Which sector is the most important in racing...

[von Smallhaussen 3,226]

without owners - no horses - without horses - no game - simple as

[bloke 1,232]

19 minutes ago, slam dunk said:

NZRB and NZTR were never intended to run the commercial affairs of racing clubs as Hesi has noted.

For starters the structure should change with...

1. An organisation where all racing clubs can achieve savings in communication, legal, human resources etc around all the activities of a racecourse e.g. function centres, maintenance, marketing.

2. the transfer of NZTR head office to Auckland preferably located on Ellerslie racecourse. 

3. A clear definition of what NZTR purpose is.

4. Slimming down NZRB.

 

 

 

Move NZTR to Ellerslie, really Slam Dunk?  NZ Thoroughbred Breeeders were situated at Ellersile and look what happened to them. They were turfed out.

 

[von Smallhaussen 3,226]

24 minutes ago, slam dunk said:

 

2. the transfer of NZTR head office to Auckland preferably located on Ellerslie racecourse. 

 

 

 

 

NZTR could work out of a Garage in Harihari half way between Greymouth and Haast as nearly all of their communications are electronic. Plus the advantage of not a bakery for miles 

[Turny 1,224]

8 minutes ago, von Smallhaussen said:

without owners - no horses - without horses - no game - simple as

No choice Punters - without Punters - no game - simple as

But we have commingling into Australia - Punters survive

[Ohokaman 5,824]

We are talking about the NZ Racing Industry ( and survival of same ) here Tom.

Without the Owners of the horses, and those that train them and ride them...et al....the punter has nothing.

Using Hesi's retail analogy, if you walk into a shop, and there's nothing on the shelf....what are you going to buy.....??

 

 

[slam dunk 1,317]

26 minutes ago, bloke said:

Move NZTR to Ellerslie, really Slam Dunk?  NZ Thoroughbred Breeeders were situated at Ellersile and look what happened to them. They were turfed out.

 

There would appear numerous posters that criticize NZTR and want change. Yet like Murray Baker they even admit they don't have the answers.

Transferring NZTR means change hence new invigoration not to mention the advantages of hosting sponsors, business partners actually on a racecourse. Where other utilities such a a museum can be developed to add weight to marketing racing.

[Leggy 4,076]

6 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Without the Owners of the horses, and those that train them and ride them...et al....the punter has nothing.

That's unfortunately completely false as recent history can testify to Ohokaman. Punters have plenty of options to choose from. Racing in other codes and other jurisdictions, sports betting and other forms of wagering from online poker to Lotto.

Lose them as we are, and NZ owners and those that owners pay so they can play the game have nothing.

[Leggy 4,076]

3 minutes ago, slam dunk said:

There would appear numerous posters that criticize NZTR and want change. Yet like Murray Baker they even admit they don't have the answers.

Transferring NZTR means change hence new invigoration not to mention the advantages of hosting sponsors, business partners actually on a racecourse. Where other utilities such a a museum can be developed to add weight to marketing racing.

A museum sounds like a good idea. That may be the only place you'll find the vestiges of NZ racing before long.

[Turny 1,224]

19 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

We are talking about the NZ Racing Industry ( and survival of same ) here Tom.

Without the Owners of the horses, and those that train them and ride them...et al....the punter has nothing.

Using Hesi's retail analogy, if you walk into a shop, and there's nothing on the shelf....what are you going to buy.....??

 

 

Lotto

[Turny 1,224]

I am being facetious Dave - I change my diet 

[Leggy 4,076]

1 hour ago, slam dunk said:

4. Slimming down NZRB

I would've thought looking around that it was the pie eating NZTR personnel that needed the slimming down activities. From what I've seen the NZRB leadership and that of their subsidiaries are already frequently actively engaged in high level aerobic activity, albeit sometimes in quite expensive facilities?

[Leggy 4,076]

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[Ohokaman 5,824]

18 minutes ago, Leggy said:

That's unfortunately completely false as recent history can testify to Ohokaman. Punters have plenty of options to choose from. Racing in other codes and other jurisdictions, sports betting and other forms of wagering from online poker to Lotto.

Lose them as we are, and NZ owners and those that owners pay so they can play the game have nothing.

Aren't we talking about the NZ Racing "shop" here Leggy...?? There is only the one.

Punters have always had all those other options open to them. That's because someone puts on the game and allows them to utilise them. NZ Racing needs some serious surgery to compete but also needs to sort out its product, image and positioning to appeal to a wider audience than it does now.

 

[puha 2,177]

Important: of great significance or value. on that basis 1,3,4 rank in the top group . Followed by 2  then 5  and 3 bringing up the rear. 

[Berri 2,131]

Racing in Dubai/ middle east doesn't have punting. Air B&B doesn't own hotels. Uber doesn't own a taxi.

The Arabs nearly control the game, Air B&B is the largest hotel chain in the World and Uber is the largest taxi company in the World.

[barryb 2,064]

Be careful about comparing Racing to NZ Rugby. Peel back the covers a little and you will find Rugby clubs in the financial shit everywhere. Many of them are propped up by ratepayers.

Rugby has declining participation and viewer numbers, its also had its own Sky TV drama where supposedly Rugby is lost to a generation of kids who don't have sky.

If you look at the AB's in isolation everything looks in great shape to an outsider, they are the pinnacle of the sport for sure. As a comparison for racing  if you took the MC & ChCh carnival in isolation you would be forgiven for thinking that racing is in great shape as well.

[Leggy 4,076]

13 minutes ago, Berri said:

Racing in Dubai/ middle east doesn't have punting. Air B&B doesn't own hotels. Uber doesn't own a taxi.

The Arabs nearly control the game, Air B&B is the largest hotel chain in the World and Uber is the largest taxi company in the World.

So Berri, where do you propose funding for NZ racing will come from if it's not from punters?

[Leggy 4,076]

3 minutes ago, Leggy said:

So Berri, where do you propose funding for NZ racing will come from if it's not from punters?

Oh and I'd hardly describe Airbnb as a hotel chain? They promote themselves as The Worldwide Alternative to Hotels.

[barryb 2,064]

NPC is dead mate, no one gives a toss about it anymore, The Ranfurly Shield has died as well.

Rugby is  declining so fast its not funny, the game is on its knees mate and its an illusion as to its health.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/69752802/auckland-club-rugby-facing-crisis-as-player-numbers-take-significant-hit

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/sport/9379409/Three-factors-hurrying-rugbys-decline

http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/rugby-why-is-our-national-game-in-decline-2009062519#axzz4ClsRe4x4

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/304708/is-auckland-dropping-the-ball-on-rugby

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/06/the-dying-of-the-new-zealand-rugby-supporter/

[scooby3051 10,863]

9 hours ago, slam dunk said:

And you all get sucked and brainwashed into another Midget 11 typical diatribe.

Firstly the hypocrisy. If we just mention Midget11 real name the site owner will probably cancel the membership. But for Midget11 having been privy to private information on real posters names now discloses that information. But his own oh no that's taboo. The fact most know who he is is immaterial search engines don't. There are reasons posters don't want there name disclosed just as that.

95% of Midget11 posts all have the theme "I am more important than you how dare you you infringe on my territory." Then without knowing much about the person that disagrees with him he will launch into personally discrediting that person.

Midget11 typifies what is wrong with the industry. Too many think they are more important than others. Now Midget11 invested his future in the industry as an apprentice jockey then got involved in other ways. I respect the knowledge and also admire the effort in getting veterinary qualifications. Even that doesn't give him the right to go about proclaiming he is more important than others. The others may do or not do things that require criticism. However everyone in their own way is important. In fact  those that do the most seldom get the recognition. A good example would be Brenda Collins. The industry had the opportunity to recognise her contribution but chose not to. Ask her after having dealt with a wide cross section what she thinks of many in the industry..

 

Why don't you just ignore it if you don't have something to contribute... you really are predictable...get over it.

[bloke 1,232]

25 minutes ago, barryb said:

NPC is dead mate, no one gives a toss about it anymore, The Ranfurly Shield has died as well.

Rugby is  declining so fast its not funny, the game is on its knees mate and its an illusion as to its health.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/69752802/auckland-club-rugby-facing-crisis-as-player-numbers-take-significant-hit

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/sport/9379409/Three-factors-hurrying-rugbys-decline

http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/rugby-why-is-our-national-game-in-decline-2009062519#axzz4ClsRe4x4

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/304708/is-auckland-dropping-the-ball-on-rugby

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/06/the-dying-of-the-new-zealand-rugby-supporter/

Rugby has taken a batering for playing numbers specially in Auckland and Wellington. Football has twice as many playing the game in Wellington.

However, at the top Rugby rules with The Super 18 and The All Blacks because the National Body runs these aspects of the game very well.

Football now has the numbers but they are run by a bunch of idiots and they stumble from one disaster to another. I could just imagine someone like Bayliss fitting in really well at NZ Football.

 

[Berri 2,131]

1 hour ago, Leggy said:

Oh and I'd hardly describe Airbnb as a hotel chain? They promote themselves as The Worldwide Alternative to Hotels.

Strange that. Some one still has to stay in a room and have a shit, shower and shave. Interesting thread this. Well done mighty midget. Certainly got the spiders spinning new webs.

The perspective is interesting. The punters think they rule the roost but 20,000 odd people who work with horses daily would probably suggest that the owners of the horses are the most important. That's where and why they get paid. The punters don't directly pay these people. If we gave up breeding/ owning in this country and just ran an AirB&B betting system poaching content from all over the World, the punting industry would survive. Marbles aren't horses (lotto) and casinos aren't horses, so let's create an AirB&B version of betting, make ourselves seriously competitive by offering a legal platform for all the bookmakers in the World, and take a bit of what they offer. Better still, lets invent the best betting affiliate scheme on the planet and create 1m bookmakers who all leverage off the technology to offer their clients and partners the bets that everyone decides to offer. There should be no limit.

So let's get to the horses. I like horses. I think they are good for human beings and we could stop all the racing in this country and export every horse to Australia/ Asia. That's our future market anyway and most of my horses race in Australia and I don't feel as though I'm missing out because I'm completely disillusioned with NZ racing. I part own a horse called Snapshot. Quite a nice beast....winner of 6 from 9 (forget the Easter run...he wasn't all there). For the 6 wins (one open class) we've picked up $83,000. So we are now paying $3k per month in expenses all up, that is $36k per annum. We are that far behind the eight ball for a "successful horse" that its a joke. One win in Sydney or Melbourne changes that game. So where should we race?.....another good horse lost to the other side?

Could we sustain a breeding industry without racing?....probably. We do it already in deer and cattle so why not horses. But horses are good for us.

[Turny 1,224]

If you think NZ racing today is a goer - well you were born at the wrong time just turn the clock back 30 years and you had a chance the glory days are gone, racing hasn't changed with the times - it is a dinosaur in NZ - it is dead 

[rdytdy 5,341]

10 hours ago, Leggy said:

So Berri, where do you propose funding for NZ racing will come from if it's not from punters?

Still awaiting your reply to Leggy's question Berri.

You bemoan the poor stake money here (and fair enough) but without the funding of most of it by punters you would be racing for a mere pittance. 

Ohokaman, perhaps you would like to respond to the question also. 

[Berri 2,131]

I've given the answer. Either close racing and/ or open up betting to an AirB&B model as described in my previous post. Thought that was obvious