RaceCafe..#1...Tipsters Thread.... Share Your Fancies For Fun...Lets See Who The Best Tipsters Here Are.
Abernant

wellington races weather

Recommended Posts

 Not sure you'll ever see me defending the  Ellerslie track Insider, I'm totally in to Avondale as the best track in this area.

Where I defend Ellerslie is their bank balance, their collateral revenue streams, business acumen, real estate developments, and their future prospects.

If it matters I think their track is rubbish, but it's still far better than Trentham.

You guys need help, but you're like the local drunken alcoholic, you can't see that you're sick and you still think you're doing ok, so there's no point in trying to help you until you accept that you have a problem.

Go have a look in the mirror, ask the hard questions and be honest with yourself Liz.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

59 minutes ago, Leggy said:

For a reason. A complete and total lack of investment in tracks going on 30 years now. $24m being borrowed on a prayer. All wasted on stakes. Meanwhile, betting interest, turnover and revenue on NZ racing remain in a tailspin. Brilliant stuff. You get what you pay for.

Clearly you don't own a horse. Owners have been taking it up the arse for years & still do to a significant degree.  The money is not wasted on stakes, it goes some way to looking after the poor bastards who funds the bloody show.

Yes I know that tracks, infrastructure, the punter, jockeys and trainers have also taken it up the bum for years because of shitful mismanagement, you might struggle to understand this but increasing stakes filters to Owners, Trainers & Jockeys. Now if you are suggesting the borrowed money would be better spent on tracks or infrastructure you are in lala land, you can have the nicest facilities, surfaces etc but its no farking good if no one wants to race a horse on it. No business looking to resurrect itself spends money in this area, it spends on its core group first, & in racing's case its Owners, Punters, Trainers & Jockeys.

This business is in a tailspin downwards & the last thing you would do is try and improve something that is not going to add a single $ to your take, at least throwing some money at the core group of 4 above as I suggest gives some hope. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Trentham in winter.

It used to be the place where the tough bastards got going.  Tough bastards sired by the likes of Contact, Kurdistan, Red Jester and Head Hunter.  But it has proven terribly uneconomic to breed tough bastards these days.  And one of the reasons is that when conditions suit the tough ones, the administrators pull the pin.

Somebody commented that Wellington has had bad weather recently.  Wellington has bad weather 360 days of the year.  The other five days are what makes it the most beautiful city in the world.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Guest 2Admin2
40 minutes ago, barryb said:

Clearly you don't own a horse. Owners have been taking it up the arse for years & still do to a significant degree.  The money is not wasted on stakes, it goes some way to looking after the poor bastards who funds the bloody show.

Yes I know that tracks, infrastructure, the punter, jockeys and trainers have also taken it up the bum for years because of shitful mismanagement, you might struggle to understand this but increasing stakes filters to Owners, Trainers & Jockeys. Now if you are suggesting the borrowed money would be better spent on tracks or infrastructure you are in lala land, you can have the nicest facilities, surfaces etc but its no farking good if no one wants to race a horse on it. No business looking to resurrect itself spends money in this area, it spends on its core group first, & in racing's case its Owners, Punters, Trainers & Jockeys.

This business is in a tailspin downwards & the last thing you would do is try and improve something that is not going to add a single $ to your take, at least throwing some money at the core group of 4 above as I suggest gives some hope. 

What's the point of better stakes when you don't have a track to race on safely?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Huey said:

Disappointing but understandable, I just wish they'd find a place to hold the Parliamentary and Whyte Handicaps, both time honoured winter classics in my view.

Sadly I don't think anyone gives much of a stuff about tradition these days.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, Tauhei Notts said:

Trentham in winter.

It used to be the place where the tough bastards got going.  Tough bastards sired by the likes of Contact, Kurdistan, Red Jester and Head Hunter.  But it has proven terribly uneconomic to breed tough bastards these days.  And one of the reasons is that when conditions suit the tough ones, the administrators pull the pin.

Somebody commented that Wellington has had bad weather recently.  Wellington has bad weather 360 days of the year.  The other five days are what makes it the most beautiful city in the world.

Remember Cuss Tauhei ? ... now he loved the Trentham mud :)  if his nose got any lower when he ran it would have been dipped in it :)

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said:

What's the point of better stakes when you don't have a track to race on safely?

The point is, No Owners, No Racing. Regardless of what the track looks like.

I am not suggesting we ignore fixing tracks which are clearly shagged across the country, but expected today's owners to keep taking it up the arse in an effort to repair f-ups of the past is unfair and unsustainable.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Leggy said:

For a reason. A complete and total lack of investment in tracks going on 30 years now. $24m being borrowed on a prayer. All wasted on stakes. Meanwhile, betting interest, turnover and revenue on NZ racing remain in a tailspin. Brilliant stuff. You get what you pay for.

I don't think money is wasted on stakes. I do think the distribution of stakes is poor. Stakes is pretty much a short term view. The industry is trying to keep ticking over by increasing stakes so we can survive for another year. A forward thinking industry would be revitalising existing tracks and building new tracks as they do in Australia. I suppose to some extent we can't afford that luxury.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, We're Doomed said:

I don't think money is wasted on stakes. I do think the distribution of stakes is poor. Stakes is pretty much a short term view. The industry is trying to keep ticking over by increasing stakes so we can survive for another year. A forward thinking industry would be revitalising existing tracks and building new tracks as they do in Australia. I suppose to some extent we can't afford that luxury.

A forward thinking profitable industry would be doing as you suggest, yes. however an industry shagged and close to its last legs & looking to resurrect itself doesn't f--k over the very people who ensure its day to day survival. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Huey said:

Disappointing but understandable, I just wish they'd find a place to hold the Parliamentary and Whyte Handicaps, both time honoured winter classics in my view.

You might be interested to know Huey that 30 years ago the Whyte was worth $45,000 and the Parliamentary was worth $50,000. At the same time the Winter Cup at Riccarton was $50,000. Now the Winter Cup has staggered its way to $100,000 while the Whyte and Parliamentary have gone backwards to $40,000. Shows probably what importance the Wgtn RC places in tradition and how poorly the club is performing. Can you imagine any other "sport" where the value of an event has dropped 25% over 30 years.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:

A forward thinking industry would be revitalising existing tracks and building new tracks as they do in Australia. 

Are you are talking about Eagle Farm, Randwick, possibly Flemington? 

Maybe we should get their track designers over here? 

Yeah right!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:

You might be interested to know Huey that 30 years ago the Whyte was worth $45,000 and the Parliamentary was worth $50,000. At the same time the Winter Cup at Riccarton was $50,000. Now the Winter Cup has staggered its way to $100,000 while the Whyte and Parliamentary have gone backwards to $40,000. Shows probably what importance the Wgtn RC places in tradition and how poorly the club is performing. Can you imagine any other "sport" where the value of an event has dropped 25% over 30 years.

The two above mentioned races actually dropped too 25 k each a couple of years ago .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, Insider said:

Are you are talking about Eagle Farm, Randwick, possibly Flemington? 

Maybe we should get their track designers over here? 

Yeah right!

I was actually thinking of Pakenham, which cost about $70 million for the whole complex, Geelong, Newcastle, who spent $11 million on the track itself, and Caloundra which is one of my favourite tracks. Pakenham races about 50 times a year, Caloundra every week.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry BarryB, I have to disagree but also ( :) )agree with your statement, "Without Owners there's no etc etc...". It's the old story Pal. You need Owners for sure but you need Punters also. It's the old chicken and egg quandary. Which comes first?  The punters provide "All" or "Most" of the revenue. You need Breeders, Trainers, Jockeys, Administrators, Tracks, Facilities etc etc. It's not a matter of "Who's more Important", it's about jellying it into one, cohesive, workable business model, with each facet complementing the others. There's no point in pinning your banner just to Stakes. You're correct and I understand your thinking, but it has to fit in with the overall picture. No point having a canvas if you have no paints - and vice versa. Clearly, there are huge problems that need addressing in NZ Racing. Infrastructure is just one example, stakes another. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Certainly don't disagree with you at all Trump. Punters are vitally important for sure and have been largely ignored for decades.

The reason I focus on owners is they fit across all spectrums of the industry, (Punters, Trainers, Admin, Breeders, Jockeys and so on) ignore them and you ignore everyone. Pay them more and most of the money will filter through most sectors of the industry and be re-invested in it.

Owners by and large are the saviours of on-course racing today & yep we all know on-course is a dead duck esp at this time of year, however to degrade further the on-course experience for owners will raise the white flag.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The interesting thing is, punters can bet on Australian, Hong Kong and S'pore race meetings. All excellent products. They probably don't need NZ racing - unless they want to attend on Saturdays (a dieing breed outside carnivals). But it is a sustainable Industry that forms part of the economic fabric of NZ, providing employment, taxes, entertainment, etc. It's for these reasons that both the Govt and NZTR(NZRB?) should share an awareness of the huge opportunities available and capitalise on them. No pretending you know everything, employing your weaknesses and having a clear pathway with that single goal  in mind. ie, To have a viable, profitable, sustainable Industry, within which all participants are enjoying a livelihood. It's a big ask, but certainly some radical change is needed if the Industry is to thrive. The current costing model would be a good starting point. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A beautiful sunny day in the capital and the track at Trentham should be good to go.

There was no general flooding in the area so I am still at a loss as to why the track got so bad.

Does anyone know how it is today?????????????????

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, barryb said:

Te Rapa today sums up the situation perfectly.

1500079120177-1322462499.jpg

Those hardy souls at the pic-nic table deserve a $20 betting voucher each...C,mon TAB, these promotion opportunities are dwindling.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.