Rider Horse NZ

[rosie one 177]

42 minutes ago, barryb said:

Yep you could do that. but that would be like Air NZ flying all it's staff around free to fill a plane.

Long term not that viable.

Now Now barryb....   you cant win them all

[Leggy 4,065]

1 hour ago, barryb said:

Yep you could do that. but that would be like Air NZ flying all it's staff around free to fill a plane.

Long term not that viable.

No. That sounds more like an NZTR strategy.

[barryb 2,064]

5 hours ago, rosie one said:

Now Now barryb....   you cant win them all

Look Rosie I will offer you $3k for him, then he is off your hands.

You have no stress or hassles, you can sit back and cheer him on when I race him in 2 years.

Small loss for you now will in 2 years have added another $20k to it, if you hold onto him. Really when you look at it I am doing you a favour. I might even let you keep a share or 2 in him.

[Insider 3,932]

51 minutes ago, barryb said:

Look Rosie I will offer you $3k for him, then he is off your hands.

You have no stress or hassles, you can sit back and cheer him on when I race him in 2 years.

Small loss for you now will in 2 years have added another $20k to it, if you hold onto him. Really when you look at it I am doing you a favour. I might even let you keep a share or 2 in him.

Or you could sell him to an Asia conglomerate from inner China to where they export him and you never hear of him again, find out nothing and always wonder what all you planning, feeding and love came to. 

Yes, you have some or all of your money back but for what it's done for the future of your family, it would have been better if the poor little thing had died at birth.

At least next year when you try to sell his sister, it would show in the catalogue as the fourth live foal rather than the fifth and so on and so forth. 

Put it another way, all it is doing is destroying another NZ family, for what?

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20 minutes ago, Insider said:

Or you could sell him to an Asia conglomerate from inner China to where they export him and you never hear of him again, find out nothing and always wonder what all you planning, feeding and love came to. 

Yes, you have some or all of your money back but for what it's done for the future of your family, it would have been better if the poor little thing had died at birth.

At least next year when you try to sell his sister, it would show in the catalogue as the fourth live foal rather than the fifth and so on and so forth. 

Put it another way, all it is doing is destroying another NZ family, for what?

You really need to catch up with the changing world... times change so we all must move on.

[puha 2,177]

10 hours ago, rosie one said:

Thats why we the breeders are SELLING  overseas !

It's a vicious cycle as the purchase price is only the start for us mugs that enjoy racing horses. 

[mooseman 807]

Go Zabeel.!!!!

[scooby3051 10,851]

2 hours ago, Insider said:

Or you could sell him to an Asia conglomerate from inner China to where they export him and you never hear of him again, find out nothing and always wonder what all you planning, feeding and love came to. 

Yes, you have some or all of your money back but for what it's done for the future of your family, it would have been better if the poor little thing had died at birth.

At least next year when you try to sell his sister, it would show in the catalogue as the fourth live foal rather than the fifth and so on and so forth. 

Put it another way, all it is doing is destroying another NZ family, for what?

Easy answer for you Insider... don't take them to the sales if you feel you don't want them going somewhere you don't like... if it is a business then going to auction means you agree to the horse being sold to the highest bidder... can't have it both ways.

[Insider 3,932]

1 hour ago, scooby3051 said:

Easy answer for you Insider... don't take them to the sales if you feel you don't want them going somewhere you don't like... if it is a business then going to auction means you agree to the horse being sold to the highest bidder... can't have it both ways.

Scooby, I agree 100% with what you say above. It's simply the conundrum that I am now caught up in and which I don't like.

You see I have been in the game for 40 years and have seen the changes and the consequences of the various Asia markets, positive and negative. 

Each country involved has a different outcome whether you are the mare owner or the stallion owner and all I am spelling out, is the outcome (currently) if they end up in mainland China.

 

 

 

[rosie one 177]

14 hours ago, barryb said:

Look Rosie I will offer you $3k for him, then he is off your hands.

You have no stress or hassles, you can sit back and cheer him on when I race him in 2 years.

Small loss for you now will in 2 years have added another $20k to it, if you hold onto him. Really when you look at it I am doing you a favour. I might even let you keep a share or 2 in him.

LOL Barryb, I wasn't going to bring this in to the open forum..... You have me thinking thou, regarding local racing and being able to watch the lad do his thing and possibly retaining a share or two.  

Call it faith, but after reading your message I went to feed the lad and low and behold he put on a massive display gallop and fully extended trotting, he ran circles around his paddock mate and still had gas to burn when he stop... very clean winded.

Barryb if your are serious about owning this horse I suggest you private message me and start talking turkey.  

By the way, it wouldnt be 20k in 2years, if he is a good stayer it would more likely to be 100k for a good stayer

[Cornelius 94]

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2016 at 7:26 PM, biff said:

Korea is a disgrace, Malaysia also, you don't want your lovely weaners or yearlings to go there, or maybe you do......to each his own.

Biff - have you seen Korean racing?

Talk to people who have! like Masa Tanaka!

Korea is the fastest rising racing nation in the world. https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/watch-out-fastest-rising-racing-nation-earth

NZ and NZ Bloodstock are focusing too much on Mongolia racing and not looking at Korea. Korea is the next Hong Kong.

• Korea has the third highest average (behind Hong Kong and Dubai) purse money of any jurisdiction in the world - at around US$76,000 per race.
• Korea wager US$7 billion annually on racing alone - putting it seventh in the world. With only two thoroughbred racetracks that race only Friday-Sunday, and no internet betting and only 30 TABs (OTB) in the country.
• Korea are PART II jurisdiction.
• Australia and Singapore take gambling on Korean racing over the weekend and is televised in these countries. Watch SkyAUS.
• Two Korean horses competed at the Dubai Carnival, one finishing third to California Chrome in the pre-lim race to the World Cup
• Average attendance of 30,000 people. 40,000 watched locally trained Choegang Schiller beat NZ bred Singapore dirt specialist El Padrino, in the Asia Cup.
• Korea are building a new racetrack, that will be the biggest in Asia.

Korea import over 200 horses a year from USA, and only 4 horses a year from NZ.

Far from a disgrace of a jurisdiction!

 

 

[biff 2,158]

I wouldn't quote if I hadn't seen. Sand tracks, poor horsemanship skills, I turned down an opportunity to train there, you'd need s--t for brains, no use quoting attendance figures Cornelius, they get those crowds to the cock fights in Angeles City in Manilla. The horses in Korea are second rate, always have been, the only racing worth it's salt is HK or SING, and at least many of those Chinese owners have scruples and/or believe in Karma, they repatriate their horse back to Oz/NZ to retire. Every now and then they discover a good one in Korea, that's life, Geez even Tasmania produced Sydeston.

[Cornelius 94]

How long ago did you go?

So, the IFHA just upgraded Korea to PART II just last month.

Your saying the International Federation of Horse Racing are wrong??. haha.

The horses are 2nd rate? Success Story third to California Chrome in Dubai. Choegang Schiller beat NZ bred Singapore dirt specialist El Padrino, in the Asia Cup.  El Padrino was world rated sprinter last year for his placing in Dubai.

Korea used to have a buying cap of US$50,000. That is now gone and Korea are now buying more expensive horses in USA. NZ missed the boat.

no use quoting attendence figures? I bet NZ racing would like just a 10,000th of those figures.

Hong Kong wasn't as prolific as it is now. Takes some time. The old Happy Valley used to be sand. Korea's are also now converting. their new racetrack will be grass.

Singapore is trending slowly down. Gambling figures are down, they also got rid of their International races.

Korea are trying to get their breeding scheme up to world standard from scratch (HK and Sing don't). A lot of top stallions brought in Korea. Our studs should get there.

At least horses that race in Korea, are recognized by the international stud books. Horses that race in China and Inner Mongolia are NOT! China don't enter our NZ exports into the China Stud Book. We have lost those horses forever! And that is important. Progeny of Zabeel etc... have gone to China and Inner Mongolia, and studs cant use their race records in China and Inner Mongolia as a record, they are not registered.

[biff 2,158]

Although it may be a few years since I was in Seoul, I keep abreast of racing and especially Asia, for reasons that will remain private, suffice to say Korea is like Macau, it may be improving, however it is so far behind HK it's in another galaxy......you quote IFHA, well good old NZ does not have one Gr1 in the top 100 Gr1, so that;s an indicator of how they think. You have your opine on our exported horses not being recognised should they race in China and Inner Mongolia, what do you think that will do to the pedigree pages?........you are spruiking Korea, as I've said, you're entitled to your view, I've stated mine.

[Cornelius 94]

6 hours ago, biff said:

Although it may be a few years since I was in Seoul, I keep abreast of racing and especially Asia, for reasons that will remain private, suffice to say Korea is like Macau, it may be improving, however it is so far behind HK it's in another galaxy......you quote IFHA, well good old NZ does not have one Gr1 in the top 100 Gr1, so that;s an indicator of how they think. You have your opine on our exported horses not being recognised should they race in China and Inner Mongolia, what do you think that will do to the pedigree pages?........you are spruiking Korea, as I've said, you're entitled to your view, I've stated mine.

Changing your tune. At the start, you stated "Korea is a disgrace". Now, your saying, "it may be improving".

You may have seen a sand track what your not used to, and not the best horseman compared to here but other nations do things different. In brazil a lot of trackwork in done bareback. Geez, don't their jockeys' show something!

I never compared the racing in HK to Korea. I agree HK is in another galaxy, and it is to the rest of the world or racing. But HK was like Macau back in the 80s, and so was Japan. Turnover drove these jurisdictions to the top of world racing.

Im not spruiking Korea, Im just saying Korea is not a disgrace, like you said when they:

• Korea has the third highest average (behind Hong Kong and Dubai) purse money of any jurisdiction in the world - at around US$76,000 per race.
• Korea wager US$7 billion annually on racing alone - putting it seventh in the world. With only two thoroughbred racetracks that race only Friday-Sunday, and no internet betting and only 30 TABs (OTB) in the country.
• Korea are PART II jurisdiction.
• Australia and Singapore take gambling on Korean racing over the weekend and is televised in these countries. Watch SkyAUS.
• Two Korean horses competed at the Dubai Carnival, one finishing third to California Chrome in the pre-lim race to the World Cup
• Average attendance of 30,000 people. 40,000 watched locally trained Choegang Schiller beat NZ bred Singapore dirt specialist El Padrino, in the Asia Cup.
• Korea are building a new racetrack, that will be the biggest in Asia.

Meanwhile, exporting all these horses to inner Mongolia is not a great thing. They will be lost,  if not registered in the china stud book.

Most NZ exported horses are not registered in the China Stud Book. FACT!!

Alcott (NZ) by Zabeel, was 2014 Champion China Stayer, his achievements are not on his half-brother’s (Lot 883) catalogue at this year’s Karaka Select Sale. 

You must be at the top of world racing, since you know more that the IFHA!

Nor should NZ have one Gr1 race in the top 100 Gr1. Name one that should??

PS. I know one NZ trainer years ago that was going to go to Korea.

[barryb 2,064]

7 hours ago, rosie one said:

LOL Barryb, I wasn't going to bring this in to the open forum..... You have me thinking thou, regarding local racing and being able to watch the lad do his thing and possibly retaining a share or two.  

Call it faith, but after reading your message I went to feed the lad and low and behold he put on a massive display gallop and fully extended trotting, he ran circles around his paddock mate and still had gas to burn when he stop... very clean winded.

Barryb if your are serious about owning this horse I suggest you private message me and start talking turkey.  

By the way, it wouldnt be 20k in 2years, if he is a good stayer it would more likely to be 100k for a good stayer

I have put an offer to you Rosie. $3K.

You have had a reality check on his value a couple of weeks ago. I have offered you more than that.

Just on your assumption of $100k, this time in 2 years he will be lucky to have had a run

Zed's in 2yr old races are not often witnessed unfortunately Rosie.

 

[biff 2,158]

3 hours ago, Cornelius said:

Changing your tune. At the start, you stated "Korea is a disgrace". Now, your saying, "it may be improving".

You may have seen a sand track what your not used to, and not the best horseman compared to here but other nations do things different. In brazil a lot of trackwork in done bareback. Geez, don't their jockeys' show something!

I never compared the racing in HK to Korea. I agree HK is in another galaxy, and it is to the rest of the world or racing. But HK was like Macau back in the 80s, and so was Japan. Turnover drove these jurisdictions to the top of world racing.

Im not spruiking Korea, Im just saying Korea is not a disgrace, like you said when they:

• Korea has the third highest average (behind Hong Kong and Dubai) purse money of any jurisdiction in the world - at around US$76,000 per race.
• Korea wager US$7 billion annually on racing alone - putting it seventh in the world. With only two thoroughbred racetracks that race only Friday-Sunday, and no internet betting and only 30 TABs (OTB) in the country.
• Korea are PART II jurisdiction.
• Australia and Singapore take gambling on Korean racing over the weekend and is televised in these countries. Watch SkyAUS.
• Two Korean horses competed at the Dubai Carnival, one finishing third to California Chrome in the pre-lim race to the World Cup
• Average attendance of 30,000 people. 40,000 watched locally trained Choegang Schiller beat NZ bred Singapore dirt specialist El Padrino, in the Asia Cup.
• Korea are building a new racetrack, that will be the biggest in Asia.

Meanwhile, exporting all these horses to inner Mongolia is not a great thing. They will be lost,  if not registered in the china stud book.

Most NZ exported horses are not registered in the China Stud Book. FACT!!

Alcott (NZ) by Zabeel, was 2014 Champion China Stayer, his achievements are not on his half-brother’s (Lot 883) catalogue at this year’s Karaka Select Sale. 

You must be at the top of world racing, since you know more that the IFHA!

Nor should NZ have one Gr1 race in the top 100 Gr1. Name one that should??

PS. I know one NZ trainer years ago that was going to go to Korea. 

Be very very careful what you write!.......

[rosie one 177]

2 hours ago, barryb said:

I have put an offer to you Rosie. $3K.

You have had a reality check on his value a couple of weeks ago. I have offered you more than that.

Just on your assumption of $100k, this time in 2 years he will be lucky to have had a run

Zed's in 2yr old races are not often witnessed unfortunately Rosie.

 

Barryb... no thanks. I rest my case.  You can Go and rob some one else.

 

[barryb 2,064]

He is only worth what someone is prepared to pay Rosie, nothing else determines his value.

When you turn down an offer you are effectively buying him back at that price.

 

When you are ready to meet the market PM me, I have 2 years to wait for your boy.

[rosie one 177]

15 minutes ago, barryb said:

He is only worth what someone is preparein to pay Rosie, nothing else determines his value.

When you turn down an offer you are effectively buying him back at that price.

 

When you are ready to meet the market PM me, I have 2 years to wait for your boy.

Ive done my homework Barry and I know I have a very nice example... I have other options tjhat are far more appealing than what you think and want. Hav a good nite .

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Yellow card Cornelius!!