kdt 293 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 What the hell happened there, I think he missed a beat and its cost him the race. I'm no expert on riding so Midget or any other jock ex jock what do you think? hizzy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligerzero 34 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Yep agree 100% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Misjudged the finish, should have won, punters lose thru incompetence/mistake, how long will he get ? I'm betting zero. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
23Tank 33 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 I'm generally on the 'cheats on seats' side and struggling to recover from a big punt on volkoff 2 races prior to the ride in question BUT......is the 1.50 and .50 on Kawi real on a 31k win pool and wtf was the punter thinking unless the most insane all up of all time was in play? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS26 70 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 1 hour ago, 23Tank said: I'm generally on the 'cheats on seats' side and struggling to recover from a big punt on volkoff 2 races prior to the ride in question BUT......is the 1.50 and .50 on Kawi real on a 31k win pool and wtf was the punter thinking unless the most insane all up of all time was in play? TAB had yet another technical issue tonight. This one to do with commingling, what you're seeing is just the NZ un-commingled money in all pools. Aussie money would have balanced it out to about $5. Note the winner paid something like $38 on the tote here & just $11 fixed due to all the NZ tote cash being on Kawi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,085 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/superracing/kingston-town-classic-2016-weirys-5000-shout-as-his-star-shines-ever-so-brightly-in-west/news-story/66c8042b16bffbf776dc50775ad67d68 The win was also tinged with controversy as stewards charged Hong Kong-based jockey Douglas Whyte with not riding Scales Of Justice out to the line. Whyte pleaded not guilty, telling stewards he had resorted to hands and heels instead of the whip in a bid to coax home a horse he felt was tiring. Smith, however, said he was happy with the ride and that his Railway Stakes winner was beaten at that stage. “It wouldn’t have mattered if he hit it two or three times,” Smith told the stewards by phone. Chief steward Brad Lewis adjourned the inquiry as he wanted Smith and owner Chris Wells to view the Hawk-Eye vision of the last 20m. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,918 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 I thought Kawi had every possible, seemed to be close enough on the corner but never really let down. He seems to settle pretty well for Walker. He did cover a bit of extra ground from the 600 to the turn but had a pretty soft run in transit i thought, but he would have almost covered expenses on the trip with his placings. Mt Smart Cats 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,918 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 I also think Douglas Whyte could be in a bit of strife he seemed to get very busy again straight after the finish line.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 When I saw the close up of Douglas Whyte's ride over the last few strides I thought wtf!!! he has cost the horse the win. Enquiry will be interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,558 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 1 hour ago, scooby3051 said: I thought Kawi had every possible, seemed to be close enough on the corner but never really let down. He seems to settle pretty well for Walker. He did cover a bit of extra ground from the 600 to the turn but had a pretty soft run in transit i thought, but he would have almost covered expenses on the trip with his placings. Have to agree, he certainly had every show.Good run all the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 An OK run but just not at the level of the others - too many issues - suited Walker and settled well - a click below the others and they ain't top drawer animals - if he is our best then we have big problems Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Kawi is probably a fair measure of NZ racing. Hopelessly hyped by the inept media, blown out of all proportion by the lobotomised loonies on Trackside, and really just a pretty good horse, with numerous personal behavioral issues, running around winning the second tier races in his home country but proving to be found wanting on the big stage. Mind you the way NZ racing is being insidiously destroyed we might look back at the Kawis and Xtravacan'ts in the future and reflect on these as the "good old days". How about that Captain Cook result, Aide Memoire !! The winner of only one open handicap and that was on a heavy 11 running a mile in 1.48, then she wins the Captain Cook, beating Authentic Paddy, no disrespect to him though, he's a great old horse, but God help NZ racing when that's all we've got. gary1, ivanthegreat, Belinda and 5 others 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,865 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, Midget said: Kawi is probably a fair measure of NZ racing. Hopelessly hyped by the inept media, blown out of all proportion by the lobotomised loonies on Trackside, and really just a pretty good horse, with numerous personal behavioral issues, running around winning the second tier races in his home country but proving to be found wanting on the big stage. Mind you the way NZ racing is being insidiously destroyed we might look back at the Kawis and Xtravacan'ts in the future and reflect on these as the "good old days". How about that Captain Cook result, Aide Memoire !! The winner of only one open handicap and that was on a heavy 11 running a mile in 1.48, then she wins the Captain Cook, beating Authentic Paddy, no disrespect to him though, he's a great old horse, but God help NZ racing when that's all we've got. I don't really think Kawi is over-hyped. He probably is the best we have actually racing here, it just shows how poor the horses have been that he had beaten over here. I gave him no chance last night based on his battling lead-up runs so couldn't believe how short he was on the tote. It does show the owners have been right in largely choosing to stay here and pick up the easy money. Even when they picked what looked like a weaker Aussie option it still turned out pretty tough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,865 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 And once again Midget, which of the horses entered in the Captain Cook yesterday would have had to win to make you think it was a worthy group one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: And once again Midget, which of the horses entered in the Captain Cook yesterday would have had to win to make you think it was a worthy group one? They're all good honest horses, some of them I love, e.g. Authentic Paddy because he's so versatile, tough and genuine. My point was that the winner is not perhaps a genuine G1 horse using international measuring criteria, and whilst she's effective on all going she's arguably more of a wet tracker. I just can't see any horse in that Captain Cook field being good enough for Australia, except maybe Queensland in the winter. JMO. elbow and We're Doomed 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,841 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 She got the best economical run in the race and that's what won it for her. Up front bias yesterday, can't remember anything coming from well back to win.....Seraphim probably the best of them in placings. Talking about Ascot, you would have to be filthy if you picked the Quaddie there. The four winners paid $23, $41, $38 and $8........and it paid just $17,532. Kent 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Based on yesterday's Captain Cook Stakes, it has to surely suffer a downgrade. It's not a G1 race. No way. Turny, elbow, bazach and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Trump said: Based on yesterday's Captain Cook Stakes, it has to surely suffer a downgrade. It's not a G1 race. No way. You had half the field with a rating of over 100 so hardly likely to suffer a downgrade. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 By any true standards NZ Group 1 racing is laughable - just a joke - that race yesterday was an average Group 2 at best Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,865 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 I thought the Wakefield was a very poor group two race, but I suppose it is all we have. You do wonder why more didn't target it. An easy road to the Karaka race is I suppose the aim for most decent 2yos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,085 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 28 minutes ago, rdytdy said: You had half the field with a rating of over 100 so hardly likely to suffer a downgrade. Isn't the minimum for a GI 110 Ted based on the average best seasonal rating of the first 4 finishers? Turny 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Leggy said: Isn't the minimum for a GI 110 Ted based on the average best seasonal rating of the first 4 finishers? Trump stated " Based on yesterday's Captain Cook Stakes, it has to surely suffer a downgrade" I said with half the field over 100 it won't. We will see in the future who will be right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,085 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 12 minutes ago, rdytdy said: You stated " Based on yesterday's Captain Cook Stakes, it has to surely suffer a downgrade" I said with half the field over 100 it won't. We will see in the future who will be right. First of all Ted I did not state that, Trump did. 3 hours ago, Trump said: Based on yesterday's Captain Cook Stakes, it has to surely suffer a downgrade. It's not a G1 race. No way. You then misleadingly said : 2 hours ago, rdytdy said: You had half the field with a rating of over 100 so hardly likely to suffer a downgrade. The requirement to avoid a warning for a Group I is that the average best seasonal rating for the first 4 is 110+. The best seasonal rating of the first 4 to date is 104. So, unless and until one or more of those first 4 achieves higher ratings than 110 during the season, the race is headed for a warning. Based on the current best seasonal ratings, it does not meet the standard for a G2 of an average of 107. On the current best ratings it meets the standard for a G3, which suggests Trump is correct as things stand. I hope Insider and the WRC are saying their prayers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 i am aware of what the requirement says Leggy. I just stated (again) that with half the field over 100 I don't believe it will be downgraded. Again we will see who is right in the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt Smart Cats 15 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 13 hours ago, scooby3051 said: I thought Kawi had every possible, seemed to be close enough on the corner but never really let down. He seems to settle pretty well for Walker. He did cover a bit of extra ground from the 600 to the turn but had a pretty soft run in transit i thought, but he would have almost covered expenses on the trip with his placings. Ascot is a short straight and with a tight turn in. He got left behind as have many good horses in the past when the 2 in front straightened up on the better going. The winterbottom was run at 6m, the week prior, maybe he landed in ground not as suitable from the 500m on? Common sense suggests Scales of Justice was going to get rolled regardless what Whyte did but you just never know as it was a bob of the head go. Gotta feel for Paul Harvey, will be pissed about his suspension leading in. SoJ was a given for him over the carnival. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...