TOM(the other Molloy) 1,774 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 Just see on Stuff no reduction in the ban. I guess it is not unexpected but seems a bit of a tough penalty to me. Bet(excuse the pun!) D Oliver is pleased he got caught under the old rule vanturk1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zelda kratchanova 2 501 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 Banstand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger42 6 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 It would be one of the worst decisions in racing I've seen for a long time. I don't care what the rule states. The circumstances are such that it's not really a big deal if a deal at all. The severity of the punishment totally outweighs the crime. Oliver should've got life under the old rules, what would he get under the new ones? death by firing squad? There has always been that underlying theory that the Stewards love Oliver however. If they don't want jockeys betting on horses, then they should amend the rule from a mandatory 2 year ban. Too a rule where a sufficient ban is handed down determined by the circumstances. That way there can be a bit of wriggle room for situations like this. It's just a farce at the moment. GOM, Lloyd Vivian and THE TORCH 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawiboy 16 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 With J Mac's income,wasn't he being a bit greedy for the sake of $3000 profit.But one the bloody aussies will have over the kiwi's. Phantom 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 Silly boy or greed? I suspect youthfully naive (silly boy) sums it up. He didn't need to do it and if he did he may as well have had a "huge" bet. He's paying the price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,420 Report post Posted March 17, 2017 I think D Oliver should have been given a 10 year ban minimum. His ban was even a joke, they wanted till after the cup before suspending him and ensured he would be back for the following cup. J McDonald was stupid that he let himself get caught. As a punter myself I do find it hard to believe he only ever had one bet.....however in my opinion he has conducted himself brilliantly through this whole caper. Not once have I heard "poor me, its not fair". Well done James. elbow, Memphis2, Breeder and 6 others 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Dan 187 Report post Posted March 17, 2017 My moral compass must be a little awry. I know there are rules in place but betting on your own mount - I really don't have a problem with that. Let them bet through a/cs which they can monitor. Lloyd Vivian, Insider and rdytdy 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted March 17, 2017 Everyone would have been a lot better off if he was given a 3 month ban and ordered to give 300k to the injured jockeys fund (or whatever its called). chevy86, hizzy and TOM(the other Molloy) 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted March 17, 2017 Idoit Phantom and zelda kratchanova 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter R S 408 Report post Posted March 17, 2017 43 minutes ago, turny said: Idoit Youdowhat? zelda kratchanova 2 and Lloyd Vivian 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted March 17, 2017 Not sure why comparisons are made with the D Oliver ban from the Victorian Regime. The laws were changed after the Oliver ban. What made matters worse was JMAc reportedly lying to save his skin. If he had come clean straight away and pleaded youthful stupidity, he may have got off with a lighter sentence. Silly boy. Hope he comes back good. He's young and time will fly. Phantom 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted March 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Trump said: Not sure why comparisons are made with the D Oliver ban from the Victorian Regime. The laws were changed after the Oliver ban. What made matters worse was JMAc reportedly lying to save his skin. If he had come clean straight away and pleaded youthful stupidity, he may have got off with a lighter sentence. Silly boy. Hope he comes back good. He's young and time will fly. Trump,if you were told after interrogation by 5 people put your hands up,we have so much evidence against you and we will give you 6 months and without legal advice and then they change the rules and gave him 18 months, that is the comparison. snr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted March 17, 2017 A lot of mistakes made in this case. He should never have put himself in this position in the first place Midge Snr. End of story - albeit a sad one Shad, Phantom, scooby3051 and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 Aussies Kiwi bashing again! If this was an Australian jockey he'd have been lucky to get 6 months! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 Every cloud has a silver lining,can't wait to see what he does on the rebound CT"s 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT"s 310 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 Strong mail is Joao Moirera will be the new stable rider for Godolphin from this Spring. J Mac will be kicking himself for his err of judgement but I'm sure he'll be back. Still very young and talented. Jimmy came back a lot older than he was and won a Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup. No reason why he can't do similar. Turny 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,693 Report post Posted March 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Baz (NZ) said: Aussies Kiwi bashing again! If this was an Australian jockey he'd have been lucky to get 6 months! No that is total crap... its a mandatory rule.. so ..you are wrong. Phantom 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax15 16 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 D Oliver - $10,000 bet on a rival horse in a race he's riding in. J Mac - $1000 bet on his own horse he's riding. J- Mac gets triple the penalty. I don't care if the rules change. Common sense doesn't change. Disgraceful decision. Lloyd Vivian, rdytdy, Baz (NZ) and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,005 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/90706476/jockey-james-mcdonald-not-giving-up-on-reducing-18month-ban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 21 hours ago, Snax15 said: D Oliver - $10,000 bet on a rival horse in a race he's riding in. J Mac - $1000 bet on his own horse he's riding. J- Mac gets triple the penalty. I don't care if the rules change. Common sense doesn't change. Disgraceful decision. commonsense did change snaxxy they realized the penalty was'nt enough end of story richie and pogo(aus) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax15 16 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 On 3/23/2017 at 7:58 AM, gary1 said: commonsense did change snaxxy they realized the penalty was'nt enough end of story No, not end of story. The penalty wasn't enough for the seriousness of the crime. Hence the change. The seriousness of what J-Mac did isn't even in the same ballpark as Oliver, but he cops the far more severe penalty. It is far from common sense. Nothing should be "mandatory" or "minimum' it should be a case by case basis where common sense can dictate the penalty. That's the end of the story. Baz (NZ) and Lloyd Vivian 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,693 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Snax15 said: No, not end of story. The penalty wasn't enough for the seriousness of the crime. Hence the change. The seriousness of what J-Mac did isn't even in the same ballpark as Oliver, but he cops the far more severe penalty. It is far from common sense. Nothing should be "mandatory" or "minimum' it should be a case by case basis where common sense can dictate the penalty. That's the end of the story. Nope...he knew the rules he broke them...end of story.He made a mistake and he now has to do the time... bad decision he made and now he has to live with the consequences and come back better from it. It seems harsh... but the rules are there and all he had to do was follow them. I really like J Mac but he made a mistake. hedley and Turny 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax15 16 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 6 hours ago, scooby3051 said: Nope...he knew the rules he broke them...end of story.He made a mistake and he now has to do the time... bad decision he made and now he has to live with the consequences and come back better from it. It seems harsh... but the rules are there and all he had to do was follow them. I really like J Mac but he made a mistake. Thanks for that Scooby. I'm well aware he broke the rules. I'm talking about the difference in punishment, not denying the fact that he didn't do anything wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,693 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 52 minutes ago, Snax15 said: Thanks for that Scooby. I'm well aware he broke the rules. I'm talking about the difference in punishment, not denying the fact that he didn't do anything wrong There is no difference in punishment... the rule was changed AFTER Oliver got done probably because of him... it was made very clear to ALL jockeys what the rules were and he still chose to break them...a mistake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax15 16 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 9 hours ago, scooby3051 said: There is no difference in punishment... the rule was changed AFTER Oliver got done probably because of him... it was made very clear to ALL jockeys what the rules were and he still chose to break them...a mistake. You clearly don't understand my point. So we'll flush it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...