Mt Smart Cats 15 Report post Posted October 27, 2016 On 26/10/2016 at 7:36 AM, Brodie said: Harewood, seriously would you really back Purdon horses to win at those odds? You have missed the whole point of your own thread. The fixed odds were overs. So regardless of ones outlay or willingness to back short priced favs it's a hard ask to complain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted October 27, 2016 19 minutes ago, MisterEd said: He means even though there are punters that are restricted there are still a few showing a skillful use of underhand tactics to get on for more than they are allowed Can't be bothered running around agencies to back something that is unders. They think they are clever and smug, will affect their turnover and profit more than it affects my lifestyle, with their efforts to get yield up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted October 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, Mt Smart Cats said: You have missed the whole point of your own thread. The fixed odds were overs. So regardless of ones outlay or willingness to back short priced favs it's a hard ask to complain If punters are prepared to back the shorties, then good on them. If you enjoyed the racing on Monday you will enjoy the domination throughout the year. I don't need it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt Smart Cats 15 Report post Posted October 27, 2016 Just now, Brodie said: If punters are prepared to back the shorties, then good on them. If you enjoyed the racing on Monday you will enjoy the domination throughout the year. I don't need it! Didn't really do it for me. Watching short favs roll in like they do is a bit tedious. From a punting point of view it doesn't bother me. A hundy is about my limit and to back a 1.50 shot for a $50 return ain't much fun. But....the bookies can't be at fault if they were offering overs. Did go a little out of my comfort zone in the last at Te Aroha on Monday with a hundy eachway on an 18 and 4.80 shot fixed. The blood was pumping as it lead up and was traveling swinging in. The cat fell in a hole up the straight and ran 4th...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted October 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Mt Smart Cats said: Didn't really do it for me. Watching short favs roll in like they do is a bit tedious. From a punting point of view it doesn't bother me. A hundy is about my limit and to back a 1.50 shot for a $50 return ain't much fun. But....the bookies can't be at fault if they were offering overs. Did go a little out of my comfort zone in the last at Te Aroha on Monday with a hundy eachway on an 18 and 4.80 shot fixed. The blood was pumping as it lead up and was traveling swinging in. The cat fell in a hole up the straight and ran 4th...... Yes the 6 Purdon horses won. Wouldnt necessarily say the fixed odds they offered were overs as to the horses chances. Yes some might have been over the tote odds, but there are so many small punters that just has a bet for the sheer hell of it and don't care if they win or not, and would have backed the Purdons ones. Would be interesting if the TAB would post all the bets that they take on each race at say over $500, but I note now that they have basically given up telling us the amount of the bets on Harnesslink! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted October 27, 2016 4 hours ago, Brodie said: Yes the 6 Purdon horses won. Wouldnt necessarily say the fixed odds they offered were overs as to the horses chances. Yes some might have been over the tote odds, but there are so many small punters that just has a bet for the sheer hell of it and don't care if they win or not, and would have backed the Purdons ones. Would be interesting if the TAB would post all the bets that they take on each race at say over $500, but I note now that they have basically given up telling us the amount of the bets on Harnesslink! It's not the bookies fault that the handicapping system is fu$&@:d and that there are too many soft kills out there. Its not the bookies fault that Mark and Nat kill everyone on a weekly basis. It is partly the bookies fault that they set 140% markets and that they are driving punters who win AND who lose away and destroying a once great industry. It is partly their fault that punting owners are waking away from the game and big punters are walking up to the smiling friendly faces at their respective casinos who welcome their big gambles. And the fact is we still can't just blame the bookies. They are working within parameters. Who sets them? And who hired that suit? This is part of a bigger issue. Racing is going down the drain because no one is thinking long term. And the higher it goes the worse it gets. This industry isn't about bankers, accountants and insurance men. But keep bringing them in, overpaying them and setting them the wrong kinds of goals and this is what you'll get. Someone tell me I'm not 140% right. Mt Smart Cats, Toblerone and Happy Sunrise 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpeterVersion2 32 Report post Posted December 4, 2016 Hello to the entire racecafe community. I felt I had to weigh in on this topic. My account has been very active for several months with some quite large (for me) sports bets, that is, until my account got flagged. All of a sudden my bets would take forever when processing and then when finally accepted the amount of the bet was reduced substantially. This was very frustrating and seemed wholly unnecessary so I backed off and lay low for a month or two. This brings me to Methven Harness this past Sunday (4/12/16). I had been watching the Geddes horse Buckeye go around recently and had decided he may be a value bet when he next appeared on a grass track. I spotted him in the fifth race at $22 and $6.50 on the fixed odds. Now I was never going to put on a real bet this was just going to be an interest bet. I entered a bet of $6 each-way. The bet took around one minute to process (this was at about 10:30am, so well before any action) and when it was accepted I noticed they had changed it to $2 a win and $6 a place. I submitted a new bet $4 to win and this too was changed to $2 to win at just $18. I checked the prices again after this last bet and the odds were now showing $16 and $3.60. I had managed to get $2 to win @22's, $2 to win @18's and $6 to finish top three @6.50. This flurry of activity had seen the T.A.B drop the odds from $22 and $6.50 to $16 and $3.60 (a bet of $4 to win and $6 to place) and they had refused to accept a bet of $4 to win (reducing it to $2 to win). This to me is the T.A.B giving me a HUGE middle finger and saying we don't want your money or your bets. What has happened to the T.A.B? This lunacy is only going to drive more punters away for good. P.S A shout out to Chesnut for mentioning me in a "Whatever happened to..." post a while back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted December 5, 2016 8 hours ago, redpeterVersion2 said: Hello to the entire racecafe community. I felt I had to weigh in on this topic. My account has been very active for several months with some quite large (for me) sports bets, that is, until my account got flagged. All of a sudden my bets would take forever when processing and then when finally accepted the amount of the bet was reduced substantially. This was very frustrating and seemed wholly unnecessary so I backed off and lay low for a month or two. This brings me to Methven Harness this past Sunday (4/12/16). I had been watching the Geddes horse Buckeye go around recently and had decided he may be a value bet when he next appeared on a grass track. I spotted him in the fifth race at $22 and $6.50 on the fixed odds. Now I was never going to put on a real bet this was just going to be an interest bet. I entered a bet of $6 each-way. The bet took around one minute to process (this was at about 10:30am, so well before any action) and when it was accepted I noticed they had changed it to $2 a win and $6 a place. I submitted a new bet $4 to win and this too was changed to $2 to win at just $18. I checked the prices again after this last bet and the odds were now showing $16 and $3.60. I had managed to get $2 to win @22's, $2 to win @18's and $6 to finish top three @6.50. This flurry of activity had seen the T.A.B drop the odds from $22 and $6.50 to $16 and $3.60 (a bet of $4 to win and $6 to place) and they had refused to accept a bet of $4 to win (reducing it to $2 to win). This to me is the T.A.B giving me a HUGE middle finger and saying we don't want your money or your bets. What has happened to the T.A.B? This lunacy is only going to drive more punters away for good. P.S A shout out to Chesnut for mentioning me in a "Whatever happened to..." post a while back. RedPeter, welcome to RaceCafe. Absolute lunacy, and did notice Buckeye drop dramatically and I was going to back it as well, so I can clearly blame you for the drop. You obviously were consistently making money with your Sportsbetting which is a NO NO for the TAB! You are allowed to bet but you are not allowed to win. Any consistent winning nowadays and you will get restricted until it is hardly worth betting which is what the TAB want. They only want consistent losing punters, but I doubt they restrict them. Not too sure how the TAB think they are going to increase the number of punters in NZ when they want to lose the winning ones? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stackedbluechip 29 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 I'd like to know the turnover of staff at the TAB headquarters and the bookmakers involved in setting the markets. It would appear to me that on a consistent basis these "bookmakers" have to lower their opening odds due to the fact that they have got the market fundamentally wrong. It would be interesting to know how many of these bookmakers are shown the door and fired for costing the TAB money on producing inaccurate markets. if they are no good at their jobs then I suggest they employ people who are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise 554 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 10 hours ago, redpeterVersion2 said: I spotted him in the fifth race at $22 and $6.50 on the fixed odds. Now I was never going to put on a real bet this was just going to be an interest bet. I entered a bet of $6 each-way. The bet took around one minute to process (this was at about 10:30am, so well before any action) and when it was accepted I noticed they had changed it to $2 a win and $6 a place. I submitted a new bet $4 to win and this too was changed to $2 to win at just $18. I checked the prices again after this last bet and the odds were now showing $16 and $3.60. I had managed to get $2 to win @22's, $2 to win @18's and $6 to finish top three @6.50. This flurry of activity had seen the T.A.B drop the odds from $22 and $6.50 to $16 and $3.60 (a bet of $4 to win and $6 to place) and they had refused to accept a bet of $4 to win (reducing it to $2 to win). Someone from the TAB please tell me this is an error! That is PATHETIC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 I would be interested in seeing the money trail for Medusa in race one yesterday. It was backed in from 30's to 8's but no mention of a significant bet until it was at 11's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted December 5, 2016 26 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said: I would be interested in seeing the money trail for Medusa in race one yesterday. It was backed in from 30's to 8's but no mention of a significant bet until it was at 11's. They did say what bets had been put on Medusa on Trackside just before the first but you are right they weren't big bets at all. It appears that any bet on fixed now triggers attention with them and they drop them and watch for more coming in on that horse and act drastically. They now don't advise on Harnesslink the amount of the bets being put on but just what horses have the most support. The TAB really are toy Bookies nowadays and are only happy to take small bets that won't put them at very big risk. Instead of encouraging punters to offload they are doing the total opposite! The fact is that The Oz Betting agencies are every bit as bad if not worse, so hopefully TABCORP Keeps away or NZ harness industry is totally stuffed! Definitely not worth the effort over there now! I know "Betfair" ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 This on Harnesslink Race 7 - Vincent $1.70 - $1.60 has been smashed in win & multi betting and judging by that early money this race is over. Hardly makes sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Brodie said: They did say what bets had been put on Medusa on Trackside just before the first but you are right they weren't big bets at all. It appears that any bet on fixed now triggers attention with them and they drop them and watch for more coming in on that horse and act drastically. They now don't advise on Harnesslink the amount of the bets being put on but just what horses have the most support. The TAB really are toy Bookies nowadays and are only happy to take small bets that won't put them at very big risk. Instead of encouraging punters to offload they are doing the total opposite! The fact is that The Oz Betting agencies are every bit as bad if not worse, so hopefully TABCORP Keeps away or NZ harness industry is totally stuffed! Definitely not worth the effort over there now! I know "Betfair" ! If you really knew you'd do. Youve got your head in the sand buddy. The tab are a joke but your lack of pro active behaviour is almost as poor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted December 5, 2016 39 minutes ago, Sickopunter said: If you really knew you'd do. Youve got your head in the sand buddy. The tab are a joke but your lack of pro active behaviour is almost as poor. Fair enough Sicko! NZ Harness just not enough being taken up on Betfair in largeer bets. Have watched it for quite awhile and it is not worth my time and effort buggering around with various smaller amounts, but It is a great system I am sure for most punters. I have spoken to several punters and they have also advised me that it wouldn't suit my way of investing. But I will never say never! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMug 53 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Fair enough Sicko! NZ Harness just not enough being taken up on Betfair in largeer bets. Have watched it for quite awhile and it is not worth my time and effort buggering around with various smaller amounts, but It is a great system I am sure for most punters. I have spoken to several punters and they have also advised me that it wouldn't suit my way of investing. But I will never say never! lol. God damn you are stupid. Sickopunter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted December 5, 2016 31 minutes ago, TheMug said: lol. God damn you are stupid. Bit rich coming from someone calling themselves "The Mug" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted December 9, 2016 Fixed odds Alex Park race 1. I realise its 2 divs but give me a break. How can this be legal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted December 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Sickopunter said: Fixed odds Alex Park race 1. I realise its 2 divs but give me a break. How can this be legal? Its currently 126 & 119 which is nothing unusual for NZ TAB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted December 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Kotare_Hunter said: Its currently 126 & 119 which is nothing unusual for NZ TAB I meant place sorry (hence 2 divs) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Sickopunter said: I meant place sorry (hence 2 divs) 3 place divs fixed odds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Kotare_Hunter said: 3 place divs fixed odds When there were 5 in it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted December 9, 2016 Just now, Sickopunter said: When there were 5 in it? Yip Perhaps something to do with the crappy software they use as an exuse time and time again. Sickopunter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted December 9, 2016 Just now, Kotare_Hunter said: Yip Perhaps something to do with the crappy software they use as an exuse time and time again. Ok. Im sure even at that it still wasn't good but at least makes some sense now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotare_Hunter 748 Report post Posted December 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, Sickopunter said: Ok. Im sure even at that it still wasn't good but at least makes some sense now. 119 is almost like they made a mistake lol. 5 mins before the start both win and place were at 124 which is often as good as it gets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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