chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 Which one wins the cage-fight for the greatest ability to work the system and pluck the juiciest plums? BB--2 NZ Cups and one Wellington Cup and running around close to the minimum weight due to heaps of "misses" in the interim, and likewise ES, win and 2nd in Auckland Cups and now an Avondale Cup and carrying only 53 Kgs--don't tell me there is no re-handicap for the Auckland Cup??!! As someone posted in another thread there should be a minimum level at which shedding of points stops when there is several hundred K in the bin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 Your a heartless barstard Chevy ha . Everybody knows the rules . Could be nothing to do with shedding points the horse just happens to perform at this time of year . chevy86 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 Think he rises too 58 kg in cup as its run under set weights and penalty conditions . He's only lost 6 rating points since his cups win so your case does not stand up .So all races should be just run at WFA ? Also how much did you win off him today if he was a weights special ? We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherry_bomb 89 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 I congratulate the training performance and equally the ride. No one says a horse must be produced 100% fit to the races each time, or run with suitable gear or in suitable conditions. Here's something though, a Colombia bred with over half a million in earnings and only 2 / 17 on soft or heavy. That must be a first. puha and Kent 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 2 hours ago, puha said: Also how much did you win off him today if he was a weights special ? Unfortunately went for another "weights special"--Perfect Start. puha 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,554 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 The old boy showed them all up and good on him but the beaten brigade must be a poor bunch. We're Doomed and Kent 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 Just seems crazy that the highest rating El Soldado has ever been given is 92, with 600K in the bank, but somehow a horse like Saint Emillion was rated 104 with 1/3 of that prize money. So he may not have shed a lot of points because he has never had very many! After all, we are racing for money, not rosettes and ribbons. It might be understandable if much of the 600K was won in age-group racing, but that is not the case. P.S.-I have absolutely nothing against the horse and his connections but constantly running around on close to minimum weights is either inequitable or very clever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattski 176 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 Chevy has a point. The system penalizes consistent horses like St. E and rewards inconsistency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted February 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mattski said: Chevy has a point. The system penalizes consistent horses like St. E and rewards inconsistency. As I've been harping on about for years on this site. As it's currently set up the model punishes good trainers and well placed consistent horses, and the inverse is it favours bad trainers, inconsistent horses who're running on unsuitable tracks or over unsuitable trips, and the real issue, it rewards anyone who doesn't run their horse on its merits.....that's just another form of corruption IMO but you're forced into it in NZ. dock leaf, Belinda and elbow 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln blue 14 Report post Posted February 19, 2017 So it should suit you then Midget.. After all, you're a 'bad trainer' with inconsistent horses.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 492 Report post Posted February 19, 2017 3 hours ago, trymebest said: So it should suit you then Midget.. After all, you're a 'bad trainer' with inconsistent horses.... Say what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted February 20, 2017 The running of the 2017 Auckland Cup will mark El Soldado's fifth start in the race.. In 2013 he finished second behind Sangster, 2014 he was tenth behind Who Shot The Barman, 2015 fifth behind Rock Diva and last year he won, beating Rose Of Virginia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,576 Report post Posted February 21, 2017 Trymybest, poor effort at your humour debut! Go back to the jump outs! pete 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln blue 14 Report post Posted February 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Chris Wood said: Trymybest, poor effort at your humour debut! Go back to the jump outs! no humour intended, much the truth.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted February 21, 2017 41 minutes ago, trymebest said: no humour intended, much the truth.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted February 21, 2017 On 2/18/2017 at 11:05 PM, chevy86 said: Just seems crazy that the highest rating El Soldado has ever been given is 92, with 600K in the bank, but somehow a horse like Saint Emillion was rated 104 with 1/3 of that prize money. So he may not have shed a lot of points because he has never had very many! After all, we are racing for money, not rosettes and ribbons. It might be understandable if much of the 600K was won in age-group racing, but that is not the case. P.S.-I have absolutely nothing against the horse and his connections but constantly running around on close to minimum weights is either inequitable or very clever. Saint Emillion has obviously been badly placed .Best you put a horse in El Soldado s stable as the daily rates will be cheaper too. Win/Win situation . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...