Darren Hughes Swiss ball saga, where he had a complaint brought against him by a student. Nothing happened there either.

There is a pattern here… of sexual assault and bullying, and of lies and cover-ups. Both are reprehensible to our most ‘open and transparent’ government. Someone needs to break ranks and throw some sunlight on the rot that exists within Labour. Otherwise, we’ll just be discussing another sexual assault case in a few months time.

Human nature is apolitical.Most people understand this.

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WHEN IS A LETTER FROM THE MINISTER NOT A LETTER FROM THE MINISTER? 

No, this is not a trick question. The answer is when the minister determines that it is not – despite its being written on a Ministerial letterhead and signed the “Associate Minister of Transport“. Julie Anne Genter says that the letter is from the Green Party Transport spokesperson and therefore does not need to be disclosed. She says party policy should remain confidential.

The letter from Julie Anne Genter dated 26 March is to Phil Twyford, Minister of Transport. MPs Chris Bishop and Nicola Willis suspect that it contains proof that Genter coerced the Wellington City Council into adopting a green transport plan which puts major tunnel and roading projects in Wellington on hold for 10 years, and funds public transport instead.

Yesterday Genter again asserted her right to keep the contents of the letter private, which only raises the question, “why is she going to such lengths to hide the contents of the letter?

There are other details about Genter’s relationship with the Wellington City Council that she may not have made public.

The letter to Phil Twyford was written prior to Twyford’s finalising government funding for the Wellington Transportation Programme in May 2019.

Genter’s husband Peter Nunns became Principal Advisor to the Wellington City Council in July 2019 but also remains Principal Economist for MR Cagney – a leading independent transport and planning consultancy with a special focus on sustainable transport and urban outcomes. What, if any, business relationship is there between MR Cagney and the Wellington City Council?

In a business situation, Genter would be expected to disclose her husband’s relationship with the Wellington City Council as a conflict of interest. Such disclosure includes people who are in a consenting personal relationship, that is, your spouse. Did Ms Genter table this disclosure in her meetings with Twyford and the Wellington City Council and remove herself from the discussions and decision making, which would be normal business practice?

Surely ministerial practice should be at least as good as good business practice – in fact, better, you would hope.

Genter’s insistence on keeping the information in this letter hidden is beginning to develop a very bad smell.

Sean Plunket on Magic Radio, talking with Chris Bishop, called it the “very curious saga of how Wellington’s transport plans nearly brought down this government”.

Plunket said this because Genter may have threatened to resign, which would have destabilised the coalition if the council did not comply with her green plans. This sorry little saga could still bring down the government if it is found that Genter threatened to resign and/or withhold funding in an attempt to subvert the Wellington City Council’s transport plans.

If proven, the story of the Greens, with 6% of the popular vote, manipulating a local body, using the threat of destabilizing the Coalition government by resigning, or withdrawing billions of dollars in funding, will go down in history.

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37 minutes ago, rdytdy said:

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By Suze

WHEN IS A LETTER FROM THE MINISTER NOT A LETTER FROM THE MINISTER? 

No, this is not a trick question. The answer is when the minister determines that it is not – despite its being written on a Ministerial letterhead and signed the “Associate Minister of Transport“. Julie Anne Genter says that the letter is from the Green Party Transport spokesperson and therefore does not need to be disclosed. She says party policy should remain confidential.

The letter from Julie Anne Genter dated 26 March is to Phil Twyford, Minister of Transport. MPs Chris Bishop and Nicola Willis suspect that it contains proof that Genter coerced the Wellington City Council into adopting a green transport plan which puts major tunnel and roading projects in Wellington on hold for 10 years, and funds public transport instead.

Yesterday Genter again asserted her right to keep the contents of the letter private, which only raises the question, “why is she going to such lengths to hide the contents of the letter?

There are other details about Genter’s relationship with the Wellington City Council that she may not have made public.

The letter to Phil Twyford was written prior to Twyford’s finalising government funding for the Wellington Transportation Programme in May 2019.

Genter’s husband Peter Nunns became Principal Advisor to the Wellington City Council in July 2019 but also remains Principal Economist for MR Cagney – a leading independent transport and planning consultancy with a special focus on sustainable transport and urban outcomes. What, if any, business relationship is there between MR Cagney and the Wellington City Council?

In a business situation, Genter would be expected to disclose her husband’s relationship with the Wellington City Council as a conflict of interest. Such disclosure includes people who are in a consenting personal relationship, that is, your spouse. Did Ms Genter table this disclosure in her meetings with Twyford and the Wellington City Council and remove herself from the discussions and decision making, which would be normal business practice?

Surely ministerial practice should be at least as good as good business practice – in fact, better, you would hope.

Genter’s insistence on keeping the information in this letter hidden is beginning to develop a very bad smell.

Sean Plunket on Magic Radio, talking with Chris Bishop, called it the “very curious saga of how Wellington’s transport plans nearly brought down this government”.

Plunket said this because Genter may have threatened to resign, which would have destabilised the coalition if the council did not comply with her green plans. This sorry little saga could still bring down the government if it is found that Genter threatened to resign and/or withhold funding in an attempt to subvert the Wellington City Council’s transport plans.

If proven, the story of the Greens, with 6% of the popular vote, manipulating a local body, using the threat of destabilizing the Coalition government by resigning, or withdrawing billions of dollars in funding, will go down in history.

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawnn.

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Ardern’s ‘Game Changer’ is Another Broken Promise

wo years on from the prime minister’s pledge to have light rail from Auckland’s CBD to Mt Roskill within four years, the project is on the fast track to nowhere.

All the signs point to this being yet another broken election promise from Labour.

Jacinda Ardern said her slow tram down Dominion Road would be a ‘game-changer’ but it has turned out to be slower than a game of Risk with the basic first step of a business case still not done at what was supposed to be the project’s halfway point.

When she was asked last week what transport projects her government had started, this was the only one she could name – but it hasn’t started.

The government’s ineptitude has been on full display throughout with ministers unable to agree on whether the extended line to M?ngere will cost $4 billion or $7 billion.

The business case was supposed to be ready by November 2018. The delay suggests Phil Twyford is struggling to stack up an economic case for spending that much taxpayer cash.

There’s also the looming problem of APEC and the 2021 America’s Cup. The disruption that construction would cause may mean the project can’t begin until 2022, if at all.

The government’s dilly-dallying on this couldn’t have come at a worse time. It has pulled the handbrake on our economy by cancelling dozens of infrastructure projects that were ready to go under National, and it hasn’t been able to get anything off the ground itself.

This is why New Zealand is at an ‘infrastructure crisis point’ according to the Business Council. The government has shut down this country’s infrastructure pipeline just so it can press ahead with an ideological dream it cooked up during the election campaign.

Phil Twyford has now placed the construction sector in a precarious position. If the business case for light rail doesn’t stack up – and that is a real possibility – what will he do? Push on regardless and waste billions of taxpayer dollars, or scrap it and leave the country in a huge infrastructure hole?

This term of government has been littered with Labour’s broken promises: KiwiBuild, a cancer agency, free doctor’s visits, police numbers, a capital gains tax – the list goes on.

Light rail to Mt Roskill within four years is on track to wind up on that list.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, rdytdy said:

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Ardern’s ‘Game Changer’ is Another Broken Promise

wo years on from the prime minister’s pledge to have light rail from Auckland’s CBD to Mt Roskill within four years, the project is on the fast track to nowhere.

All the signs point to this being yet another broken election promise from Labour.

Jacinda Ardern said her slow tram down Dominion Road would be a ‘game-changer’ but it has turned out to be slower than a game of Risk with the basic first step of a business case still not done at what was supposed to be the project’s halfway point.

When she was asked last week what transport projects her government had started, this was the only one she could name – but it hasn’t started.

The government’s ineptitude has been on full display throughout with ministers unable to agree on whether the extended line to M?ngere will cost $4 billion or $7 billion.

The business case was supposed to be ready by November 2018. The delay suggests Phil Twyford is struggling to stack up an economic case for spending that much taxpayer cash.

There’s also the looming problem of APEC and the 2021 America’s Cup. The disruption that construction would cause may mean the project can’t begin until 2022, if at all.

The government’s dilly-dallying on this couldn’t have come at a worse time. It has pulled the handbrake on our economy by cancelling dozens of infrastructure projects that were ready to go under National, and it hasn’t been able to get anything off the ground itself.

This is why New Zealand is at an ‘infrastructure crisis point’ according to the Business Council. The government has shut down this country’s infrastructure pipeline just so it can press ahead with an ideological dream it cooked up during the election campaign.

Phil Twyford has now placed the construction sector in a precarious position. If the business case for light rail doesn’t stack up – and that is a real possibility – what will he do? Push on regardless and waste billions of taxpayer dollars, or scrap it and leave the country in a huge infrastructure hole?

This term of government has been littered with Labour’s broken promises: KiwiBuild, a cancer agency, free doctor’s visits, police numbers, a capital gains tax – the list goes on.

Light rail to Mt Roskill within four years is on track to wind up on that list.

 

 

 

to quote National...'these are aspirational targets'.

National have never had any vision.They have only 2 policies =enrich the few at the expense of the ...many,and NZ 4 SALE.

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Think of it this way Flockofewes. If the rich don’t stay rich, there’ll be nobody to employ the poor! Then where will we be? Nothing personal but if one sticks to looking at the “facts”, Prime Minister Ardern will be remembered and recorded as being one of NZ’s most under-achieving PM’s. She’s not suitable in today’s world and completely out of her depth. Well meaning? Sure. But completely out of her depth supposedly trying to run a modern economy. What’s worse, she’s surrounded by equals. 

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45 minutes ago, Trump said:

Think of it this way Flockofewes. If the rich don’t stay rich, there’ll be nobody to employ the poor! Then where will we be? Nothing personal but if one sticks to looking at the “facts”, Prime Minister Ardern will be remembered and recorded as being one of NZ’s most under-achieving PM’s. She’s not suitable in today’s world and completely out of her depth. Well meaning? Sure. But completely out of her depth supposedly trying to run a modern economy. What’s worse, she’s surrounded by equals. 

How can the 'rich' stay' 'rich' without the labour and resources of the 'poor'?

Please educate me about the last administrations policies that have made a positive difference to the lives of ordinary NZ'ers.

Try to avoid the GFC and Chch earthquakes=the staple answer to a question National acolytes struggle with.

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22 hours ago, flockofewes2 said:

How can the 'rich' stay' 'rich' without the labour and resources of the 'poor'?

Please educate me about the last administrations policies that have made a positive difference to the lives of ordinary NZ'ers.

Try to avoid the GFC and Chch earthquakes=the staple answer to a question National acolytes struggle with.

Typical Socialist response...have you polished that hammer and sickle over the front door lately...??

Simple fact is the economy was much stronger under National because of employer and consumer confidence in what they were doing. That translated into greater employment opportunities for "your poor masses"....presuming they actually wanted to work and not sit on their arses like thousands do now thanks to Labour handouts. That number on benefits grows by the day...she's a magician alright.....:rolleyes:

You might also recall the huge surpluses National built up through efficient management ( currently being handed out to the wrong people ) which would have resulted in significant tax cuts that would have benefitted everyone, particularly families and those who needed extra income most.

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Where the hell is she anyway ??? Hasn't been seen or heard for weeks ??

Maori Land sit ins ( she managed to make that worse ), the Abortion debate taken over by Winston, economy tanking...and our esteemed leader is where....?? Invisible. Hard questions being asked and she goes AWOL.....

Any glitter left in the cupboard.....???

:rolleyes:

 

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The Labour party in this Coalition government are fast becoming a huge embarrassment. They are leaderless, so Winston is doing what he knew he could do all along – simply toying with a bunch of rank amateurs. They are like possums caught in the headlights, nothing but a bunch of muppets dancing to Winston’s and New Zealand First’s tune.

When it comes to being politically savvy they are completely naive. As a result, cracks are appearing in the Coalition which won’t be of any concern to Winston. He’s got Labour exactly where he wants them, playing his game, and if anyone gets hurt or looks stupid he’ll make sure it’s them and not him. As for the Greens, who are they?

Ardern either doesn’t know what’s going on, doesn’t want to know or gives the impression, as she did with Mike Hosking last week, that nothing that is happening is any concern of hers. Sex here, sex there, sex may be everywhere but it’s nothing to do with her. Technically speaking she’s correct but she can’t absolve herself of all responsibility in the matter. A birthday bash with Daddy and a school girl looking photo on the cover of Vogue magazine won’t suffice as excuses for not doing her job. If she’s not careful she’ll be getting the sort of bad press the guest editor of the Vogue edition she’s in is getting in England.

Having had her CGT plans scuttled by Winston it appears she is now at odds with him on Ihumātao, which he describes as an unlawful occupation and says most protesters were not Mana Whenua. Speaking in Tauranga he also said the Maori Land Court, the Environment Court, the United Nations and Heritage New Zealand have all rejected the claims about the archaeological significance of the site. What business then is it of Jacinda’s to stupidly involve the government? We need to get on and build the houses.

There also appears to be some disagreement over the abortion legislation. Winston blindsided Andrew Little, not for the first time (they’re slow learners in Labour), plus his own Tracey Martin, over the possibility of a referendum. He then blasted Labour and proceeded to make out he was the good guy in a shambles of his making. He left Martin to apologise to Little and then said there was nothing to apologise for.
Mike Hosking hit the nail on the head when he said this was classic Winston. Mike went onto say there will be a lot more of this to come. You bet! I only hope National are taking note. Clever it might be but I wouldn’t want a bar of it in my playbook.

More broadly speaking Grant Robertson, when hit with what Westpac called a stunning decision to reduce the OCR by fifty basis points for only the fourth time, decided a dose of his leader’s so called posidividy was needed. Taking the ‘every cloud has a silver lining’ approach he told us what great news this was for Kiwis. The cost of living will improve, mortgage rates will go down and it’s now a great time to invest in New Zealand. He probably thinks that’s the real reason Adrian Orr did it. Perhaps he’s wishing it was reduced to zero. If that’s his thinking don’t expect an economic improvement anytime soon. Clueless.

Then there’s the dangerous Julie Anne Genter, the lady who hates cars even though she sports the initials of one. The car in question is upmarket and sporty so the comparison ends with the initials. She seems to have single-handedly broken the Cabinet Manual and also the belief that this is an open and transparent government. Belief in the latter actually expired some time back. She pens a letter and then in trying to avoid having to release it confuses herself and everyone else as to whether she was wearing a boater, a cloche or a dunce’s hat when she wrote it. The hat doesn’t matter but the resignation does.

And finally, the well-meaning Eugenie Sage. So well-meaning, as Leighton Smith used to say, we may as well all live in a cave and scrub ourselves with a rock. According to Eugenie we can’t dig, can’t explore, can’t expand businesses and now fishing for whitebait is in danger. The lady has a problem where her heart rules her head. All ideology and no understanding of the economy. No doubt she agrees with Greenpeace that we should halve the dairy herd.

To sum up, in the bear pit of parliament, on the government side, we seem to have a lot of Winnie the Pooh’s, ie bears of very little brain. Perhaps we should let them loose in the hundred-acre wood. I’m sure they’d never find their way out.

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any gummit the contains the incompetence of Lees-Galloway, Curran and Jackson, W should be a one-term gummit ...Taxinda is very quiet now because the honeymoon is well and truly over ...her strategists will no doubt hope the Vogue cover and an eventual (pre-election) wedding ceremony for maximum publicity effect will be enough to sneak in for a second term...and it might, given the inability of the Nats to organise any kind of LRP (Leader Replacement Programme). NZ politicians are all missing the one ingredient they real need  - credibility. I cannot think of one senior politician I'd like to vote for as Prime Minister.  Crusher is compromised by her past; so is Winston; Bridges is intelligent but devoid of leadership skills and gravitas.

As a complete aside, I wonder how long it will be before the Orientals form a NZ Chinese Party and assert real influence over Auckland council and central government here? The numbers must be there already (or imminent); Interesting times in Godzone.

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7 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Could Luxon be the answer Weasel...??  Wouldn't be surprised if new parties spring up to try and sort this mess out.

From a 'business brain' point of view, perhaps ...but does he have the political nous yet? Even SirJohn had to serve some time on the backbenches to learn 'due process' of how gummit works. Key know how to connect with  'the common man/woman' too, even if it meant being a dawk at times. I'm surprised we haven't actually got a viable Tory Party in NZ - Colin Craig really blew a great opportunity there, but that doesn't mean someone else won't have a go and I'm surprised no-one has tried in the last year or so. NZ First wont survive (for long) without Winston and ACT is largely irrelevant ...

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4 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

Typical Socialist response...have you polished that hammer and sickle over the front door lately...??

Simple fact is the economy was much stronger under National because of employer and consumer confidence in what they were doing. That translated into greater employment opportunities for "your poor masses"....presuming they actually wanted to work and not sit on their arses like thousands do now thanks to Labour handouts. That number on benefits grows by the day...she's a magician alright.....:rolleyes:

You might also recall the huge surpluses National built up through efficient management ( currently being handed out to the wrong people ) which would have resulted in significant tax cuts that would have benefitted everyone, particularly families and those who needed extra income most.

You are very short on FACTS.

Economy under National relied on booming housing market,as international hot money flowed into NZ RE,and also  immigration to keep wages low.

Nats ran straightline deficits for their first 7 years,after Cullens straightline surplus.

As economist Cameron Bagrie commented just the other day-'business confidence' is a political narrative of no consequence.

National are excellent at propaganda,and platitudes-'a brighter future',on the cusp of something special'etc,etc but short on results.

You and others lap up this b/s and accept it as fact.Laughable.

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2 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

Could Luxon be the answer Weasel...??  Wouldn't be surprised if new parties spring up to try and sort this mess out.

The answer to what...an airbrushed character to fabricate a backstory around and market to the gullible a la Key!

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1 hour ago, flockofewes2 said:

You are very short on FACTS.

Economy under National relied on booming housing market,as international hot money flowed into NZ RE,and also  immigration to keep wages low.

Nats ran straightline deficits for their first 7 years,after Cullens straightline surplus.

As economist Cameron Bagrie commented just the other day-'business confidence' is a political narrative of no consequence.

National are excellent at propaganda,and platitudes-'a brighter future',on the cusp of something special'etc,etc but short on results.

You and others lap up this b/s and accept it as fact.Laughable.

Throw in the Global Financial Crisis and the Christchurch Earthquakes into the mix, wild waters navigated with aplomb...and yes, we know you'd rather forget the financial burden that placed on NZ and it was National that got us through, and still managed to hand over record surpluses.

Can you imagine this bunch of clowns doing the same ?? 

And business confidence is a made up term ? Ask employers if they are going to hire or not. Just like consumer confidence is whether they are going to go out and spend the money they have to keep goons like you in a job.

As for platitudes....." Let's do this..." ( Fuck up the Country presumably ) and " Most transparent government" ring any bells ??

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