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1 hour ago, jack said:

It`s The NZ Governor General Jerry Mateparae TED , Not HONE KEY ... As always , misleading everyone again!!

:rcf-laughing-2::rcf-laughing-2:  Took you a while to work that out Jack. Thought you weren't going to twig at all. There are photos taken from the other side clearly showing it was Jerry Mateparae.  

John Key was actually visiting Samoa, Tonga and Nuie as part of the 2014 Pacific Mission at the time.

He wasn't in Nelson promoting any budget.   

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Well Well , I said a eff up a day , true to form today we have confirmation of a 45% increase in emergency benefits THIS YEAR . Hell this lot are out of their depths , it's their policy failures , steering the country in the wrong direction , that's at the heart of the problems.  

Ah much more in a little while  , FORESTRY another expensive joke . Would be Funny if we weren't all being shafted .

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the only one going too win out of this government is going to be the psychiatrists and their bureaucrats........

i heard on the news tonight they telling the less fortunate too head too the rouge loans sharks for a quick buck?

whats wrong with "follow me there is a job fruit picking in the bay"

its going too be millions and millions paid by rate/tax payers with these "the world is going too end declarations" 

there is a hell of a lot of money leaving the public's pay packets for very little in return  

apart from a few smiles and photo shoots........... 

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I'll bet the Mike Hosking lovers on this thread were cheering loudly yesterday, when their hero, Mike the Brave, verbally slapped down that little upstart Chloe Swarbick as they "debated" cannabis reform.

Poor old Chloe tried to carry on a rational debate, but Mike was having none of it. He pulled out the "name calling mallet" and bludgeoned her with it. He talked over the top of her, saying she was "naive" "hadn't had kids yet" was a "pro pot professional". 

To be fair to the young woman she took the blows and didn't resort to any name calling in reply; although it must have crossed her mind.

The short exchange epitomised the growing generational gap in this country. The old male warrior trying to cling to power, vs the young female on the rise. The problem for Mike and his followers is she'll win eventually. She has time on her side.

 

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9 minutes ago, Uriah Heap said:

I'll bet the Mike Hosking lovers on this thread were cheering loudly yesterday, when their hero, Mike the Brave, verbally slapped down that little upstart Chloe Swarbick as they "debated" cannabis reform.

Poor old Chloe tried to carry on a rational debate, but Mike was having none of it. He pulled out the "name calling mallet" and bludgeoned her with it. He talked over the top of her, saying she was "naive" "hadn't had kids yet" was a "pro pot professional"

To be fair to the young woman she took the blows and didn't resort to any name calling in reply; although it must have crossed her mind.

The short exchange epitomised the growing generational gap in this country. The old male warrior trying to cling to power, vs the young female on the rise. The problem for Mike and his followers is she'll win eventually. She has time on her side.

 

!!!! The problem for Mike and his followers is she'll win eventually. She has time on her side.!!!!! 

And that's where you are wrong , at her age time is actually quite short , eventually she will grow up , have kids and family responsibility's and then do you think the thought of filling her OWN kids up with dope will be so appealing . The only way she will continue to support dope at that stage of her life will be if she is still getting paid by the government .

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46 minutes ago, Uriah Heap said:

I'll bet the Mike Hosking lovers on this thread were cheering loudly yesterday, when their hero, Mike the Brave, verbally slapped down that little upstart Chloe Swarbick as they "debated" cannabis reform.

Poor old Chloe tried to carry on a rational debate, but Mike was having none of it. He pulled out the "name calling mallet" and bludgeoned her with it. He talked over the top of her, saying she was "naive" "hadn't had kids yet" was a "pro pot professional". 

To be fair to the young woman she took the blows and didn't resort to any name calling in reply; although it must have crossed her mind.

The short exchange epitomised the growing generational gap in this country. The old male warrior trying to cling to power, vs the young female on the rise. The problem for Mike and his followers is she'll win eventually. She has time on her side.

 

Never had any time for Hosking,even though i lean to the right,but i have less time for Swarbick.

Another poli who has never had a real job but think she knows whats right for those that have.

Another dreamer.

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The worst government in 25 years

by Christie on June 14, 2019 at 8:00am
 

We say on this blog all the time, that this government would be in a lot more trouble if it did not have a very compliant media. Most of the media in this country let the government off the hook: from the Young Labour camp scandal to the Karel Sroubek case, the Derek Handley fiasco to more recently the biased speaker. Then there was the Treasury hack that wasn’t, and Trevor Mallard claiming that a parliamentary staffer was a rapist when all he did was give a colleague a hug.

Staffers, ministers and the speaker himself would have fallen on their swords – with a little assistance – under the last government, but now there is no accountability. We simply do not have the media baying for blood at each transgression like we did with the last government.

Well, maybe the worm is starting to turn. Duncan Garner has attacked the government, saying that this is the least effective government for the last 25 years.

I won’t argue with that.

Remember when Labour promised to lower the number of immigrants coming into the country?

The message to cut immigration numbers sat alongside other grandiose brain dribbles that would never happen. I recall 100,000 homes to be built, world-class cancer treatment centres, and a halving of the 70,000 immigrants that enter NZ every year.

But, the truth is, Labour told you a bunch of utter garbage, they told you what you wanted to hear – dog whistle politics to keep up with Winston Peters. But the truth is they have done diddly squat to get there.

We are back to rubber stamping immigrants into New Zealand to take the jobs in construction or whatever it is that they do and frankly, that we need.
There were 55,000 new immigrants to the year ending April 2019. We need these people, clearly.

Maybe, or maybe not, but we have nowhere for them to live, of course. Whether these immigrants are in the skilled migrant category or not, they are still not going to make the housing crisis any better.

Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway’s ideas to cut immigration can fit on the world’s smallest post-it note. In other words, he’s still hiding under his desk from the last debacle, scared to come out in case the PM is reminded how utterly useless he is.

I doubt if he has to worry too much. There is a cabinet reshuffle on the horizon, but as the talent pool for this government is as shallow as the proverbial car park puddle, I doubt if there is anyone better. That is the really sad thing in all of this.

When it comes to immigration, expect nothing to be done until Winston and his mates enter the next election period.

I am really not sure that Winston will get away with this again. He has raged on about immigration for decades, but for most of that time, he has either been in opposition, or a junior coalition partner. This time, he is the deputy prime minister and is clearly pulling a lot of strings. That he has not stemmed the flow of immigrants, while not significantly increasing the number of skilled migrants, is something he may have to address in the next campaign.

Duncan Garner is scathing. Here is how he sums up the efforts so far of this ‘transformational government’.

I’ve watched politics closely for 25 years and this government is the least effective of them all, by some margin.

Newshub.

Totally agree, Duncan. And it is not only in immigration that they are failing.

 

 

 
 

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The worst government in 25 years

by Christie 
 

We say on this blog all the time, that this government would be in a lot more trouble if it did not have a very compliant media. Most of the media in this country let the government off the hook: from the Young Labour camp scandal to the Karel Sroubek case, the Derek Handley fiasco to more recently the biased speaker. Then there was the Treasury hack that wasn’t, and Trevor Mallard claiming that a parliamentary staffer was a rapist when all he did was give a colleague a hug.

Staffers, ministers and the speaker himself would have fallen on their swords – with a little assistance – under the last government, but now there is no accountability. We simply do not have the media baying for blood at each transgression like we did with the last government.

Well, maybe the worm is starting to turn. Duncan Garner has attacked the government, saying that this is the least effective government for the last 25 years.

I won’t argue with that.

Remember when Labour promised to lower the number of immigrants coming into the country?

The message to cut immigration numbers sat alongside other grandiose brain dribbles that would never happen. I recall 100,000 homes to be built, world-class cancer treatment centres, and a halving of the 70,000 immigrants that enter NZ every year.

But, the truth is, Labour told you a bunch of utter garbage, they told you what you wanted to hear – dog whistle politics to keep up with Winston Peters. But the truth is they have done diddly squat to get there.

We are back to rubber stamping immigrants into New Zealand to take the jobs in construction or whatever it is that they do and frankly, that we need.
There were 55,000 new immigrants to the year ending April 2019. We need these people, clearly.

Maybe, or maybe not, but we have nowhere for them to live, of course. Whether these immigrants are in the skilled migrant category or not, they are still not going to make the housing crisis any better.

Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway’s ideas to cut immigration can fit on the world’s smallest post-it note. In other words, he’s still hiding under his desk from the last debacle, scared to come out in case the PM is reminded how utterly useless he is.

I doubt if he has to worry too much. There is a cabinet reshuffle on the horizon, but as the talent pool for this government is as shallow as the proverbial car park puddle, I doubt if there is anyone better. That is the really sad thing in all of this.

When it comes to immigration, expect nothing to be done until Winston and his mates enter the next election period.

I am really not sure that Winston will get away with this again. He has raged on about immigration for decades, but for most of that time, he has either been in opposition, or a junior coalition partner. This time, he is the deputy prime minister and is clearly pulling a lot of strings. That he has not stemmed the flow of immigrants, while not significantly increasing the number of skilled migrants, is something he may have to address in the next campaign.

Duncan Garner is scathing. Here is how he sums up the efforts so far of this ‘transformational government’.

I’ve watched politics closely for 25 years and this government is the least effective of them all, by some margin.

Newshub.

Totally agree, Duncan. And it is not only in immigration that they are failing.

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Leaked memo on proposed hate crime legislation

by John Black
 

The following was found in the men’s restroom of a Wellington Massage Parlour by a lady…of my acquaintance.


TOP SECRET MEMO
FOR GREEN PARTY MEMBERS ONLY.
TOPICS: HATE CRIME PROPOSALS AND HOW TO GET GLUTEN-FREE VEGAN SOY-SUBSTITUTE SAUSAGE ROLLS SERVED IN BELLAMYS


Ki Ora, Talofa, Namaste, Ni-hao, Salaam Alaikum and Helloooooo! (the recently adopted official greeting of our gay brothers and sisters.
The Green Party leadership is issuing this memo to confirm the matters discussed at our recent meeting.

First our apologies for the grim tone of the presentation on climate change entitled, ‘We are all totally F*%#ED’. A reminder to all members that we must not become too disheartened by the impending destruction of mother earth by evil mankind (not women-kind or trans-kind, they aren’t responsible). We have therefore postponed the mass protest suicides planned for the steps of parliament. They will now take place next year concurrent with the re-election of Donald Trump, weather permitting.


Concrete proposals to fight climate change were adopted:

  1. The Spokesperson for Energy and Resources will halve his classic car collection.
  2. All cow anuses will be fitted with catalytic converters.
  3. The Minister for Climate Change will begin a nationwide campaign to conserve electricity by encouraging people to make love with the lights off.
    Special thanks to the minister’s wife for suggesting the idea.
    The need for Hate Crime Legislation was discussed due to the devastating, unprovoked and outrageous attacks on our comrade, Golriz Ghahraman. And that Christchurch thing.
    Members agreed to draft a bill:
  • Guaranteeing vulnerable minorities like Maori, Muslims, LGBTQAFs and highly paid human rights lawyers protection from nasty comments by anonymous losers on the internet.
  • Acknowledging Women are just as strong and capable as men by giving them extra special legal protection from having their feelings hurt when discussing things on the internet.
  • Defending trans-rights by classing trans-women as women, unless they were born women and transitioning to men, or still identify as men because they like the way they look in a pair of Stubbies and trans-men as men unless they can’t lift 60kg and pee standing up.
  • Non-binary people will be protected by allowing them to choose their own name, age and period of history they would most like to live in. If members are confused, please see the 32-page document and special diagram drawn up by the spokesperson for Rainbow Issues.

Penalties suggested for transgressing the above included three hours in a room alone with the Minister for Climate Change listening to him speak on climate change or having the job of fixing the catalytic converters to the cows.
Members also agreed that Police time and resources should be reprioritized as follows.

  1. People being mean to people on the internet
  2. Practicing their dance steps on the police float for next year’s Hero parade.
  3. Murder, rape, burglary etc.

The spokesperson for youth affairs wished to remind everyone that love always triumphs over hate. Unless hate has better weapons and snazzier uniforms. Like the Nazis or the Empire in the first part of Star Wars, yeah the Empire really kicked ass, did anyone see The Last Jedi? I did but I didn’t really get the ending, was Luke like a ghost or what?
She then pulled up her hoody and went to sleep in the corner.

The leadership thank her for providing the meeting with her homemade chocolate brownies.
We’re still working on the sausage thing but there is a five-hour meeting planned next week to really hash it out.


Thanks, comrades.
THE GREEN LEADERSHIP

(This leaked memo is a work of fiction and is satirical.)

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Interesting commentary...note Kerry Boltons views....

Newshub’s attempted ‘shock! horror! probe!’ on ‘White Supremacy’ analysed

Last Sunday night, TV3 a.k.a. Newshub began its 6 pm TV news bulletin with a 7-minute piece by reporter Patrick Gower on the alleged threat from those who promote people from white/European/Caucasian bloodlines and don’t have a liking for certain other races.

The next two nights continued in similar fashion.

The total seems to run to 20 min 30 seconds, but you need to watch the segments separately:

Part 1.

Part 2.

Part 3.

With all the melodrama that rival TV One News manages to muster, and then some, the essence of parts 1 and 3 is that these racists — which they are by definition — are a huge threat to those they don’t like: from what is presented, primarily Muslims, then Jews.

It needs to be mentioned here that Islam is a religion only, not a race, while Judaism is both a religion and a race, but not all ethnic Jews are religious Jews, in fact quite a few are not and are either atheists, agnostics or adhere to some other religion.  Patrick Gower does not clarify that. Most of the predominately Muslim countries are in North Africa, some of sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia.

It also should be mentioned, as Mr Gower doesn’t, that among today’s crop of right wing groups there is plenty of support for Jews and Israel.  Anti-Jewish sentiment is rife among left wing groups on the other hand and the British Labour Party, for example, is full of anti-Semites — including the present leader, Jeremy Corbyn, an extremely unpleasant individual (but no doubt is adored by PM Jacinda.)

We need to ignore the melodrama of Gower’s presentation, and examine the facts (or alleged facts).

He looks exclusively in segment 1 at Phil Arps of Christchurch, an unabashed admirer of Adolf Hitler and his Nazis, but unlike the Nazis, does not like Muslims.  During World War II the Nazis actually recruited Muslims in the Balkans after they invaded in 1941 and formed them into an SS Division named Handschar. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was an open Nazi and met with Adolf Hitler.  Mr Gower doesn’t mention that, either.

In 2016, Arps and a buddy, who isn’t identified, delivered a box containing a severed pig’s head to the main Al Noor Mosque in Christchurch.  A third person obviously filmed them with a camera phone.

“White power,” Arps can be heard saying in the video. “Don’t go to a mosque often. Like I said, it should be molotovs.”  Says Mr Gower: “in Islam, pork is considered unclean and eating it is prohibited.”  In fact not only pork, but bacon and ham.  In that, Muslims have a commonality with Jews.

In another video, after his failed appeal against an offensive behaviour conviction for the above, Arps refers to Muslims and says: “Bring on the cull! Get the f***ers out. The rules are changing. White power. White f***in’ power. White power. F***in’ oi.”

But, “there is no direct link with the alleged gunman.”  So although Mr Arps and his buddies have held these attitudes for quite some time, and have made statements about what they would like to see done to Muslims — deportation in the video and, in his comments on a chatroom apparently in January 2018, shooting — they don’t appear to have done anything else, and crucially they have not directly threatened the Muslims with violence.

It’s very easy to find on the web records of equivalent statements made by Muslim extremists about those who insult their religion, where they call for beheading, ISIS-Saudi style.  Mr Gower says nothing about that; neither do hard left wingers like Jacinda and Andrew Little.

So has it been all bluster on the part of Mr Arps and his (two?) buddies? It seems so. And that’s not particularly surprising — they knew where the line is and clearly didn’t want to be convicted of anything more serious — until immediately after the March 2019 massacre when Arps distributed (presumably two or more) copies of the Facebook-streamed live video of the gunman in action and, it’s claimed, asked someone to add crosshairs and a progressive kill count.  It’s not stated if that was actually done.  In this Mr Arps was putting emotion before logic, just like Jacinda.

Mr Arps has been in custody since his arrest and the judge has ruled out home detention, he will have a jail sentence on top of what he has served so far.

Police have revealed that Arps is one of 13 people nationwide who have been arrested for sharing the video.  Only 13?  Yes.

And we’re told that there are 200+ more in NZ who allegedly have or are linked to “extreme pro-white views…and from what we’ve seen that is just a fraction”  It’s not stated what makes these views “extreme”, nor how big that “fraction” is of the total.


That’s the end of segment 1.


Segment 2 is about three “suspicious European visitors” to the Al Noor mosque, and the imam suggests that Tarrant “had help with planning.”  However, Tarrant himself said in his manifesto that he was not part of a group and even the Police agree that he acted alone.  Says Gower: “The mosque was full of worshippers when the gunman stormed in.” Actually it wasn’t: an estimate from those who have seen the video say that it appeared it had only 100-120 attendees and was far from full.

In late 2017 two “Europeans” visited the mosque and were so rude to worshippers that they were told to go. The imam says they said, “we are Muslims too and you are not Muslims and why do you come to our country?”  But the imam feared that they were pakehas radicalised by Islamic State and were reported to the Police.  The latter didn’t think it was serious.

Then we are told that there was a young radicalised Muslim who was planning an attack in Christchurch, but the imam worked with Police to “re-educate him” and during that raised concerns about mosque security. “They assured us everything is safe.”

Finally there was “another concerning visitor” not Tarrant, 3 weeks before the massacre.  “The man said he wanted to learn about Islam,” but the imam could tell he wasn’t really interested as he was looking around with his eyes. “When I asked him for his name he said ‘you can call me any name you want’. I said yes I can call you any name I want but I want your real name. He said ‘you can call me David.'”

Gower says the imam believes the man had bad intentions.  Well, possibly, but it’s also possible that he was a government spy wanting to see if there were pictures of Osama bin Laden or Al Bagdadi on the walls.


That is pretty much the end of anything notable that Gower has to say in segment 2.


Segment 3 begins with comments in an online chatroom made about Green MP Golriz Ghahraman.

“What a smart mouthed Hua [abbreviation of upokokōhua —Eds].”

“I know. It’s just nice to put them in one basket. Plus I don’t have a rayciss (sic) word for Iranians anyway lol.”

Then they start joking about hanging her like a lynch mob:

“Get the rope lol.”

“She’ll make a fantastic chandelier.”

“I need a new lamp.”

It ends with:

“I can’t wait to see her on the streets.”

Well, there are plenty of political protests in the world that show effigies of politicians being hanged or burned, Mr Gower — is this such a big deal?  Gower then says: “there is much worse than this that we have decided not to use.”  Ah, how do we know that “it was much worse” if we’re not told what it is?  One would expect that to support your stance in all this that you would report it, Mr Gower.

Then the piece turns to American users of the website 8chan :-

“Newshub saw content posted by an American user boasting about getting a visit from the FBI.

“The reason for the visit: he posted to social media about the Christchurch attacks.

“[Tarrant] has already inspired a copycat. The shooting of Jews at a synagogue in San Diego in April that left one dead was allegedly carried out by an 8Chan user, 19-year-old John Earnest.” One?  Bad in itself, of course, but hardly comparable to what Tarrant did.

Next, Gower introduces Ben Elley, “an expert on the far right online; he says many people find it exciting to be radicalised.

“It’s an exciting world view to take on, it’s a bit scary but it’s heroic from their perspective,” he told Newshub.

‘Much of the messaging on 8Chan is based around memes or internet jokes with a sinister edge.’

‘Newshub found New Zealand-based content that showed a fake ‘tourist map’ of the Christchurch shooting. It called the alleged gunman a “saint” and signed off as being from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade. It even had the “100% Pure” tourism logo. ‘

OK, not nice, tasteless, but hardly seditious.

Finally, we get a little bit of real insight:

Elley says plenty of Kiwis indulge in hate speech online, and teenagers are particularly attracted to the far right.

But 8Chan users are difficult to trace and banning such sites won’t work. Firstly, users are tech-savvy and will access them anyway.

But more importantly, we run the risk of making it a lot more exciting.

“It’s already a place where people go for transgressive humour, and by banning it we’re only making it more appealing in a lot of ways,” Elley says.

The thing that matters, though, is this a precursor to them actually doing anything?  From the evidence that is available, in nearly all cases, no.  Nearly all terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims, who think by dying in a suicide bombing their god will reward them with 72 virgins in paradise.  These racists, on the other hand, don’t have such notions and probably don’t want to end up being killed, or serving long jail sentences.


The end of anything notable in segment 3.


Comment from right wing politics specialist Kerry Bolton PhD (who says he is pro-Arab, pro-Muslim):

The tragedy of the Christchurch mosque shootings has been cynically used to advance political agendas and aggrandise egos. The most apparent agenda is to introduce legislation banning so-called ‘hate speech’ as a means of suppressing opinions contrary to liberal and globalist aims. We have already seen for 50 years how the race relations and human rights legislation has been implemented in a thoroughly biased manner. The other major agenda is to suppress illiberal opinions on social media, under the guise of suppressing ‘extremism’. 

In fact, social media has long suppressed opinions that do not coincide with what is commonly referred to as political correctness, and it simply requires a complaint from some supposedly offended good citizen to have material suppressed without explanation or appeal. Facebook accounts have been closed, PayPal accounts terminated, books purged from retailer Amazon. 

The TV series by Patrick Gower supposedly exposing ‘white supremacy’ on social media in New Zealand was presumably intended to assist in laying the groundwork for suppressing debate on such issues as the U.N. Global Compact on Migration, and other policies based around liberal and globalist dogma. Another aim would have been to reinforce the collective guilt complex imposed on those of European descent. 

One might also ask whether Mr. Gower is trying to mitigate the fool he made of himself, due to his arrogance, in attempting to ‘expose’ Lauren Southern and Stephen Molyneux. Indeed Mr. Gower, has alluded to his humiliating performance.

Mr. Gower has failed to present the existence of any threat posed by ‘white supremacists’ in New Zealand. In this he is joined by Stuff and other media outlets who have sought out and failed to find such a threat, despite the efforts of several supposed ‘academic experts’, at least one of whom has made a career out of such scaremongering.  

The only tangible example has been the Dominion Movement, a youth group that undertook hiking, camping, tramping, boxing, and posted well-researched articles on New Zealand history. Police have sought them out on the basis of nothing at all, because police have been given a blacklist in a pointless exercise in attempting to find local connections with Tarrant. It is possibly this same police list, leaked to the media, which might have found its way into the possession of an Extreme Left group, obligingly promoted on The Project, as though it is a laudable community organisation.  If this is the case, the police should be held accountable, especially given the highly emotive atmosphere that has been maintained by the media. 

In this media generated witch-hunt the words ‘white supremacist’, ‘Identitarianism’, ‘neo-Nazism’, ‘Fascism’, ‘alt-Right’, ‘far Right’, ‘extreme Right’ and ‘New Right’, have all been conflated into a vast and violent conspiracy. At no time has there been any effort to define the terms; and New Zealand academics are no less useless at any such chore as any hack journalist. 

‘Right-wing’ is carelessly used to describe Don Brash, the National Party, ACT, skinheads, the National Front, Winston Peters,  libertarians, the KKK. Could it also be used to describe the Dalai Lama when he said ‘Europe is for the Europeans’? Perhaps he is a skinhead? The association of the ‘Right’ with Nazism and white supremacy is as tenuous as associating the Labour Party with the Khmer Rouge. Where academics are confounded, one might, however, readily define the ‘Right’ by reading the poems of W. B. Yeats, rather than the treatises of either Hitler, Tarrant, or Adam Smith.

That Tarrant did not have associations with any New Zealand groups or individuals is indicated by the banality of Mr Gower’s efforts. Moreover, if he had, it is quite certain that someone would have ‘spilled the beans’ on him by trying to big-name himself on social media. But Mr. Gower found nothing tangible, and nor have the police.  

Some posturing fool delivering a pig’s head to a mosque amounts to zilch, and there were already laws to deal with him, without redefining ‘free speech’ Orwellian style. That Islamophobia exists owes more to the well-funded and influential network of mostly U.S.-based neocons, who have no ideological or historical association with the ‘Right’. One might ask whether Mr. Gower and the police will expand their inquiries to include those in the NZ First Party, or Ian Wishart, editor of Investigate, who have been referring to ‘jihadists in the neighbourhood’ type scenarios with far more influence and for far longer than any handful of ‘white power’ miscreants.  But then, easy scapegoats are required.

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Bloke loves these:

Mike Hosking: The Government's big issue - can it tell the truth or hold a line?

The tricky thing with the teachers' deal is it's hard to call it a loss, given it isn't. Especially if you're a teacher: for teachers it's a big and good win.

Because $90,000 as a maximum base is a good wage in anyone's book, and I doubt there are many of us that would begrudge that. Most of us seem to agree teachers, by and large, are underpaid and overworked.

Not all, of course, and that's the bit that some of us struggle with. I'd happily pay the good teachers $150,000 because they're worth it; the same way some aren't worth the $90,000 because the attitude is wrong and the skills are lacking.

But that's unionism for you. All for one and one for all, and it's also a big win for them. It is a reinforcement that placards and strikes work.

Which is why the Government's role in this is the part that is a very poor loss. They went into this particular leg of industrial unrest having created a reputation of being soft, they, in opposition, had built up expectation, and when they arrived in office, in came the claims.

And most of them have been met. There have been very large wage rises handed out, and as a result the next in line feel emboldened, and up go the numbers.

Chris Hipkins said a very large number of times $1.2 billion was it. He said it to me personally, when I asked him whether, hand on heart, that was true. He said it was. Turns out it wasn't.

Which is the part that damages him and his Government. Yes, negotiations are about positions and standing your ground, but only if you stand your ground. This Government are known as soft touches who can be bullied into submission.

There was some suggestion at the weekend that this was a good move by the Government, that Hipkins showed his skill and worth as one of Cabinet's top players.

What tosh. He wrote a cheque using our money. That's not skill, that's caving, folding, buckling, giving up, and acquiescing. Any industrial dispute ever started is always wrapped up with money. Adding more money isn't a skill, especially adding other peoples' money.

In excess of a quarter of a billion dollars is a sop to make a headache go away, and any one of us could have done that.

So the unions know what? Make enough noise and the prize is yours. When they say final offer, it isn't. When they say there is no more, that's not true. Strikes work, and this lot are soft.

Yes, you've got to happy for the teachers. But we now have a major issue over the Government's ability to tell the truth, hold a line, show backbone, and be good guardians of our money.

 

 

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A Long List of Failures and Scandals

by GP
 

The Labour-led coalition government has amassed an impressively long list of failures and scandals, considering the length of time they have been in power.

Failures and scandals

  • The Sroubek drug dealer deportation affair
  • The appointment of the speaker on day one
  • Airforce $1B purchase of Hercules with no tender
  • $10 visits to the Doctor
  • Twyford and Parker meet with Goff in a ‘secret meeting’
  • Jenny Marcroft’s attempt to bully Mark Mitchell
  • Shane Jones’s conflict of interest in the far North
  • Kermadec marine sanctuary
  • A lobbyist in the PM’s office who does not declare his clients
  • Kiwibuild recalibrate/reset/retreat/resign
  • Charter schools terminated
  • Child Poverty
  • Immigration
  • Capital Gains Tax
  • Trains
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  • Trees
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  • No more taxes
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  • Pike River
  • Speaker of the House
  • Oil and Gas Industry
  • Free Speech
  • Open and Transparent government
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  • No lies
  • Labour Youth Camp
  • Homelessness
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  • Fees Free
  • Transformative Government
  • Elective Surgery
  • Economic Growth
  • Business Confidence
  • Mental Health Inquiry
  • Understanding America
  • Budget Responsibility Rules
  • Crime Stats
  • Bullying and Harassment Report
  • Dunedin Hospital
  • Repeal of criminal three strikes policy
  • Claire Curran
  • Meka Whaitiri
  • 2019 Budget ‘Hack’
  • Firearms buy-back
  • Trevor Mallard
  • Phil Twyford
  • Grant Robertson 2019 Budget
  • Golriz Ghahraman
  • Ian Lees Galloway
  • Road Safety Budget

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On 6/19/2019 at 7:11 PM, Littletramp said:

Possibly why National has been holding off with replacing Simon Bridges. Luxon straight into Prime Minister and Nicola Willis can replace Paula Benefit as Deputy.

Cutting it a bit fine I would have thought , firstly he has to win an electorate which won't be a problem and I guess much can happen after the . Good to see he has been involved with Key so his apprenticeship will be complete when election arrive . Clearly the hype around this guy just proves National supporters would like change at the top and if it happens , next time National will win by a landslide , we currently have the worst government in NZ history , todays F/Ups again confirm this .

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Todays F/UPS , first the gun buy back , owners offered the WHOLESALE  value of guns in new order , I note they are using the term BASE price not wholesale , they are the same .

I  have no doubt you can harm plenty to people with a 20 year old gun so if the intention is to prevent harm then paying mean prices will guarantee hunters hide their guns . Also no  extra value for collectable guns which like most guns can cause severe harm . It should be noted the most utilised gun in recent times to commit murder is the common old 22 . While I  have no problem with tidying up gun laws it should be remembered that not one NZer was involved in any aspect of this horrific crime so fair value should be paid . 

F/UP no 2 , the inquiry into the NZ army and Afghanistan village killings , it turns out there were plenty of taliban in the village , the co author of the book has confirmed this today but cindy has refused to stop the inquiry and the other co author (hager) now on the government payroll is continuing to encourage this costly , reputation damaging and NOW pointless investigation  .

Where's cindy's leadership , that's right she's out of her depth so don't expect any logical decision any time soon .

 

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On ‎6‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 1:46 PM, rdytdy said:

 

The rest of the world is waking up. The globalists are being taken apart in recent elections across the globe. Let's hope the public here wake up also.  

don't you even know who the Globalists are?

 

Key/English and their open economy,U.S lapdogs...with the NSA down here every month.

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