Canelo 459 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 I am pretty sure there are no dairy cows at Wexford stables, maybe a few grazing cattle, it is surrounded by cropping land or were these horses boarding elsewhere? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 Any coincidence that Sound Proposition / Quintastics ran career peak performances, similar to the majority of the Aus cases? Somehow i don't think so. chevy86 and Los Lobos 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 At most these horses would have only been in their paddock a couple of hours per day. Some horses are very finicky about their water and will refuse to drink it at times. I suggest that most of their water intake would have been in their boxes. napier and chevy86 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoKnows 791 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 Oh well, at least any greyhound trainers testing positive for cobalt now can just claim they may have ingested some of the Wexford beasts........ Racing84 and Shad 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, gubellini said: At most these horses would have only been in their paddock a couple of hours per day. Some horses are very finicky about their water and will refuse to drink it at times. I suggest that most of their water intake would have been in their boxes. You would suggest a professional horse trainer that charges a lot of $ per month for training fees would be 100% sure the water their horses have access to would be clean and tested. It's amateur hour at its finest if you actually believe their 'story'. Personally I think you would have to be rather naive to think this is the actual reason. Can't wait to learn more from the RIU! gubellini, Huey, napier and 6 others 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 416 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 well done team wexford Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 Ditto Craig Grylls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 416 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 3 hours ago, gubellini said: mr- gee thank you for your reply. This issue should have been resolved six months ago. This would have saved Lance and Andrew and their families a lot of anguish. Best wishes with your horses. yes but hardly suprising it has taken the time re all the info they have to collect people they have contact and interview , i don't think it could been any faster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 14 hours ago, mr_gee said: yes but hardly suprising it has taken the time re all the info they have to collect people they have contact and interview , i don't think it could been any faster 14 hours ago, mr_gee said: yes but hardly suprising it has taken the time re all the info they have to collect people they have contact and interview , i don't think it could been any faster You have not been testing the water troughs Mr Gee ? Huey 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoopa 281 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 18 hours ago, ivanthegreat said: No , this is a very, very plausible submission that has avoided the heavy handed highbrow approach........ that you would expect from such a well armed and well connected defence team. The dumbing down ploy brings it closer to its being possible through its simplicity. So the defendants now should be made to prove that these results could have been generated by such means. Ivan, I think you will find that it is the prosecution that has to prove the results could have been generated by such means.The defence know this,which gives them time and leverage.Beyond resonable doub't springs to mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen 3,226 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 elbow, kilcoyne, Chestnut and 1 other 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 19 hours ago, biff said: Oh, and when and if did anyone at RIU learn that the cattle in the food chain [Milk] were full of cobalt? Did they then advise the authorities? If not, and those cows produced milk within a commercial diary someone at RIU could face very serious charges. Fonterra will be watching wont they? A scandal waiting to hit the news, China, repercussions, where's Nathan Guy? he'll need to make a statement, cmon Nathan, happy face mate. Biff you are talking absolute irrational crap. Where was it said the cattle were dairy cows? In any event if a cow and a horse drank the same volume of water from the same cobalt dosed tank they would return completely different test results. The cow as a ruminant would convert the cobalt it needed to B12 much more efficiently than the horse. What it didn't need it would have pissed or shat away. The horse as a monogastric animal is much less efficient at cobalt conversion to B12. It is very conceivable that the horse would test much higher than the cow. Also there are many approved feed supplements and water treatments that contain comparatively high levels of cobalt that are used in the human food chain. Do some research first before joining the hysteria driven ignorant group of screaming banshees looking for blood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 18 hours ago, GONSTA said: You would suggest a professional horse trainer that charges a lot of $ per month for training fees would be 100% sure the water their horses have access to would be clean and tested. It's amateur hour at its finest if you actually believe their 'story'. Personally I think you would have to be rather naive to think this is the actual reason. Can't wait to learn more from the RIU! Are you serious? Why infer a distinction between a professional trainer and an amateur? The implication being they should all be testing their water on a regular basis? Also note the water was clean from bacteria and algae due to the treatment. A constant battle I might add for anyone looking after livestock in the summer months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biff 2,158 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 NZ Racing reminds me of every episode of Yes Minister, however, one was funny, one isn't........it also reminds me of the late, not so great Victoria Racing Club and it's old boys mantra. NZ's reputation on the global stage is not good, racing wise that is, the racing minister helps with that perception, Mr John Allen, AKA The Invisible Man, our esteemed CEO, blame shifting on Peter's radio show, ''Not us, it's the RIU''........ the lifeless, impotent NZTA, The self interest groups, the ineffectual owners assoc and finally, but not least, the useless lame duck racing writers [I loathe to call them journalists as they are not] are all passengers on the Titanic AKA NZ Racing. Peter Earley to his credit, at least challenges the issues, however, the stable involved here, in the current cobalt controversy is, until found guilty of something more sinister, guilty of supreme stupidity and negligence, it will be the RIU who will have a case to answer should this diary herd have provided milk or by products with excessive cobalt within to or for public consumption. If they knowingly withheld such info that was provided to them by the stable, then all hell should break loose, China will have Fonterra's guts for garters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biff 2,158 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 13 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: Biff you are talking absolute irrational crap. Where was it said the cattle were dairy cows? In any event if a cow and a horse drank the same volume of water from the same cobalt dosed tank they would return completely different test results. The cow as a ruminant would convert the cobalt it needed to B12 much more efficiently than the horse. What it didn't need it would have pissed or shat away. The horse as a monogastric animal is much less efficient at cobalt conversion to B12. It is very conceivable that the horse would test much higher than the cow. Also there are many approved feed supplements and water treatments that contain comparatively high levels of cobalt that are used in the human food chain. Do some research first before joining the hysteria driven ignorant group of screaming banshees looking for blood. Read it again....it says quite clearly ''DIARY HERD' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biff 2,158 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 Sorry DAIRY HERD....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biff 2,158 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 How long were the cattle sharing the trough?......I bet these cattle are now knackered, you lot show your small town mentality and old boys club....get a life, in fact get out and get a few GONSTA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 19 hours ago, WhoKnows said: Oh well, at least any greyhound trainers testing positive for cobalt now can just claim they may have ingested some of the Wexford beasts........ They wouldn't be able to catch them Leggy and elbow 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 I heard a couple of them haven't been milked since. Evidently can outrun the cattle dog. While not as precise as I'd like, it's certainly a clever and effective administration method, especially if you can then convince the RIU that it's not an administration method and it was all an unfortunate accident. I somehow doubt the Oz stewards would be quite so easily convinced. GONSTA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 21 hours ago, Canelo said: I am pretty sure there are no dairy cows at Wexford stables, maybe a few grazing cattle, it is surrounded by cropping land or were these horses boarding elsewhere? Boarding elsewhere or being paddock-trained the day before the Derby? .This scenario proffered and supposedly accepted by Grierson testing is the ultimate insult to intelligent racing folk. aquaman, Leggy, biff and 8 others 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 15 minutes ago, chevy86 said: Boarding elsewhere or being paddock-trained the day before the Derby? .This scenario proffered and supposedly accepted by Grierson testing is the ultimate insult to intelligent racing folk. I doubt Grierson accepted the scenario or not. That was for the RIU to establish. Grierson, as I understand it, simply showed that horses drinking water with high doses of added cobalt could exceed the threshold. The incredible thing is that testing should have taken weeks, maybe a month or two to complete. Why has it taken a year for any charges to be brought or the application made to relegate the horses? GONSTA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biff 2,158 Report post Posted February 27, 2016 36 minutes ago, Leggy said: I doubt Grierson accepted the scenario or not. That was for the RIU to establish. Grierson, as I understand it, simply showed that horses drinking water with high doses of added cobalt could exceed the threshold. The incredible thing is that testing should have taken weeks, maybe a month or two to complete. Why has it taken a year for any charges to be brought or the application made to relegate the horses? It took so long Leggy as they had to dig up Hans Christian Anderson and then translate from Danish.......Jacques Tati couldn't have devised this........it has to be a fairy tale not a comedy. Ashoka and ivanthegreat 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2Admin2 Report post Posted February 28, 2016 3 hours ago, biff said: How long were the cattle sharing the trough?......I bet these cattle are now knackered, you lot show your small town mentality and old boys club....get a life, in fact get out and get a few Really Biff? Didn't you get out of the "big town" but you bought an attitude with it. You are spouting unsubstantiated clap trap without any understanding of the science. Suggest you do some reading regarding cows and cobalt levels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen 3,226 Report post Posted February 28, 2016 Waikato watermelon WhoKnows, Hall, GONSTA and 2 others 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,700 Report post Posted February 28, 2016 I have not seen or heard anything or in fact know anything to suggest that their defence would not be plausible in a court of law, but then i'm not an expert and certainly won't be called upon by any side as a witness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...