Insider 3,944 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 The above are two very good young stallions standing "outside" the main breeding areas of Auckland and the Waikato. In "your" option who do you think will turn out the best? I know that we will have to wait a few years for a definitive answer, but in the meantime I would like to know your thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 In my humble worthless opinion , Per Incanto needs a big horse and soon otherwise he seems to be heading down the road of bread and Butter stallion a bit like a Sandtrap type stallion and I struggled to see how he stands for $15k 40% wnrs/rnrs . He is $5k more than a champion stallion in Pentire and $10k less than Pins! he also is twice the price of stable mate Nadeem who is currently hitting 67% wnrs/rnr and having had to do it the hard way mostly in Aus. Zacinto certainly seems and intriguing stallion going into his first crop of 3yos, in my eyes at this point in time if you had to choose between the two you'd be mad to not go to Zacinto such is his potential. rdytdy, Insider and Breeder 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,944 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 Huey, thank you for your very considered opinion. Did you see the Zacinto two year old in Melbourne today that finished a very close 2nd = to the highly touted winner. They are talking about the Cauldfield Guineas for the winner, so the second horse(s) must have real ability, so close was the finish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 Yep I saw it, the word is out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 There is another Zacinto in R1 at Sale today called Odeon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,554 Report post Posted July 2, 2016 Inglewood always have good stallions, his progeny sold well at the sales, and were well turned out. Certainly showing early promise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted July 3, 2016 Zacinto has bred a "Jimmy Choux" in Ugo Vescolo. Not bad for a first crop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazach 133 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 Most stallions don't live up to the hype given when they first arrive, and Per Incanto will (IMHO) be just another also ran. One or two good horses from a first crop doesn't translate into a success, but the studs are very quick to up the service fee on the back of a couple of promising types. Certainly doesn't justify more than a 6-7k service fee in my view. Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 On 7/3/2016 at 2:13 PM, Berri said: Zacinto has bred a "Jimmy Choux" in Ugo Vescolo. Not bad for a first crop Ugo Foscolo it is Berri and the horse is very well named. Ugo Foscolo was an Italian writer and poet who wrote a book called A Zacinto Insider and Breeder 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted July 4, 2016 1 hour ago, bazach said: Most stallions don't live up to the hype given when they first arrive, and Per Incanto will (IMHO) be just another also ran. One or two good horses from a first crop doesn't translate into a success, but the studs are very quick to up the service fee on the back of a couple of promising types. Certainly doesn't justify more than a 6-7k service fee in my view. Reading comments like this just reinforces the view that most mare owners have no idea of the commercial realities of the stud business. It also reinforces why most will never breed a decent horse but will always moan when they can't sell their crap yearlings sired by useless stallions at the sales. Insider 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
optical 41 Report post Posted July 12, 2016 Obviously studmasters have to make hay while the sun shines in this fickle industry - A sire can be doing a good job and be knocked and it could have potential and people are all over them. Its like Tavistock he probably isn't worth $65K on paper at the moment and he is doing a solid job but the market demands $65K and is full so who am I to say otherwise.. Same with Per Incanto, probably served a full book at 15K last year so good on the studs if they fill the books at the set fee. It's a business afterall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted July 12, 2016 On 7/4/2016 at 7:52 PM, fitzy said: Reading comments like this just reinforces the view that most mare owners have no idea of the commercial realities of the stud business. It also reinforces why most will never breed a decent horse but will always moan when they can't sell their crap yearlings sired by useless stallions at the sales. Or it illustrates a lot of breeders have more money than sense and love hype, promotion and glossy pictures in choosing a potential consort for their mares. Swynford, Breeder, MiDeBo Racing and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainland Rookie 52 Report post Posted August 17, 2016 Zacinto had a winner at Geelong today, Odeon (the one mentioned above) and it won easily over 1700m! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosie one 177 Report post Posted August 17, 2016 On 7/4/2016 at 7:52 PM, fitzy said: Reading comments like this just reinforces the view that most mare owners have no idea of the commercial realities of the stud business. It also reinforces why most will never breed a decent horse but will always moan when they can't sell their crap yearlings sired by useless stallions at the sales. Fitzy ...... thats not a nice comment. Breeders choice so be it. Have to say though if you do breed to race don't look at the sales to sell, Go to the races and fingers crossed you have bred something special.... then sell$$$$ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey 214 Report post Posted August 18, 2016 Nice per Incanto 3 year old win in the foxbridge plate - is this the 3 year old per Incanto is waiting for? Heading off to Australia to face the age group test ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey 214 Report post Posted September 11, 2016 I guess the answer to will Saracino will measure up is yes, and we'll see the horse in even better races going forward... Swynford and Insider 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted January 6, 2018 Another smart horse with the same cross Saracino, Don Carlo, Tennessee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Ice 36 Report post Posted January 6, 2018 Best In Show is the gold. Second to none when she's duplicated. La Zip and Dopey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjr 43 Report post Posted January 23, 2018 Per Incanto going well, I have a small share in one and its going ok without setting the world on fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted January 27, 2018 On 07/01/2018 at 11:55 AM, Swynford said: Another smart horse with the same cross Saracino, Don Carlo, Tennessee Now a Stakes winner... impressive Dopey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey 214 Report post Posted January 27, 2018 Would have to be one of the best crosses for per Incanto, Breeder will have the stats likely Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeder 608 Report post Posted January 27, 2018 Sorry can't help you with the stats Dopey. The other obvious good cross for Per Incanto is Towkay. I presume Little Avondale had a few Towkays out in the back paddock to work with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 25, 2018 Impressive horse by Zacinto winning the Listed Anzac Stakes at Flemington today coming from last. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 25, 2018 Vassilator's race https://twitter.com/Racing/status/988995388093808640 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zelda kratchanova 2 501 Report post Posted April 25, 2018 cheep buy @ 25,000 n0? 140/1 mathed in the run when bolting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...