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25 minutes ago, crustyngrizzly said:

Good friend of mine,who raced several smart horses always questioned the performance of IRONIC.

He mentioned IDOMENEO several times in his talks.

Mind you it couldn't have helped his mood when he purchased a well bred dud by HEADLAND 11.

 

The "Comet From The Coalfields" champion, Luskin Star was out of the Idomeneo mare Promising.

 

All three stallions you mentioned above Crusty stood at Pirongia Stud

17 Nov 2006 | By Renee Geelen, de Kabat Bloodstock 

In many respects, the story of Pirongia Stud is the story of Le Filou.  Many studs become defined by a horse if they stand a champion stallion, and Pirongia Stud is no different.  In fact, when researching this story, it was difficult to find any references to the stud that didn’t mention Le Filou. 

It is appropriate as this story is about the stable block that was built for Le Filou at the stud and has a commemoration plaque at the front door.  Le Filou is buried in the rose garden outside.

Pirongia Stud was owned by Jack Macky, who inherited the property from his father.  Originally the property was a 460 acre block that ran sheep and cattle.  Jack Macky snr was well reknowned for breeding draught horses, but the world was changing.  By the time that Jack Macky took over, farming was becoming mechanised and the need for draught horses in decline.  Jack bought himself a thoroughbred broodmare and when her first foal was a winner, the idea that became Pirongia Stud developed.  By the 1950s the other farming activities had been phased out and the stud was fully established. 

The first stallion to stand at Pirongia Stud was Contact, followed by Triumvir and Duccio.  Le Filou arrived in 1951 and not many would have thought he would be so defining.  Typical of horses imported at the time he was beautifully bred, but no superstar racehorse.  He may have become too expensive for NZ buyers if he hadn’t been injured as a 3yo after winning three races (one at 2).  According to the thoroughbred breeders stallion register of 1951, Le Filou stood his first season at 125gns.  This rose to 200gns in 1963 (after winning the sires premiership in 1961-62) and was 500gns in 1966 at the peak of his career. 

His full stud career yielded 406 foals over 17 crops (only 24 foals per crop on average).  When the races won by his progeny were put into the black type system, he had left 56 SW (an amazing 13.8%) and 22 Gr1 winners.  Included in this are eight two mile Cup winners (Melbourne Cup: Light Fingers, Red Handed.  Auckland Cup: Floutulla, Senor. Wellington Cup: Bon Filou, Michael Molloy.  Brisbane Cup: Fulmen.  New Zealand Cup: Noir Filou.)  He also left the winners of four Derbys and three Oaks.    He was crowned Champion Sire four times in 1961-62, 1963-64, 1965-66 and 1966-67. 

In 1967, just after being crowned Champion Sire for the fourth time, his 11 yearlings sold for an average of $3,395.  He was the second leading sire by average (from Alcimedes at $5,012).  That year, 293 yearlings averaged $1058.50.  The top priced yearling of the sale was $12,000 and the top priced yearling by Le Filou was $6,000.

Le Filou died in 1969 and was buried outside his box in the stable block that was specially built for him.  A concrete structure with 12 boxes and a small staff quarter out the back, no expense had been spared in its construction.

In his obituary in the Breeder’s Bulletin of Dec 1969, it is stated that Le Filou would have a lasting legacy as a sire and broodmare sire.  This has become true and Le Filou went on to be crowned Champion Broodmare sire several times.  In addition, Jack Glengarry once claimed that every horse inbred to Le Filou had been a winner.  One of those carrying this duplication was the ill-fated Oaks winner Wharite Princess.  There are plenty of examples of horses out of Le Filou mares.  Top broodmare sire and racehorse Vice Regal is out of a Le Filou mare, and champion racehorse Lonhro’s fourth dam is Gay Poss an AJC Oaks winner by Le Filou.  Zabeel is another who feels his influence, as his fifth dam Vaneuse is a three-quarter sister to Le Filou.  Linebreeders might attribute the good record of Zabeel over Vice Regal mares to this mix. 

When Le Filou died in 1969, Pirongia Stud was 300 acres of lush farmland looking towards Pirongia Mountain.  The post-Le Filou era of Pirongia Stud has been hard to research.  They stood the sires Idomeneo, Ironic and Headland.  The 1980 stallion register was the last time the stud appeared in that publication.  When Jack Macky died, the property was sold and was split up.  The stable block remained on a property that was about 60 acres.  This was split up again and the stable block now exists as part of a 12 acre property on Macky Road.   

When the current owners bought the property, there was an old wooden house and a huge run-down concrete stable block on 12 acres.  They started to renovate the house, but asked each other ‘what are we going to do with that huge concrete building?’. On discovering that the wooden house was rotten they decided to make the stable block into a house.  Imagine a house with a hallway as wide as the alley way in a stable block.  In a nice touch, each room retains the tie up ring that had been concreted into the corner of each box.  The property still has the other horse facilities, such as lunging ring and nicely fenced paddocks.

And in full circle the house, along with Le Filou, is now for sale.  A piece of NZ’s breeding history passes on.  Let’s hope that whoever buys it respects Le Filou’s final burial place under the rose garden.

 

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On 5/7/2017 at 9:09 PM, TOM(the other Molloy) said:

Sorry forget that. Fan Letter was out of mare called Admiring not Priceless Gem Noble Bijou's dam.

Interesting though to look up Flying View's record.  When he won the Telegraph(1980) his prior start was a Reefton win. Respective stakes $15000 and $4000. Today $200000 and $25000. Shows how the low level stakes have not kept up with the elite as they should have.

One called oldtimer train up that way by country dance, also one called country manners won a few round the smalls.

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Whilst you are all thinking about some duds I thought I would put up a list of Champion Sires to jog some memories:

CHAMPION NZ SIRES

ALL TIME CHAMPION NEW ZEALAND SIRES (GROSVENOR AWARD)

Ranked by number domestic general sire premierships won

FOXBRIDGE (GB)
Trelawney Stud, Cambridge
Eleven titles, 1941-51
ST LEGER Eight titles, between 1893 & 1902
MARTIAN Seven titles, between 1914 & 1921
VOLKSRAAD (GB)
Windsor Park Stud, Cambridge
Eight titles, between 2001-10
SOULT Six titles, 1908-13
HUNTING SONG Six titles, 1933-38
ABSURD (GB)
Koatanui Stud, Wanganui
Five titles, between 1922 & 1927
COPENHAGEN II (GB)
Wynthorpe Stud, Waiatara
Four titles, between 1968 & 1976
Le FILOU (FR)
Pirongia Stud, Te Awamutu
Four titles, between 1962 & 1967
ZABEEL (NZ)
Cambridge Stud, Cambridge
Four titles, 1998-01
 
O'REILLY (NZ)
Waikato Stud, Matamata
Four titles, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014

GROSVENOR AWARD WINNERS

Champion New Zealand-based sires by total progeny earnings within New Zealand

2015-16 SAVABEEL (AUS)
2014-15 SAVABEEL (AUS)
2013-14 O'REILLY (NZ)
2012-13 O'REILLY (NZ)
2011-12 O'REILLY (NZ)
2010-11 THORN PARK (AUS)
2009-10 VOLKSRAAD (GB)
2008-09 VOLKSRAAD (GB)
2007-08 O'REILLY (NZ)
2006-07 VOLKSRAAD (GB)
2005-06 VOLKSRAAD (GB) $1,530,867 - record earnings to date
2004-05 VOLKSRAAD (GB) $1,489,917 - record earnings to date
2003-04 VOLKSRAAD (GB) $1,443,096
2002-03 VOLKSRAAD (GB) $1,188,637
2001-02
 
VOLKSRAAD (GB) (Green Desert-Celtic Assembly by Secretariat)
Northern Dancer-Danzig sireline
Nelson Schick & Sue Schick's Windsor Park Stud, Cambridge
$924,405
2000-01 ZABEEL (NZ) $815,471
1999-00 ZABEEL (NZ) $1,285,337
1998-99 ZABEEL (NZ) $667,630
1997-98
 
ZABEEL (NZ) (1986 Sir Tristram-Lady Giselle by Nureyev)
Royal Charger-Turn-to sireline
Sir Patrick & Lady Hogan's Cambridge Stud, Cambridge
$1,097,425
1996-97 FAMOUS STAR (GB) $664,420
1995-96 KINGDOM BAY (NZ) $690,475
1994-95
 
FAMOUS STAR (GB) (1979 Sharpen Up-Hecla by Henry the Seventh)
Native Dancer-Atan sireline, Ra Ora Stud Auckland
$838,610
1993-94
 
KINGDOM BAY (NZ) (1981 Otehi Bay-Golden Praise by Golden Plume)
Star Kingdom-Biscay sireline
Jack & Kay O'Brien's Sovereign Lodge Stud, Ohau, Levin
$737,100
1992-93
 
NOBLE BIJOU (USA) (1971 Vaguely Noble-Priceless Gem by Hail to Reason)
Hyperion-Aureole sireline
Brian & Lorraine Anderton's White Robe Lodge, Mosgiel, Otago
$597,232
1991-92
 
STRAIGHT STRIKE (USA) (1977 Mr Prospector-Bend Not by Never Bend)
Native Dancer-Raise A Native sireline
Ra Ora Stud, Auckland
$645,080
1990-91
 
CRESTED WAVE (USA) (1976 Crozier-Fading Wave by Quibu)
Tourbillon-Djebel sireline
Ron & Carolyn Chitty's Haunui Farm, Auckland
$948,981
1989-90 THREE LEGS (GB) $1,168,350
1988-89
 
THREE LEGS (GB) (1972 Petingo-Teodara by Hard Sauce)
Fairway-Fair Trial sireline
Tom Lowry's Okawa Stud, Hawke's Bay
$1,120,405
1987-88
 
SOUND REASON (CAN) (1974 Bold Reason-New Tune byNew Providence)
Royal Charger-Turn-to sireline
Olly Goodwin's Riddlesworth Stud, Masterton
$1,125,870
1986-87
 
SIR TRISTRAM (IRE) (1971 Sir Ivor-Isolt by Round Table)
Royal Charger-Turn-to sireline
Patrick & Justine Hogan's Cambridge Stud, Cambridge
$857,585
1985-86
 
ZAMAZAAN (FR) (1965 Exbury-Toyama II by Tulyar)
Blandford-Le Haar sireline
Keith Burley's Carlyle Stud, Auckland
$454,895

DEWAR AWARD WINNERS

Champion New Zealand-based sire by total progeny earnings within New Zealand & Australia

2015-16 SAVABEEL (AUS)
2014-15 O'REILLY (NZ)
2013-14 O'REILLY (NZ)
2012-13 O'REILLY (NZ)
2011-12 ZABEEL (NZ)
2010-11 HIGH CHAPARRAL (IRE)
2009-10 ZABEEL (NZ)
2008-09 ZABEEL (NZ)
2007-08 O'REILLY (NZ)
2006-07 ZABEEL (NZ)
2005-06 ZABEEL (NZ)
2004-05 ZABEEL (NZ)
2003-04 ZABEEL (NZ)
2002-03 ZABEEL (NZ)
2001-02 ZABEEL (NZ)
2000-01 ZABEEL (NZ)
1999-00 ZABEEL (NZ) $1,285,337
1998-99 ZABEEL (NZ) $667,630
1997-98 ZABEEL (NZ)
1996-97 ZABEEL (NZ)
1995-96
 
ZABEEL (NZ) (1986 Sir Tristram-Lady Giselle by Nureyev)
Royal Charger-Turn-to
Sir Patrick & Lady Hogan's Cambridge Stud, Cambridge
1994-95 DAHAR (USA)
1993-94 SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
1992-93 CENTAINE (AUS)
1991-92 NASSIPOUR (USA)
1990-91 STAR WAY (GB)
1989-90 SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
1988-89 SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
1987-88
 
ZAMAZAAN (FR) (1965 Exbury-Toyama II by Tulyar)
Blandford-Le Haar
Keith Burley's Carlyle Stud,Auckland
1986-87 SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
1985-86
 
SIR TRISTRAM (IRE) (1971 Sir Ivor-Isolt by Round Table)
Royal Charger-Turn to
Patrick & Justine Hogan's Cambridge Stud, Cambridge

CENTAINE AWARD WINNERS

Champion New Zealand-based sire by total progeny earnings worldwide
2015-16 SAVABEEL (AUS)
2014-15 O'REILLY
2013-14 O'REILLY
2012-13 O'REILLY
2011-12 PINS
2010-11 PINS
2009-10 ZABEEL
2008-09 O'REILLY

 
 

 

 
 

 
 

 

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2 hours ago, Shad said:

One called oldtimer train up that way by country dance, also one called country manners won a few round the smalls.

That brings back the memories. I can recall backing Country Manners when he ran second at Riccarton one day paying over $20 a place and contributing to a rather nice quinella.

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30 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

That brings back the memories. I can recall backing Country Manners when he ran second at Riccarton one day paying over $20 a place and contributing to a rather nice quinella.

The good old days, when people used to flock to the races, so many of the good old bread and butter horses of that era, remember watching a horse winning a maiden race on the coast, was  by light spirits i think, may have early 90s, modena was its name, turned to be a smart horse and may have ended up in aussie. You always remember the good ones, and the big divs  you collected from them.

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The 1937 English Derby winner Mid-Day Sun was the first winner of that race owned by a woman. Imported to New Zealand he proved very disappointing. He sired the brilliant sprinting mare Yahabeebe. His only other performer of note was the stayer Daysun who won a Gloaming Stakes at Trentham and a Waikato Gold Cup.

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4 hours ago, Shad said:

One called oldtimer train up that way by country dance, also one called country manners won a few round the smalls.

Yes Micky Blackadder trained Old Timer in Reefton. While a handy horse (as was Country Manners who Rod Collins trained out of Timaru) they were not of stakes class which is the theme of this thread.  Country Dance was a reasonable bread and butter type stallion in the south but I am sure Flying View would be his only stakes or G1 winner

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13 minutes ago, crustyngrizzly said:

Pretty sure that a son of LA MER and a son of JANDELL stood in NZ.

Magellan may have been one of their names.

 

Correct with Magellan. He was by Habitat out of La Mer.

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2 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

May well have been foaled overseas, as I think we had Helen Preston's Winter Cup winner Magellan racing in NZ at about the same time.

 

If you recall La Mer was purchased by Captain Tim Rogers for $300,000 and went to Arlie Stud in Ireland.

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On 5/9/2017 at 9:33 PM, gubellini said:

The 1937 English Derby winner Mid-Day Sun was the first winner of that race owned by a woman. Imported to New Zealand he proved very disappointing. He sired the brilliant sprinting mare Yahabeebe. His only other performer of note was the stayer Daysun who won a Gloaming Stakes at Trentham and a Waikato Gold Cup.

Is this the same one that turned into a pretty decent steeple chaser?

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1 minute ago, gubellini said:

boatey no Mid-Day Sun never raced in N.Z. as far as I know. You may be thinking of Meresun who won the 1958 Grand National Hurdles at Riccarton trained by Ray Cotter and ridden by Danny Keenan.

Sorry mate I meant Daysun

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On 5/9/2017 at 9:33 PM, gubellini said:

The 1937 English Derby winner Mid-Day Sun was the first winner of that race owned by a woman. Imported to New Zealand he proved very disappointing. He sired the brilliant sprinting mare Yahabeebe. His only other performer of note was the stayer Daysun who won a Gloaming Stakes at Trentham and a Waikato Gold Cup.

Funny thing Gubes, I don't think, overall, English Derby winners have been a raging success at stud though you can probably clarify that. I remember as a kid my Mum had a round cake tin with a picture of Never Say Die on the lid. Another English Derby winner I think he was a flop at stud. At one time there seemed a propensity for NZ to get sires by derby winners out of Oaks winners but was never a very successful recipe. 

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Blue true what you say. More recently with the advent of shuttling English Derby winners have been far more successful in New Zealand notably High Chaparral and to a lesser extent Generous and Sir Percy. Pour Moi is starting to leave some good ones as well.

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Pour Moi has been disappointing for me so far. Apart from Sacred Elixir little of note really. Maybe the Montjeu side of things means patience needs to be shown. He was a scintillating Derby winner but I guess you wouldn't be expecting many top two year olds from him.

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On 09/05/2017 at 7:53 PM, rdytdy said:

Whilst you are all thinking about some duds I thought I would put up a list of Champion Sires to jog some memories:

CHAMPION NZ SIRES

 

ALL TIME CHAMPION NEW ZEALAND SIRES (GROSVENOR AWARD)

Ranked by number domestic general sire premierships won

 

FOXBRIDGE (GB)
Trelawney Stud, Cambridge
Eleven titles, 1941-51
ST LEGER Eight titles, between 1893 & 1902
MARTIAN Seven titles, between 1914 & 1921
VOLKSRAAD (GB)
Windsor Park Stud, Cambridge
Eight titles, between 2001-10
SOULT Six titles, 1908-13
HUNTING SONG Six titles, 1933-38
ABSURD (GB)
Koatanui Stud, Wanganui
Five titles, between 1922 & 1927
COPENHAGEN II (GB)
Wynthorpe Stud, Waiatara
Four titles, between 1968 & 1976
Le FILOU (FR)
Pirongia Stud, Te Awamutu
Four titles, between 1962 & 1967
ZABEEL (NZ)
Cambridge Stud, Cambridge
Four titles, 1998-01
 
O'REILLY (NZ)
Waikato Stud, Matamata
Four titles, 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014

 

GROSVENOR AWARD WINNERS

Champion New Zealand-based sires by total progeny earnings within New Zealand

 

2015-16 SAVABEEL (AUS)
2014-15 SAVABEEL (AUS)
2013-14 O'REILLY (NZ)
2012-13 O'REILLY (NZ)
2011-12 O'REILLY (NZ)
2010-11 THORN PARK (AUS)
2009-10 VOLKSRAAD (GB)
2008-09 VOLKSRAAD (GB)
2007-08 O'REILLY (NZ)
2006-07 VOLKSRAAD (GB)
2005-06 VOLKSRAAD (GB) $1,530,867 - record earnings to date
2004-05 VOLKSRAAD (GB) $1,489,917 - record earnings to date
2003-04 VOLKSRAAD (GB) $1,443,096
2002-03 VOLKSRAAD (GB) $1,188,637
2001-02
 
VOLKSRAAD (GB) (Green Desert-Celtic Assembly by Secretariat)
Northern Dancer-Danzig sireline
Nelson Schick & Sue Schick's Windsor Park Stud, Cambridge
$924,405
2000-01 ZABEEL (NZ) $815,471
1999-00 ZABEEL (NZ) $1,285,337
1998-99 ZABEEL (NZ) $667,630
1997-98
 
ZABEEL (NZ) (1986 Sir Tristram-Lady Giselle by Nureyev)
Royal Charger-Turn-to sireline
Sir Patrick & Lady Hogan's Cambridge Stud, Cambridge
$1,097,425
1996-97 FAMOUS STAR (GB) $664,420
1995-96 KINGDOM BAY (NZ) $690,475
1994-95
 
FAMOUS STAR (GB) (1979 Sharpen Up-Hecla by Henry the Seventh)
Native Dancer-Atan sireline, Ra Ora Stud Auckland
$838,610
1993-94
 
KINGDOM BAY (NZ) (1981 Otehi Bay-Golden Praise by Golden Plume)
Star Kingdom-Biscay sireline
Jack & Kay O'Brien's Sovereign Lodge Stud, Ohau, Levin
$737,100
1992-93
 
NOBLE BIJOU (USA) (1971 Vaguely Noble-Priceless Gem by Hail to Reason)
Hyperion-Aureole sireline
Brian & Lorraine Anderton's White Robe Lodge, Mosgiel, Otago
$597,232
1991-92
 
STRAIGHT STRIKE (USA) (1977 Mr Prospector-Bend Not by Never Bend)
Native Dancer-Raise A Native sireline
Ra Ora Stud, Auckland
$645,080
1990-91
 
CRESTED WAVE (USA) (1976 Crozier-Fading Wave by Quibu)
Tourbillon-Djebel sireline
Ron & Carolyn Chitty's Haunui Farm, Auckland
$948,981
1989-90 THREE LEGS (GB) $1,168,350
1988-89
 
THREE LEGS (GB) (1972 Petingo-Teodara by Hard Sauce)
Fairway-Fair Trial sireline
Tom Lowry's Okawa Stud, Hawke's Bay
$1,120,405
1987-88
 
SOUND REASON (CAN) (1974 Bold Reason-New Tune byNew Providence)
Royal Charger-Turn-to sireline
Olly Goodwin's Riddlesworth Stud, Masterton
$1,125,870
1986-87
 
SIR TRISTRAM (IRE) (1971 Sir Ivor-Isolt by Round Table)
Royal Charger-Turn-to sireline
Patrick & Justine Hogan's Cambridge Stud, Cambridge
$857,585
1985-86
 
ZAMAZAAN (FR) (1965 Exbury-Toyama II by Tulyar)
Blandford-Le Haar sireline
Keith Burley's Carlyle Stud, Auckland
$454,895

 

DEWAR AWARD WINNERS

Champion New Zealand-based sire by total progeny earnings within New Zealand & Australia

 

2015-16 SAVABEEL (AUS)
2014-15 O'REILLY (NZ)
2013-14 O'REILLY (NZ)
2012-13 O'REILLY (NZ)
2011-12 ZABEEL (NZ)
2010-11 HIGH CHAPARRAL (IRE)
2009-10 ZABEEL (NZ)
2008-09 ZABEEL (NZ)
2007-08 O'REILLY (NZ)
2006-07 ZABEEL (NZ)
2005-06 ZABEEL (NZ)
2004-05 ZABEEL (NZ)
2003-04 ZABEEL (NZ)
2002-03 ZABEEL (NZ)
2001-02 ZABEEL (NZ)
2000-01 ZABEEL (NZ)
1999-00 ZABEEL (NZ) $1,285,337
1998-99 ZABEEL (NZ) $667,630
1997-98 ZABEEL (NZ)
1996-97 ZABEEL (NZ)
1995-96
 
ZABEEL (NZ) (1986 Sir Tristram-Lady Giselle by Nureyev)
Royal Charger-Turn-to
Sir Patrick & Lady Hogan's Cambridge Stud, Cambridge
1994-95 DAHAR (USA)
1993-94 SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
1992-93 CENTAINE (AUS)
1991-92 NASSIPOUR (USA)
1990-91 STAR WAY (GB)
1989-90 SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
1988-89 SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
1987-88
 
ZAMAZAAN (FR) (1965 Exbury-Toyama II by Tulyar)
Blandford-Le Haar
Keith Burley's Carlyle Stud,Auckland
1986-87 SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
1985-86
 
SIR TRISTRAM (IRE) (1971 Sir Ivor-Isolt by Round Table)
Royal Charger-Turn to
Patrick & Justine Hogan's Cambridge Stud, Cambridge

 

CENTAINE AWARD WINNERS

Champion New Zealand-based sire by total progeny earnings worldwide
2015-16 SAVABEEL (AUS)
2014-15 O'REILLY
2013-14 O'REILLY
2012-13 O'REILLY
2011-12 PINS
2010-11 PINS
2009-10 ZABEEL
2008-09 O'REILLY

 

 
 

 

 

 

 
 

 

 
 

 

A couple of interesting things from this.

I never realised quite how dominant Volksraad was in his prime.

Someone early in this thread had Three Legs labelled as a one hit wonder.

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