chevy86 2,683 Report post Posted May 26, 2016 Seems to have a small problem with a certain substance. Should be OK if it is medicinal for arthritis. Positives lately are pretty easy to explain away with a bit of lateral thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted May 26, 2016 What's with the terminology used "a non-negative drug test test to cannabis.?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted May 26, 2016 Screening drug tests are usually returned either negative or non-negative Ted with the latter then usually sent to the lab for confirmation of presence and levels of the substance. I'm curious that a non-negative finding actually meets the criteria for stand-down under 657 (1) (b) though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted May 26, 2016 Wondered why he wasn't riding at Trentham tomorrow...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,025 Report post Posted May 26, 2016 I thought he was over all that shit.I guess once a ratbag always a ratbag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, richie said: I thought he was over all that shit.I guess once a ratbag always a ratbag. A bit harsh Ritchie. Been a great servant to the game for decades and just like most people, not perfect Lynne Corbett, Pukemoe, trakdap and 9 others 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,025 Report post Posted May 26, 2016 47 minutes ago, Newmarket said: A bit harsh Ritchie. Been a great servant to the game for decades and just like most people, not perfect Newmarket ,not to malign him to much but everybody involved in any way with South Island racing know he always been a ratbag.Unfortunately he seems to have a very addictive personality and has had to cope with all sorts of problems because of this.Saying that it is a credit to his skills that he always manages to overcome these problems and come back into the game as very good rider.I would hate to think that this would be the end of his career as he deserves to go out on better terms than this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 Stop it Richie, this is at the minor end of the minor end of the scale. He's clearly been a bit thirsty on the way to the trials and stopped for a drink from a local hemp farmers water trough, nothing to it, five minute hearing follows by a wet bus ticket then business as usual. His blood type is said to be rum and coke anyway so this is hardly breaking news. ivanthegreat, aquaman, Counter Punch and 7 others 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the shue25 145 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 I totally agree,Not a very nice comment at all. Turny 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the shue25 145 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: A bit harsh Ritchie. Been a great servant to the game for decades and just like most people, not perfect Totally agree with you,not a very nice thing to say about one of the best in the last 35 yrs. THE TORCH, kakama and Turny 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Trum 56 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 2nd hand smoke that's all it was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 When the RIU proceed with this case it will be interesting to see just what sort of reading he returned and also any previous indiscretions of a similar nature. In the interim the court of public opinion will no doubt preside. elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoKnows 791 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 So because he is CWJ he is somehow exempt from backlash is he? He was riding at the trials while under the influence of illegal drugs, everyone knows what can go wrong at the best of times, let alone while high and putting other people's lives at risk. Just a bit of dope you might say, and yes it seems to be the staple diet of a lot of people in the racing industry, but he should be a role model to a lot of young jockeys, especially in the south, so I hope they don't just brush it off. Shad, richie and crustyngrizzly 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 Far more danger from unsafe tracks ( both training and riding ) and following unsafe apprentices in a race than there'll ever be with him having a bit of dope in his system. That said it's a silly thing to do, but it's not a hanging offense. aquaman, the shue25, Black Kirrama and 3 others 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, WhoKnows said: So because he is CWJ he is somehow exempt from backlash is he? He was riding at the trials while under the influence of illegal drugs, everyone knows what can go wrong at the best of times, let alone while high and putting other people's lives at risk. Just a bit of dope you might say, and yes it seems to be the staple diet of a lot of people in the racing industry, but he should be a role model to a lot of young jockeys, especially in the south, so I hope they don't just brush it off. Clearly not exempt judging by the robust discussion on this thread WhoKnows. I am sure your sentiments will be brought up if/when he is before JCA. He is innocent at the moment because he is yet to be found guilty of the charges that presumably will be laid.Lets see what unfolds shall we. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 midget u are exactly right given it stays in your system a very long time - meth much worse goes out very quickly. he has been a great rider and still is- easy to point the finger at a public figure- most peoples private lives never get exposed in a public manner- slap on the hand enough I reckon. Black Kirrama, Turny and elbow 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,025 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 Under new Health and safety laws a lot of businesses now do drug testing,including where i work.Under our policy a non-negative is automatic standdown until 2nd test confirmation.If that comes back positive 3 months standdown and then have to give a negative before allowed back to work. If somebody has an accident at a business without a drug and alcohol policy and is investigated by OSH a drug test is now mandatory.If found positive company fined as well as worker.However if you can prove that you have a policy with regular testing company wont be held with same sort of liability.Would imagine CWJ would have to give a negative test before can ride again as liability would be huge if he caused accident. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 He could sit on backwards and still ride better than most of his opposition down there Tim. Rumpers will defend him and I think the JCA ( who are taking a very sensible approach these days, ditto the RIU ) will see this for what it is. Thank fook he didn't take a Barocca on the way to the races and test positive for cobalt. Ragamuffin, trakdap, elbow and 3 others 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 51 minutes ago, Midget said: Thank fook he didn't take a Barocca on the way to the races and test positive for cobalt. Are they testing riders for cobalt these days? If so, I probably should leave the multivit till I get back from the track in the morning? Los Lobos and Turny 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, richie said: Under new Health and safety laws a lot of businesses now do drug testing,including where i work.Under our policy a non-negative is automatic standdown until 2nd test confirmation.If that comes back positive 3 months standdown and then have to give a negative before allowed back to work. Maybe, but the requirement of the rule he has been stood down under in is "such sample or samples is or are found upon analysis to contain any controlled drug as defined in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975 or other illicit substance and/or its metabolites, artifacts or isomers," I fail to see how a non-negative screen meets that standard. I think that needs testing and this might be the chance. Come in Rumpole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 Let the issue unfold - not a game loser - and if it were just imagine the loss - Champion bloke - in a class of his own and the issue will unfold when the true facts are tabled by Rumpole - don't prejudge the issue - give CWJ space - jasonmccook1 and Irishbay 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE TORCH 657 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 The sooner he is back at the races the better. Gets the most out of horses - those over rated hoops can only dream of being as good. kakama, Turny and elbow 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish 268 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 Without wishing to upset some of those who posted the above comments and bearing in mind I've had a bad three weeks - during which time I had to send my loved Conor to God - I am certainly not at my sparkling best. However, we all blunder. Every one of us. Same as Chris supposedly has. Blundered as badly has been portrayed here or a simple mistake is another story. Maybe we should be a little kinder to each other instead of taking the opportunity to point the finger at someone. If your comment is only going to achieve negativity and hurt perhaps it's better not to comment. Far as I can see, Chris Johnson is one of the best in the business. He may be considered, by some of you, to be a flawed hero but does that make him a lesser person?? I think not. Overcheck, Midget, Chestnut and 6 others 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,025 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Leggy said: Maybe, but the requirement of the rule he has been stood down under in is "such sample or samples is or are found upon analysis to contain any controlled drug as defined in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975 or other illicit substance and/or its metabolites, artifacts or isomers," I fail to see how a non-negative screen meets that standard. I think that needs testing and this might be the chance. Come in Rumpole. A non negative means first test a positive but because of the pc brigade they not allowed to call it that till 2nd test back. Generally speaking 2nd test is only a formality and done only because pc human rights people demand it.A Human resources person at large freezing works has told me that of 40 odd non negative tests ,all have come back positive. It has been proven that within 24 hours of smoking pot it has the same effect as being 3 times over the alcohol limit.I am sure if somebody was 3 times over alcohol limit and attempting to ride there would be hell to pay.I have been critical of CWJ over quite a while about his lifestyle but wont comment again until 2nd test comes back,which i am sure his supporters will fuzzy up the findings anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...