Mardy 475 Report post Posted July 17, 2017 Did I read somewhere that this will now be out on a Thursday? .Not sure if I read it,or imagined it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,425 Report post Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Mardy said: Did I read somewhere that this will now be out on a Thursday? .Not sure if I read it,or imagined it. It is out on a Thursday Mardy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharne 240 Report post Posted July 17, 2017 the one thing i miss now is most of the jockeys are missing maybe nztr could look at this Los Lobos 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted July 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, sharne said: the one thing i miss now is most of the jockeys are missing maybe nztr could look at this As from the 1st August the rider declaration time has been brought forward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseman 807 Report post Posted July 18, 2017 Sorry 'The Informant' I have stopped buying now after you new layout...2 main reasons.. 1. In the racing form book it is very fuzzy to read now ..specially in the track conditions/dist/wins/places/fresh up/2nd up. etc. It seems not as bold print and harder to read. 2. No Thursday trackwork..! (obviously with new sell date) Big shame how you've changed for the worst..i would rather pay an extra 50c to $1 more to keep the good quality you did have. Now its back to the 'best bets' for clear reading and own research for trackwork. Big shame as I was a committed guaranteed purchaser every week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted July 18, 2017 Go to Specsavers!! mooseman 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooseman 807 Report post Posted July 19, 2017 5 hours ago, eljay said: Go to Specsavers!! Aren't they those small spare tyres in the boot.... ... ... ... ... gary1 and jess 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted September 2, 2017 Can someone tell me why there are many "jockeys" missing in the Informant. I was led to believe as of 1/8/17 all jockey declarations had to be in to meet printing deadlines. Very frustrating when you are doing your study and so many gaps. And secondly, why does the Informant not identify balloted runners? Are we supposed to guess form weights allocated to those near the bottom of the field. Example. last race Hastings. I assume 16 starters allowed but how would you know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,944 Report post Posted September 2, 2017 1 hour ago, chevy86 said: Can someone tell me why there are many "jockeys" missing in the Informant. I was led to believe as of 1/8/17 all jockey declarations had to be in to meet printing deadlines. Very frustrating when you are doing your study and so many gaps. And secondly, why does the Informant not identify balloted runners? Are we supposed to guess form weights allocated to those near the bottom of the field. Example. last race Hastings. I assume 16 starters allowed but how would you know? Some very good points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted September 2, 2017 I cancelled the Informant last year because NZPost did not deliver it until Saturday lunch-time! (no use when Friday gone and Saturday races underway) Now it comes Thursday morning by courier but Friday morning would be fine if it meant getting the "full" details! Hopefully Denis and the team read "cafe" and reply and/or take some action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Informant 16 Report post Posted September 3, 2017 On 9/2/2017 at 9:13 PM, chevy86 said: I cancelled the Informant last year because NZPost did not deliver it until Saturday lunch-time! (no use when Friday gone and Saturday races underway) Now it comes Thursday morning by courier but Friday morning would be fine if it meant getting the "full" details! Hopefully Denis and the team read "cafe" and reply and/or take some action. On 9/2/2017 at 4:25 PM, chevy86 said: Can someone tell me why there are many "jockeys" missing in the Informant. I was led to believe as of 1/8/17 all jockey declarations had to be in to meet printing deadlines. Very frustrating when you are doing your study and so many gaps. And secondly, why does the Informant not identify balloted runners? Are we supposed to guess form weights allocated to those near the bottom of the field. Example. last race Hastings. I assume 16 starters allowed but how would you know? Thanks for the feedback Chevy, Emergency runners are marked in the front of a meeting within the fields, however you are right to point out that previously they were also marked within the expanded form. We are working to get this updated over the coming weeks so punters can easily note the emergency ballots. We are currently running just under 90% of jockeys for most domestic meetings and expect that as the change of declaration times becomes the new norm we will see a further increase in the amount of declared riders at the time of publication. regards, Matthew chevy86 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,425 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 2 hours ago, The Informant said: Thanks for the feedback Chevy, Emergency runners are marked in the front of a meeting within the fields, however you are right to point out that previously they were also marked within the expanded form. We are working to get this updated over the coming weeks so punters can easily note the emergency ballots. We are currently running just under 90% of jockeys for most domestic meetings and expect that as the change of declaration times becomes the new norm we will see a further increase in the amount of declared riders at the time of publication. regards, Matthew Thank you Matthew for being involved here. Because we know a lot of stakeholders that say they do not read this site do. So nice to see the participation. Thank you. sharne 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 Thanks Mathew--that jockey issue is important but I guess there needs to be co-operation from trainers also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 2 hours ago, The Informant said: Thanks for the feedback Chevy, Emergency runners are marked in the front of a meeting within the fields, however you are right to point out that previously they were also marked within the expanded form. We are working to get this updated over the coming weeks so punters can easily note the emergency ballots. We are currently running just under 90% of jockeys for most domestic meetings and expect that as the change of declaration times becomes the new norm we will see a further increase in the amount of declared riders at the time of publication. regards, Matthew Matthew, Is there any likelihood of any article appearing even just slightly critical of the Racing Board? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,825 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 23 minutes ago, slam dunk said: Matthew, Is there any likelihood of any article appearing even just slightly critical of the Racing Board? Or questioning the apparent promotion of Sports at the expense of Racing....?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 40 minutes ago, slam dunk said: Matthew, Is there any likelihood of any article appearing even just slightly critical of the Racing Board? Have you not read Brian de Lore's articles? shaneMcAlister 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 Surely if you're going to criticise the NZRB you must proportion far more blame to NZTR. The NZRB is only interpreting the Racing Act as they see fit ( I agree the Act is a pig but that's what NZTR agreed to in 2003 ) It's NZTR and their board that's allowed this erosion to happen without offering resistance, and it's NZTR that's failed to invest in this code and failed to develop cohesive policies and strategies to grow the industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, rdytdy said: Have you not read Brian de Lore's articles? Ok have now. Perhaps I should subscribe. Still Ohokaman has got a point. Afterthought. Why is Midget so pro NZRB??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 2 hours ago, slam dunk said: Ok have now. Perhaps I should subscribe. Still Ohokaman has got a point. Afterthought. Why is Midget so pro NZRB??? Midget is not pro the NZRB, he just happens to understand the Racing Act and its interpretation. Responsibility for this code lies with NZTR, and the industry has been in steady decline under the NZTR watch. In addition the Racing Act was written in conjunction with people who still lurk around NZTR, amongst others Chittick and Acklin, so if they couldn't see the dangers of emasculating our code then, and the current regime can't see the danger in The Racefields legislation now, how can you blame anyone but them ? The two most significant advances in NZ racing since 2003 were 1) Fairtax, introduced by Winston, engineered by a lobby group, with no NZTR involvement other than that they wasted the entire proceeds. 2) The second event of significance was the crisis meeting on million dollar night this year. NZTR was there but completely stuffed it up with incorrect information about a non existent offer from Tabcorp. However, the Trainers Assn was there, with implied threats to disrupt racing, the NZRB then panicked and agreed to the extra funding we're now seeing being wasted by NZTR again. My position is that a NZTR and Alan Jackson don't do anything useful, it's just more of the same with them, wasting money on stakes when there's zero evidence increased stakes increase participation, and they seem unable to morph this industry into something relevant. If I'm wrong just tell me two things, what has NZTR done in the last 14 years that's been good for NZ racing and those who derive a living from the game ? And secondly, what has Alan Jackson ever done that warrants any hope being invested in him as an industry leader ? These are serious questions, I've asked them here many times, and I'm still waiting for an answer that suggests my interpretation of the situation is incorrect or unreasonable. hedley and Leggy 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 NZRB are killing the Golden Goose and NZTR have no power to change that. Too late to go on strike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 37 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: NZRB are killing the Golden Goose and NZTR have no power to change that. Too late to go on strike. Never too late but hard to organise. The problem is the Trainers Assn was effectively bought off long ago when NZTR took over their finances, and if any effective action was to be undertaken against the NZRB interpretation of the Racing Act it'd need the trainers cooperation and support, but they're reeally just puppets now, albeit expensive puppets. Who else could take disruptive action ? Owners, too disorganised, punters, no coordinated representation, breeders, why would they....jockeys, no reason to.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Midget said: If I'm wrong just tell me two things, what has NZTR done in the last 14 years that's been good for NZ racing and those who derive a living from the game ? And secondly, what has Alan Jackson ever done that warrants any hope being invested in him as an industry leader ? These are serious questions, I've asked them here many times, and I'm still waiting for an answer that suggests my interpretation of the situation is incorrect or unreasonable. OK. I'll tell you. 14 years ago, NZ racing was essentially self-sufficient based on earnings from wagering on domestic product. In a quest for higher stakes, mostly driven by breeder desire to sustain stakes for the best horses, and international pattern race status, NZTR has ignored the development and the sustainability of the domestic product, increasingly relying on revenue from other sources; primarily government largess, sports betting, wagering on overseas racing product, and more recently pokies. I have warned here and elsewhere for some years that racing is not entitled to those sources of revenue and that once sports and the public taxpayer wake up, with the stroke of a legislator's pen, those revenue sources can be returned to sports and the taxpayer where they belong. The chickens are coming home to roost and the hapless NZTR boards and management in the meantime have totally failed to do any of the necessary things to make their own product an attractive and self sustaining wagering product. In a nutshell, that's what NZTR have done in the last 14 years. hedley, La Zip and shaneMcAlister 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 I cannot argue with you..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 28 minutes ago, hesi said: Very well summarised in a paragraph or two, thanks. I would add in, that NZTR as a national body, don't seem to have a lot of power, mainly an admin body from what i can see. The clubs are an entity to themselves, doing what they like within reason, certainly not unified by the national body No I would argue differently. NZTR grew from the Racing Conference. All they were and still are is a regulatory body. I think far too many have got some notion they are a company with control over everything. This setup may solve the structure. Break away Trackside from TAB put under control 3 codes but a degree of independance. Includes all media and marketing. No duplication of services. Slim down TAB so it just does wagering. Get rid of high salaries. Tell NZ Sport jump in the lake and let local clubs interact with local sport. Shift NZTR to Ellerslie racecourse slim it down as well. Create a new entity grouping the physical assets of the clubs and get it acting like a proper company with land sales, purchases, leases etc and sharing resources includes human resources. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,865 Report post Posted September 4, 2017 Blah blah here we go again...making noise in here does SFA get it out onto the racecourses or nothing will ever change...JMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...