Black Kirrama 1,513 Report post Posted March 7, 2016 Is this Sir Dennis Ryan's Informants "Head line " this Friday ? Dennis I hope so.!! The Informants pricelss contribution to racing, hopefully will feature the disqualification of Sound Proposition and the other two Wexford Horses. WHY ? Natural justice says if the swab was positive, disqualify the place getter. No ifs/ No buts. If a motorist gets tested positive to drugs/ alcohol at a check point, the ramifications/ penalties are written and enforced. Car impounded: Licence revoked.Disqualified. If however, a smart lawyer proves the :Testing method or procedures were incorrect or prejudicial, then the appeal process commences. The driver can apply for a review etc. ( work Licence). So how can our pathetic Mike The ex Grocer , get away with this incompetent,procedure? Under our rules of racing the Cobalt maxis 200 . All the three horses were over ! Period. Disqualify Them . Then let the rules of natural justice and court cases apply. Under this scheme, no one is saying Wexford is Guilty of mal practice..But they ( Wexford ) have to prove, beyond reasonable doubt that their stable is innocent. Wexford, should have said, "we will fight this. We will pay the 4th,5th etc Derby place getters (2015)" and the other two horses who will be disqualified. Re create your Mana ,Lance. Because you have lost that Mana with me. Revel Somervell Los Lobos, mcmissile, GONSTA and 3 others 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canelo 459 Report post Posted March 7, 2016 Judging by his apologetics is this weeks edition of the Matamata paper I can't see Dennis writing anything vaguely negative concerning Matamata racing even if it was clear cut. elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Lobos 139 Report post Posted March 8, 2016 16 hours ago, Black Kirrama said: Is this Sir Dennis Ryan's Informants "Head line " this Friday ? Dennis I hope so.!! The Informants pricelss contribution to racing, hopefully will feature the disqualification of Sound Proposition and the other two Wexford Horses. WHY ? Natural justice says if the swab was positive, disqualify the place getter. No ifs/ No buts. If a motorist gets tested positive to drugs/ alcohol at a check point, the ramifications/ penalties are written and enforced. Car impounded: Licence revoked.Disqualified. If however, a smart lawyer proves the :Testing method or procedures were incorrect or prejudicial, then the appeal process commences. The driver can apply for a review etc. ( work Licence). So how can our pathetic Mike The ex Grocer , get away with this incompetent,procedure? Under our rules of racing the Cobalt maxis 200 . All the three horses were over ! Period. Disqualify Them . Then let the rules of natural justice and court cases apply. Under this scheme, no one is saying Wexford is Guilty of mal practice..But they ( Wexford ) have to prove, beyond reasonable doubt that their stable is innocent. Wexford, should have said, "we will fight this. We will pay the 4th,5th etc Derby place getters (2015)" and the other two horses who will be disqualified. Re create your Mana ,Lance. Because you have lost that Mana with me. Revel Somervell A case of making something easy become a major drama for everyone except the ones that either cheated or made a mistake (we all have our own take on this). Let them under investigation be the ones that are inconvenienced, not the ones doing everything by the book and racing within the guidelines, suffer for a year waiting to be paid. There is no way these horses can not be disqualified, so damn well do it, and let those guilty be the ones to wait to be cleared. Question: Has anyone seen Mr O'Sullivan around the racetracks as I'm told he has been nowhere to be seen, but they could be mistaken of course, and he and his partner finding plenty to celebrate. I'm with you there is no Mana left for me either. Grego, Huey, GONSTA and 4 others 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted March 8, 2016 and while they are at , start bringing about some reporting changes -like reporting the levels of cobalt in every horse tested. Why on earth can't this be done? Black Kirrama, Grego, Ashoka and 7 others 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Lobos 139 Report post Posted March 8, 2016 Tennis drug fail = Instant disqualification O'Sullivan drug fail = Business as usual Is there any wonder the racing industry have no faith in the process. GONSTA and Huey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted March 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Los Lobos said: Tennis drug fail = Instant disqualification O'Sullivan drug fail = Business as usual Is there any wonder the racing industry have no faith in the process. Wrong Los Lobos - Tennis drug fail = suspension pending hearing. She was disqualified from the Aussie Tennis Open however you are inferring that O'Sullivan should be disqualified - their horses perhaps but not the stable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Lobos 139 Report post Posted March 8, 2016 I am suggesting the horses be disqualified as soon as positives are found. As it stands in three races there are 5 (at least) horses that didn't receive their correct stake = 15 owners/trainers/jockeys or more etc. Also these horses are racing under possibly incorrect ratings = unfair for all the horses racing against them. And this has been the case for 12 months. How can anyone in their right mind not vote for a horses instant disqualification if found to have an unfair advantage. But lets not worry about all these others getting what is rightfully theirs, it might get in the way of protecting the ones that caused this situation in the first place. Black Kirrama, Huey and Ashoka 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted March 8, 2016 17 minutes ago, Los Lobos said: I am suggesting the horses be disqualified as soon as positives are found. As it stands in three races there are 5 (at least) horses that didn't receive their correct stake = 15 owners/trainers/jockeys or more etc. Also these horses are racing under possibly incorrect ratings = unfair for all the horses racing against them. And this has been the case for 12 months. How can anyone in their right mind not vote for a horses instant disqualification if found to have an unfair advantage. But lets not worry about all these others getting what is rightfully theirs, it might get in the way of protecting the ones that caused this situation in the first place. I don't disagree with what you are saying however earlier in the thread it was pointed out that the RIU have set a precedent where this doesn't happen. One issue that may arise though that justifies not immediately disqualifying the horses is if some procedural anomaly or technical error is found as has happened previously. However as soon as Wexford agreed that the test results were valid then the horses should be disqualified. Then the inquiry is only related to how they were over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Lobos 139 Report post Posted March 8, 2016 Exactly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted March 8, 2016 Wexford hearing set for March 16. Let the legal shenanigans begin. This marathon will make the Lisa Cropp drug case look like an 800m. Sprint. Los Lobos 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,824 Report post Posted March 9, 2016 Expect it to win on Saturday...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted March 9, 2016 Ohokaman Sound Proposition will be a poor proposition on Saturday. Lay of the day material as far as I am concerned. He should be carrying 54kg. instead of his carded weight because he is effectively a Ratings 67 horse not a Ratings 80 horse. GONSTA 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,824 Report post Posted March 9, 2016 There may be other reasons why I expect it to win Gub...... Why hasn't it been re-rated anyway......??? 68 before the Derby and 81 after. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted March 9, 2016 1 hour ago, gubellini said: Ohokaman Sound Proposition will be a poor proposition on Saturday. Lay of the day material as far as I am concerned. He should be carrying 54kg. instead of his carded weight because he is effectively a Ratings 67 horse not a Ratings 80 horse. But what if he has been sharing the Dairy Cows trough this week? Grego 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canelo 459 Report post Posted March 9, 2016 Do horses get swabbed for methamphetamine? I would imagine there would be a lot in Matamata and Cambridge exposed to second hand smoke and the everpresent plume of home laboratory smoke that resides over both towns. This could pose a risk to these horses in the vicinity no? Maybe an out if you could administer this substance to horses, unfortunately costs a lot more than cobalt and the cost of attaining enough meth to give to a horse is not economically viable when you balance it against present stakemoney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
