aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted April 4, 2016 On 31/03/2016 at 0:21 PM, Yankiwi said: Homebush Flame late scratched at kenneling from race #2 today. https://twitter.com/riuorgnz?ref_src=twsrc^tfw I hope it's nothing serious. Heart in the mouth stuff again today. The puppy Homebush Fitzroy race 1 Otago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted April 4, 2016 I don't see why you would say that ? Apart from just to stir the pot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted April 5, 2016 1 hour ago, I know said: I don't see why you would say that ? Apart from just to stir the pot I say that Johnathon because 14/15 mths to be racing a 33 kilo puppy is way to young, and the powers that be need to outlaw this from happening. Obviously you don't seem to get it. And yes i am stirring the pot. When something is clearly wrong, people need to speak up, the animals can't. I suppose because the dog won the non race, we can expect to see it racing every day possible, which is another thing that needs to be addressed. come on ref and ChasingMyTail 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted April 5, 2016 Unfortunately for you, You have the wrong person but nevertheless. I see a lot of trainers racing dogs at this age . Yes 34kg is a great weight but if the dog is foward and ready I see no problem. While this maybe wrong in your eyes everyone is different and this doesn't mean you are right or in fact correct. A couple of things you have no idea about other than who I am is #1 What preparation the said dog has had . #2 what are it's plains going forward . These must be taken into account before making statements such as yours . Each to there own everyone is different,in Australia I see greyhounds under 2 with only 2 or 3 starts being put over 600 m plus is this right or wrong. Who am I to judge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted April 5, 2016 10 hours ago, I know said: Unfortunately for you, You have the wrong person but nevertheless. I see a lot of trainers racing dogs at this age . Yes 34kg is a great weight but if the dog is foward and ready I see no problem. While this maybe wrong in your eyes everyone is different and this doesn't mean you are right or in fact correct. A couple of things you have no idea about other than who I am is #1 What preparation the said dog has had . #2 what are it's plains going forward . These must be taken into account before making statements such as yours . Each to there own everyone is different,in Australia I see greyhounds under 2 with only 2 or 3 starts being put over 600 m plus is this right or wrong. Who am I to judge. Fair enough I Know, thanks for the reply. I have said all that i'm going to say on this subject. We will have to agree to disagree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted April 14, 2016 It appears GRNZ is looking for peoples opinion on the minimum age matter. http://www.thedogs.co.nz/Home.aspx Web Poll What do you consider to be the appropriate age for a greyhound to start its racing career ◦14 months ◦16 months ◦18 months Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunyarra 185 Report post Posted April 14, 2016 There is one slight issue with this poll in that most bitches would start theire careers a little earlier than dogs. Personally I would say 16 months for bitches and 18 months for dogs. I think the minimum age rule in Australia is 16 months. gary1, Jabba2 and ChasingMyTail 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Symes 124 Report post Posted April 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Yankiwi said: It appears GRNZ is looking for peoples opinion on the minimum age matter. http://www.thedogs.co.nz/Home.aspx Web Poll What do you consider to be the appropriate age for a greyhound to start its racing career ◦14 months ◦16 months ◦18 months the problem with these polls on there site is I have just put 10 x votes on the same age. very easy to sway the look of the votes if that is what you want to do. gary1, come on ref, aquaman and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
come on ref 155 Report post Posted April 14, 2016 Oh is this the new way nzgra are going to change their rules a dodgy voting system. Excellent who thought of that gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted April 14, 2016 11 hours ago, Craig Symes said: the problem with these polls on there site is I have just put 10 x votes on the same age. very easy to sway the look of the votes if that is what you want to do. Are you sure about that Craig. I will ring the Ass to make sure. If you are right, its meaningless. I see a January whelp 2015 is lining up today, dog to make matters worse. Agree with Bunyarra, bitches can start earlier as a rule, so 16 mths for bitches, 18 mths for dogs. come on ref 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted April 14, 2016 Have just rung the Ass, and you are correct Craig. But they do have the software to be able to tell if multiple votes are coming from one source. come on ref 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 I note ray adcock started a greyhound today born November 2014 . Won its qualifying race on the 29th March. Went a get race today over 520m Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOM 1,017 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 20 minutes ago, I know said: I note ray adcock started a greyhound today born November 2014 . Won its qualifying race on the 29th March. Went a get race today over 520m I noticed it as well, what is the point you are making? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 That he is a very good trainer and a lot of people look up to him, ask advice etc . I think he knows what he's doing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sairy 37 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 So Mcinerney does this and everyone is against it but when Adcock does this, hes praised as a top trainer. Double standards aye? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 44 minutes ago, Sairy said: So Mcinerney does this and everyone is against it but when Adcock does this, hes praised as a top trainer. Double standards aye? I take it maths is not a strong suit for both I Know and Sairy, so just for the pair of you i will spell it out. Today a dog named Homebush Baily started its career at age 14 mths. It was whelped February 2015. The bitch which I know is referring to, and trained by Ray Adcock,and is named Hannah Rhiannon, was whelped Nov 2014 and is 17mths old. I think there is a substantial difference in age sex and weight. The dog weighs 29 kg's, the bitch weighs 23 kg's. No double standards here, just stupidity. gary1, iteruka and Eagle Eye 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 Gee whiz you all bite did I say an age ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Symes 124 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 Just a quick look at the difference . Adcock = bitch * 16 months 9 days McInerney = dog * 13 months 28 days HOMEBUSH BAILEY : HANNAH RHIANNON : dog , whelped 10/02/15 : bitch , whelped 20/12/14 qually : 13 months 28 days qually : 16 months 9 days first race : 14 months 5 days old first race : 16 months 25 days HOMEBUSH BAILEY (C0) TRAINER: J T MCINERNEY, DARFIELD WHELP 10TH FEB 2015 dog 15 APR ADD 4 OF 8 C0 295M 4 654 28.9KG 08 APR ADD 2 OF 7 TRIAL 295M HANNAH RHIANNON (C0) TRAINER: R H ADCOCK, DUNSANDEL 20TH WHELP NOV 14 bitch BKW B MAGIC SPRITE - SURF GIRL K P B SYNDICATE 15 APR ADD 2 OF 8 C0 520M 1 11122 23.1KG 29 MAR ADD 1 OF 5 TRIAL 295M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twirly berly 73 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 In regards to the poll. The greyhound protection league has followers voting to 18 months so the poll won't be much of a guide to the association even if they can track votes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Eye 231 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 14 hours ago, Craig Symes said: Just a quick look at the difference . Adcock = bitch * 16 months 9 days McInerney = dog * 13 months 28 days HOMEBUSH BAILEY : HANNAH RHIANNON : dog , whelped 10/02/15 : bitch , whelped 20/12/14 qually : 13 months 28 days qually : 16 months 9 days first race : 14 months 5 days old first race : 16 months 25 days HOMEBUSH BAILEY (C0) TRAINER: J T MCINERNEY, DARFIELD WHELP 10TH FEB 2015 dog 15 APR ADD 4 OF 8 C0 295M 4 654 28.9KG 08 APR ADD 2 OF 7 TRIAL 295M HANNAH RHIANNON (C0) TRAINER: R H ADCOCK, DUNSANDEL 20TH WHELP NOV 14 bitch BKW B MAGIC SPRITE - SURF GIRL K P B SYNDICATE 15 APR ADD 2 OF 8 C0 520M 1 11122 23.1KG 29 MAR ADD 1 OF 5 TRIAL 295M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Eye 231 Report post Posted April 15, 2016 14 hours ago, Craig Symes said: Just a quick look at the difference . Adcock = bitch * 16 months 9 days McInerney = dog * 13 months 28 days HOMEBUSH BAILEY : HANNAH RHIANNON : dog , whelped 10/02/15 : bitch , whelped 20/12/14 qually : 13 months 28 days qually : 16 months 9 days first race : 14 months 5 days old first race : 16 months 25 days HOMEBUSH BAILEY (C0) TRAINER: J T MCINERNEY, DARFIELD WHELP 10TH FEB 2015 dog 15 APR ADD 4 OF 8 C0 295M 4 654 28.9KG 08 APR ADD 2 OF 7 TRIAL 295M HANNAH RHIANNON (C0) TRAINER: R H ADCOCK, DUNSANDEL 20TH WHELP NOV 14 bitch BKW B MAGIC SPRITE - SURF GIRL K P B SYNDICATE 15 APR ADD 2 OF 8 C0 520M 1 11122 23.1KG 29 MAR ADD 1 OF 5 TRIAL 295M Let's be honest the said trainer is really a dog farmer and just races the dogs as much as they can without real strategies, just by looking at the racing records of the greyhounds I say this without prejudice as the record book certainly indicates this. But I'm not judging just what it seems. NZGRA needs to put rules in place that protect the industry as a whole. Saying that it will protect all, Dogs, Owners, staff, public and trainers in all aspects. Making sure minimum age to start racing, owners paid direct their share, like in NSW, not that I have a problem with my current trainers as I'm more than happy. Maximum amount of starts in 10 days, according to distance of races, this is just a few things needing addressing. Any thuggery at all by trainer or owner or staff public on any track immediate stand down or warned off or law notified if video proof shows this without doubt. It is so cheap to install which protects all parties from false or true altercations, not that I've had any. This is a fantastic sport, industry we all need to protect it, stop spending on products that are just rubbish, just a few thoughts. All the best cheers aquaman, Yankiwi and come on ref 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted April 16, 2016 Great post Eagle. You make good points. Eagle Eye 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twirly berly 73 Report post Posted April 16, 2016 whats worse? the trainer that farms pups and races them too young... or the trainer that farms (was it 500 a year??) pups and only races a few of them??? gary1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted April 16, 2016 wassa how many do you have to bred to be classed as a farmer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted April 16, 2016 What's worse this & who's a farmer doesn't really matter at this point. As I see it, what trainers/breeders are doing currently is within the rules. As I've mentioned previously, bickering back & forth between us isn't going to change a thing. The energy should be focused towards GRNZ to get the much needed change to the rule book. Once it's in there, sorted. With the web poll turning up on their homepage, it appears as though we already have their ear. gary1 and Eagle Eye 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...