Kent 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Leggy said: 18 months Crikey. Over here on Sky they are saying he will head back to NZ. They also said they'd appeal as it "seems harsh" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdt 291 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 It really does fall into the category of what the hell was he thinking?. That is one very expensive bet! We're Doomed, Shad and Breeder 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,697 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 A classic case of "too much money too soon" resulting in wanting to"operate around the fringes" to get a buzz. Mind you, there is always low-life skulking around (especially in Oz) just waiting to take advantage of a young person's naivety. Have to ask though--where was his management? I did say in an earlier posting that James was getting a bit ahead of himself with all his show-boating but did not expect him to be so gullible in the betting arena. An expensive lesson but hopefully he will be contrite, do his time and be back better than ever. Belinda, WhoKnows and We're Doomed 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,339 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Kent said: Crikey. Over here on Sky they are saying he will head back to NZ. They also said they'd appeal as it "seems harsh" It is a ridiculous penalty when you compare it to what Damian Oliver got. Surely he must appeal the severity. 18 months could well spell the finish due to weight problems. elbow and Al Feilding 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biff 2,158 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, chevy86 said: A classic case of "too much money too soon" resulting in wanting to"operate around the fringes" to get a buzz. Mind you, there is always low-life skulking around (especially in Oz) just waiting to take advantage of a young person's naivety. Have to ask though--where was his management? I did say in an earlier posting that James was getting a bit ahead of himself with all his show-boating but did not expect him to be so gullible in the betting arena. An expensive lesson but hopefully he will be contrite, do his time and be back better than ever. He wont get back in that camp Chevy, they don't like Scandal in the Gulf, it get's buried, so maybe Te Akau will have a new No 1 in 18 months......? elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,697 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, rdytdy said: It is a ridiculous penalty when you compare it to what Damian Oliver got. Surely he must appeal the severity. 18 months could well spell the finish due to weight problems. They re-worked the penalties AFTER the Oliver case Ted --instituted a MINIMUM of 2 years so he has really got a discount on the new basis, which were well publicised for all jockeys to be aware of. Belinda 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, rdytdy said: It is a ridiculous penalty when you compare it to what Damian Oliver got. Surely he must appeal the severity. 18 months could well spell the finish due to weight problems. I agree, and pardon my ignorance in asking this, but is it a case of different jurisdictions? NSW v VIC so they could say it's not relevant what penalties Racing Victoria impose. I agree, I don't know how this can be as bad as what Oliver did. elbow and Memphis2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,553 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 Very tough sentence, he certainly learnt a harsh lesson. Being a kiwi wouldn't help his cause. Kent, elbow and Memphis2 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boned 32 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 Sentence is to light. One of the few names that the non-racing, non-betting people would know is a cheat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckenzie 607 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 More detailed info here http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/87882781/kiwi-jockey-james-mcdonald-pleads-guilty-to-betting-charge Sounds like it was an ongoing thing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Big Boned said: Sentence is to light. One of the few names that the non-racing, non-betting people would know is a cheat. How did he cheat? He bet on his own mount that won. the shue25, Kent and Grant R 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 Well, I must say, he was just starting to get that slightly smug Michael Walker type attitude after seeming like such a clean cut NZ lad. He is obviously a natural talent, but it must be so hard to remain grounded when you become such a big thing. Certainly nothing I have managed to experience. Shows how importasnt good management is when a young chap starts to make a big name for himself. WhoKnows, chevy86 and Kent 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,854 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 52 minutes ago, puha said: How did he cheat? He bet on his own mount that won. He broke the rules... they were clearly spelled out...he admitted he broke them...he has admitted to doing it... now he is facing the consequences... lets just all hope he can return after this a really world class jockey. Gordy55, elbow, Pam Robson and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,066 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 8 hours ago, rdytdy said: It is a ridiculous penalty when you compare it to what Damian Oliver got. Surely he must appeal the severity. 18 months could well spell the finish due to weight problems. No, I think he's got off lightly since he ignored the stewards warnings, there's a mysterious disappearance of data from his phone and the fact that the Oliver comparison is irrelevant under the new rules as the stewards pointed out. Mr Stirling submitted that Stewards should be guided by the precedent penalties of Oliver, Shinn and Robl. In this respect, the view of the Stewards is that these offences were all committed prior to the introduction of AR83(d) and, more particular AR196(5), the introduction of mandatory penalties when a line in the sand was drawn by the administrators. As such, those precedents are of little assistance given the mandatory minimum penalty regime. It's hard to see given the lenience already extended what argument he would have on appeal. THE TORCH, Kent and Turny 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,822 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 Agree Leggy. They have zero tolerance for this sort of thing now. A $4000 win turns into a $3m loss.....James will have plenty of time to ponder the wisdom of that one. Kent 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,822 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 9 hours ago, mckenzie said: More detailed info here http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/87882781/kiwi-jockey-james-mcdonald-pleads-guilty-to-betting-charge Sounds like it was an ongoing thing There is nothing here to suggest that. The Stewards have said it is a one time offence. The interactions with Gardiner are because of trials and the multiple races Astern was racing in that Gardiner placed bets on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 Seems out of all proportion to me, a penalty of that magnitude for a reward so trivial. I've yet to hear a decent reason why jockeys can't bet on their own rides anyway, and then declare the bet to the general public. J Mac is a great example of the species, but he's only human, and he doesn't deserve all this finger pointing or tall poppy rubbish. As for this new rule post the Ollie offense.....big deal.....the world is chokka full of stupid rules and laws, just because they exist it doesn't make them fair, right, or reasonable. MiDeBo Racing, aquaman, elbow and 5 others 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalano 951 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 Sounds like this bloke Gardiner was intimidating MacDonald, and wouldn't leave him alone even when told to. A short spell on the sidelines wouldn't change alot in that regard, whereas an extended break would probably see Gardiner focus elsewhere, and then the young bloke can start afresh. Kent 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koozer 7 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 the boy is a muppet. nothing more. nothing less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,339 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 17 minutes ago, Midget said: Seems out of all proportion to me, a penalty of that magnitude for a reward so trivial. I've yet to hear a decent reason why jockeys can't bet on their own rides anyway, and then declare the bet to the general public. J Mac is a great example of the species, but he's only human, and he doesn't deserve all this finger pointing or tall poppy rubbish. As for this new rule post the Ollie offense.....big deal.....the world is chokka full of stupid rules and laws, just because they exist it doesn't make them fair, right, or reasonable. Exactly, there is no way the punishment fits the crime (if it could be indeed called a crime). 18 months. His last three years earnings have averaged $1.5 million pa. Therefore it is costing him income of around $2.25 million and loss of retainer with Godolphin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 8 hours ago, scooby3051 said: He broke the rules... they were clearly spelled out...he admitted he broke them...he has admitted to doing it... now he is facing the consequences... lets just all hope he can return after this a really world class jockey. Broke the rules yes but for me cheating is affecting the outcome of the race unfairly which he did not. D.Walker cheated . Kent, MiDeBo Racing, rdytdy and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMD is rife 211 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 So, these rules were brought in to protect the integrity of the game and give the punter confidence. Jockey A puts a decent bet on his mount and it wins, he gets rubbed out for 18 months. Trainer B who has the hot favourite in a race puts a big bet on a different horse, trained by someone else and that's perfectly legal. So much for the rules huh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,066 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 Here's the stewards' report: http://www.thoroughbrednews.com.au/spring-racing/default.aspx?id=93089 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,932 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 There are different rules in different jurisdictions aren't there? For example Chris Munce was granted a licence in Australia when he had been outed for years in Hong Kong. James hasn't broken any rule by our standard, so get him back here super fast, give him a license and give our Racing Game it's biggest boost in years. We would have mainstream coverage like never before. Oh, and I know just the perfect person to be James Public Relations Agent, as her specialty is sports people with a little bit of history, one in particular that springs to mind was looking after Sir Mark Todd. Our Glenda Hughes is by far the best person to do the job. What do you all say? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,822 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Catalano said: Sounds like this bloke Gardiner was intimidating MacDonald, and wouldn't leave him alone even when told to. A short spell on the sidelines wouldn't change alot in that regard, whereas an extended break would probably see Gardiner focus elsewhere, and then the young bloke can start afresh. Sounds like it Cat, and even after JMac had apparently broken off contact, he turns up at his house.....!!?? https://www.racing.com/news/2016-12-22/james-mcdonald-and-the-tennis-player Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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