Rangipo 17 Report post Posted April 17, 2017 There has been talk around Auckland Greyhounds for years about running some middle distance races say 400 metres for greyhounds, makes sense as not all dogs are sprinters or distance dogs, in horse racing we have 1000, 1200, 1400, 1600, 2000, 2200, 2400 & 3200m, however at Auckland Greyhounds on a normal day we just have the two distances, 315 & 527m. It would make life more interesting for the punters and trainers who could then set their dogs up for these races, as some dogs are more suited for these type of middle distance races. Just like horses some are more suited to 1600m or 2000m Cox Plate type races ie Sunline, some are more suited to sprinting races ie Black Caviar, and some are more suited to 3200m like Maykabe Diva? Food for thought? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted April 17, 2017 I remember at Shellbourne Park in Ireland being surprised at three sets of boxes and two winning posts so they could actually race over six different distances. All the boxes are permantly in place in the centre of the track and are hydraullicaly lifted into place on the tack and quickly removed back to the centre once the race starts. Certainly adds to the interest and variety to the punter. On the night in Question though there was not one race under 400m Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 203 Report post Posted April 17, 2017 Didn't Palmy just have a 410 race for the first time? Is 400m the official cutoff between sprint and middle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted April 17, 2017 45 minutes ago, DC9 said: Didn't Palmy just have a 410 race for the first time? Is 400m the official cutoff between sprint and middle? 457 is the official cut off now. Anything under is deemed a sprint DC9 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 203 Report post Posted April 17, 2017 If they created an ' in between' distance at Auckland, I think that might require a chute being built on the bend just past the winning post? alltheway!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 5 hours ago, alltheway!!! said: 457 is the official cut off now. Anything under is deemed a sprint where did you get that info form Jake as I thought it was anything over 400 was a middle distance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 and I'm not saying your wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lad27 404 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 . Follow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 54 minutes ago, Joe blogs said: and I'm not saying your wrong https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thedogs.co.nz/Files/Downloads/AMENDMENTS%20TO%20RULES%20OF%20RACING%20DEC%202016.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiNgL_joa3TAhUJspQKHU73D-gQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNEH0N2Pq1wLSTl_Wwp7eGtZ8kyg3Q&sig2=kt_FzIc2OZoWwyMOxpL2HQ Rule 50.1 was amended by clubs december 2016, the amendments are in that PDF link Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 your right wonder why they done that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangipo 17 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 Who gives a rats a*** whether it's termed a sprint race or not I just think Auckland Greyhound Racing should seriously consider having middle distance races as not all dogs are sprinters and not all dogs are distance dogs, it would make racing at Manukau more interesting for the trainers, owners & punters. Can someone tell me whether it is practical to have middle distance races at Manukau or is in the all too hard basket? Slim Shady 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Symes 124 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 22 hours ago, alltheway!!! said: 457 is the official cut off now. Anything under is deemed a sprint Thats a new one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, Rangipo said: Who gives a rats a*** whether it's termed a sprint race or not I just think Auckland Greyhound Racing should seriously consider having middle distance races as not all dogs are sprinters and not all dogs are distance dogs, it would make racing at Manukau more interesting for the trainers, owners & punters. Can someone tell me whether it is practical to have middle distance races at Manukau or is in the all too hard basket? Jimmy, you have to get up to speed mate. They run middle distance races at Auckland every week they are the 527 races. They also have the ability to run distance races which fit into two categories firstly pseudo distance races over 603m and the real deal over 779m. I will excuse you for not knowing this as they only race over the real deal whenever there is a blue moon. Thus you now see the problem, the public love the real deal races yet few training dogs know how to produce them. therefore people do give a rats arse about races that are sprints. There is a push within the industry to provide staying races and that is good, however the dog population seems to be getting weaker and the majority of them are as likely to run 779m as the Greens are likely to win the next election so many share your view that we shoul;d cater for the so called flea's we now find ourselves inundated with. I think this is called a dicotomy. Mikey Ngati Porou Rangipo, aquaman, Slim Shady and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangipo 17 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 Mikey thanks for educating me just had a mate saying there should be some 400m races at Auckland because his dogs are too slow for 318 and are not strong enough for the 527 guess we are going the same way as the Aussie Horse Racing Industry, breeding sprinters and letting the stayers go to the dogs, at least there are a few like Arch Lawrence around who are trying to keep staying races alive here in NZ, I'll discuss it further in the Turangi Hotel tonight while having a pint Jimmy. uddes 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 203 Report post Posted April 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Rangipo said: Who gives a rats a*** whether it's termed a sprint race or not Probably only the owners and trainers. Big stake money differential. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racing84 254 Report post Posted April 20, 2017 400m racing on 2-turn tracks in Australia is rather ugly. Ipswich, the Gardens, Gosford, Casino, Lismore, Richmond etc, it's basically dodgem cars. It's bad to punt on, and I can only assume that the high amount of interference results in more injuries. I'd rather bet on a shorter race which starts at the end of a straight than a longer race starting on a bend. BackPoonDrinkGoon 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Shady 479 Report post Posted April 20, 2017 There was talk of this a few years ago at akl. As stated its a major undertaking to reconstruct the outside fence and build the runway. Im probably going to get boo'd off for this one but the same suggestion could be made for a 320mtr (odd) distance at cambridge, would most certainly ease the burdon in the grades that need it and its not a major undertaking at that track...could result in 15 races per meeting week in week out too.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 203 Report post Posted April 24, 2017 So was the 410 start introduced in the CD an attempt to turn sprints into middle distance races stakes wise, but the plan got headed off at the pass? Sounds like a conspiracy theory but so do a lot of other things in greyhound racing.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...