Mt Smart Cats 15 Report post Posted November 7, 2016 51 minutes ago, Brodie said: This weeks HARNESS EXPRESS has given the"brickbat of the week" to Geoff Martin for his pathetic efforts. I suggest everyone on here that disagrees with "the Brodster" needs to read that article before having another go at me. Yes you can call me "the Authority" "know it all " etc. but I think you will find that "the Brodster" is mostly on the money. Nice to know there is a publication out there that calls it how they see it without prejudice or conflicts of interest to be worried about. rangi and hsvman 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,095 Report post Posted November 7, 2016 Can Geoff Martin really afford NOT to try and win? I mean REALLY ????????? We're talking about a bloody unreliable trotter here not someone aiming for a $100K Classic race. Happy Sunrise and gubellini 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted November 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Blue said: Can Geoff Martin really afford NOT to try and win? I mean REALLY ????????? We're talking about a bloody unreliable trotter here not someone aiming for a $100K Classic race. Blue, watch the replay and come back and then comment! Did he drive the horse to give it every chance to win? A.Lowe got done, Geoff Martin's drive was far worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted November 8, 2016 It's a joke the incompetent stipes have allowed him to drive for so long Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise 554 Report post Posted November 8, 2016 10 hours ago, Brodie said: Blue, watch the replay and come back and then comment! Did he drive the horse to give it every chance to win? A.Lowe got done, Geoff Martin's drive was far worse. Give the stipes a chance to do their job! They will get him if they need to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted November 8, 2016 It was the equivalent of Air Guitar. Enough said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted November 8, 2016 49 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Give the stipes a chance to do their job! They will get him if they need to. Sorry Happy, it was so blatant shouldn't need to look at anything else, waste of time and money. They set a precedent when they nailed A.Lowe. There are many others that should be nailed as well if the NZ stipes are going to be consistent. Got no idea what else they could,possibly be looking at????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise 554 Report post Posted November 13, 2016 Looking forward to the comments on Allan Beck's efforts in the home straight on Don Sebastion in race 2 at Wyndham. Can't wait. Racing84 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted November 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Looking forward to the comments on Allan Beck's efforts in the home straight on Don Sebastion in race 2 at Wyndham. Can't wait. Yes another very questionable drive in the straight. Did Alan Beck drive it to give it every possible chance? Definitely no urgency and if he had have given it a couple in the last 100m it would have won no question about it! Stipes won't suspend Aslan Beck as he is a very long time driver down south and Stipes won't batter an eyelid. That is where this Racing Integrity Unit is such a badly named outfit. Where is this Integrity that they are meant to be showing? Young junior driver hammered on the spot for trying for the owners,trainers and punter! Senior drivers don't try a yard and that is just fine in the eyes of our Racing Integrity Unit! Where is the Geoff Martin caper at, does anyone know? If he gets off then the judiciary system is an absolute ass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted November 13, 2016 He never tried to pocket the horse seemed to do everything right bar an unusual driving action in the straight,compare previous drives in finishes you may prove he was inconsistent but driving to lose is a big stretch ...a couple more in the last 100 he wins for sure brodster??? Big call, you related to stiffer ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise 554 Report post Posted November 13, 2016 DON SEBASTIAN - driver A Beck was questioned regarding his apparent lack of vigour through the early and middle stages of the run home. After hearing Mr Beck's explanation the Stewards issued a charge pursuant to Rule 868(2) in that he failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures in the home straight to ensure that DON SEBASTIAN was given full opportunity to win the race. This was adjourned sine die. Another case to follow 20 minutes ago, Gruff said: He never tried to pocket the horse seemed to do everything right bar an unusual driving action in the straight,compare previous drives in finishes you may prove he was inconsistent but driving to lose is a big stretch ...a couple more in the last 100 he wins for sure brodster??? Big call, you related to stiffer ? Do you mean Martin or Beck? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,790 Report post Posted November 13, 2016 Beck Happy,can't understand if one or both of these didn't want to win why did they put their horses in the race with a chance?????? They could of easily got 'unlucky' before they even turned for home Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted November 13, 2016 How does Ricky may get fined $500 dollars for excessive use of the whip in the ffa when the rules state if you have a rein in the whip hand those strikes don't count. ? He never crossed the reins by the looks of things so each could strike should not have counted ! Clearly the stipes and jca make rule to suit them selves when they want? rangi 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted November 13, 2016 This is getting ridiculous! We have got Stipes and a Judiciary on course and have access to their eyes and cameras. Why do they need to adjourn this to a future no set date? Did Alan Beck give the horse the best opportunity to win or not, it is very clear to see isn't it???? What a waste of money and time having a totally incompetent system in place in harness. Drivers getting fined or suspended for trying and yet if you don't try a yard the Stipes and JCA cant see this? Totally double standards and not good enough!!! We have a totally stupid system that they brought in to make their jobs easier by not having as many enquiries, if a checked horse doesn't finish in the money!! Different standards and consistently irrational decisions being made countrywide by our Stipes and Judiciary!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise 554 Report post Posted November 13, 2016 It is all very inconsistent. Agree on that. The Tim Williams / Have Faith in Me case complicates my perspective on these 2 even more. Tim Williams was charged for what he did 1400m from home let alone in the shadows of the post.........this is going to be interesting!! TAB should open a book on what the penalties will be....2 leg multi anyone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
what a post 811 Report post Posted November 14, 2016 Personally I think the stipes are picking on the right drives to look at, in respect of horses being given every chance of winning by their drivers. Don't think it is a bad thing that they adjourn cases so they can take time to go over previous videos. Makes sense to me. I do understand the reference from previous posters suggesting it is a bit harsh to give some drivers what appear to be severe penalties for excess use of the whip,but that side of things as we know is dictated by putting the right perception in the minds of the public. The enforcement of the whip rule is actually quite consistent.in my opinion. Where I do agree with some posters is that each drive should be judged on its merits, irrespective of how well known the driver is. Thejanitor, rangi and Happy Sunrise 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted November 14, 2016 What is worse? A driver trying hard to win or a driver not trying hard to win? As a punter a driver not trying too hard to win is far worse. As an owner a driver not trying too hard to win is far worse. What is it that our RACING INTEGRITY UNIT has policed and fined and suspended heavily? That s right the driver trying hard to,win! What is it that our RACING INTEGRITY UNIT hasn't fined or suspended yet, as they need time to look at whether the driver was not trying too hard! DAH! No brainer Where is the INTEGRITY?? Can't complain really as there isn't any INTEGRITY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted November 14, 2016 Industries should generally look after their customers first and not be overly worried about the opposition. Our customers are the betting public and and opposition is the animal rights people. If we let the opposition get their way it will turn our betting public away and will be the end of racing. The whip rule at the moment would be lucky to have 50 fined a year and when you consider how many horses go around throughout the year it would be way less that one percent of total runners fined for whip use. The new rule they are bringing in in the first of December will see the number of drivers charged go up which then plays into the hands of the opposition as they will see a lot more excessive whip rule charges and will then call for a total ban on whips. You give people and inch they will take a mile you watch how quickly they'll push for a ban on all racing if our leaders keep giving into to a small groups request. Toblerone and rangi 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted November 14, 2016 2 hours ago, hsvman said: Industries should generally look after their customers first and not be overly worried about the opposition. Our customers are the betting public and and opposition is the animal rights people. If we let the opposition get their way it will turn our betting public away and will be the end of racing. The whip rule at the moment would be lucky to have 50 fined a year and when you consider how many horses go around throughout the year it would be way less that one percent of total runners fined for whip use. The new rule they are bringing in in the first of December will see the number of drivers charged go up which then plays into the hands of the opposition as they will see a lot more excessive whip rule charges and will then call for a total ban on whips. You give people and inch they will take a mile you watch how quickly they'll push for a ban on all racing if our leaders keep giving into to a small groups request. What is the new whip rule that is coming in on 1st December? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted November 14, 2016 hsvman has it in a nutshell. rangi 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 294 Report post Posted November 15, 2016 10 strikes in the last 400m Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted November 15, 2016 2 hours ago, hsvman said: 10 strikes in the last 400m Geez, that is going to make things very interesting. How the hell is a driver concentrating on manouevering a horse in and out of horses inside the 400m also able to count the number of hits. What if a horse who responds to the whip has been touched say nine times can't be driven out over the last 100metres, is that driver then liable to be fined or suspended for not driving the horse out. Why is the racing industry worried about the clowns from animal rights etc. How have they got so much say in the racing industry when there are far worse things to worry about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 Brodie - you should know the noisy minority usually get their way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef 74 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 Some drivers can't count the number of laps how are they going to get on counting whip actions up to 10 ? That's the fingers on 2 hands! Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantab matt 134 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, beef said: Some drivers can't count the number of laps how are they going to get on counting whip actions up to 10 ? That's the fingers on 2 hands! or on one hand depending on what part of the country they live in Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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