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[Uriah Heap 481]

I'm gutted about this result.

As a long time Labour voter, I was willing to overlook the Key and cost elements, both of which did not sit well with me. I just wanted a change. One which would remove the Union Jack and not have our flag mistaken for any other when it flew at world events. I wanted a true Kiwi flag.

When the NZ team walk into the arena a Rio with that old fashioned, colonial, relic of the British Empire, Australian lookalike, monstrosity leading the way, I shall have to leave the room.

I don't think there will be another shot at this. The risks are not worth it for whichever politician promotes the change.

[Ohokaman 5,825]

On 25 March 2016 at 10:41 AM, crustyngrizzly said:

Simple fact,,,Over 3million registered voters in NZ.

Of them less than 30% voted for change.

What...???!!

Over 2.1million votes with just under a million wanting a change......

[tonkatime 323]

On ‎25‎/‎03‎/‎2016 at 10:41 AM, crustyngrizzly said:

Simple fact,,,Over 3million registered voters in NZ.

Of them less than 30% voted for change.

You can't count those that chose not to vote as being opposed to changing the flag. 

[rdytdy 5,341]

1 hour ago, tonkatime said:

You can't count those that chose not to vote as being opposed to changing the flag. 

He didn't. He stated that only 30% of those eligible actually voted for change. 

[tonkatime 323]

1 hour ago, rdytdy said:

He didn't. He stated that only 30% of those eligible actually voted for change. 

 In my opinion the statement is implying that those that didn't vote were opposed to change, you may well draw a different conclusion to the one I have and you are entitled to do so. It's irrelevant how many eligible voters there are the only thing that matters to a result is those that actually vote.    

Thanks for your response.

 

[jack 429]

F.Y.I.  ... http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/2016_flag_referendum2/result-by-electorate.html

 

Preliminary Result by Electorate for the Second Referendum on the New Zealand Flag, on the question  "What is your choice for the New Zealand Flag"

24 March 2016

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Electorate	No. Of Electors on the Roll	Total Votes Received	% Turnout	Valid Votes							Invalid Votes
				Total Valid Votes Received	For Option A: Silver Fern Flag		For Option B: Current New Zealand Flag		Informal Votes
1 - Auckland Central	36,083	21,748	60.3%	21,659	9,358	43.2%	12,226	56.5%	75	0.4%	89
2 - Bay of Plenty	47,531	35,446	74.6%	35,378	18,197	51.4%	17,118	48.4%	63	0.2%	68
3 - Botany	47,802	28,712	60.1%	28,675	13,858	48.3%	14,756	51.5%	61	0.2%	37
4 - Christchurch Central	42,918	28,861	67.3%	28,796	12,489	43.4%	16,241	56.4%	66	0.2%	65
5 - Christchurch East	42,173	29,163	69.2%	29,113	12,148	41.7%	16,919	58.1%	46	0.2%	50
6 - Clutha-Southland	44,410	32,639	73.5%	32,587	16,438	50.4%	16,112	49.4%	37	0.1%	52
7 - Coromandel	49,181	37,662	76.6%	37,592	17,026	45.3%	20,496	54.5%	70	0.2%	70
8 - Dunedin North	43,014	27,843	64.7%	27,785	9,888	35.6%	17,803	64.1%	94	0.3%	58
9 - Dunedin South	46,470	34,741	74.8%	34,689	13,310	38.4%	21,308	61.4%	71	0.2%	52
10 - East Coast	47,117	33,263	70.6%	33,201	14,053	42.3%	19,085	57.5%	63	0.2%	62
11 - East Coast Bays	44,207	30,065	68.0%	30,004	15,325	51.1%	14,623	48.7%	56	0.2%	61
12 - Epsom	48,272	32,011	66.3%	31,914	15,876	49.8%	15,971	50.0%	67	0.2%	97
13 - Hamilton East	45,427	29,182	64.2%	29,134	13,952	47.9%	15,107	51.9%	75	0.3%	48
14 - Hamilton West	45,657	29,453	64.5%	29,396	13,108	44.6%	16,237	55.2%	51	0.2%	57
15 - Helensville	43,887	31,880	72.6%	31,818	13,763	43.3%	17,992	56.6%	63	0.2%	62
16 - Hunua	46,438	33,345	71.8%	33,292	15,465	46.5%	17,782	53.4%	45	0.1%	53
17 - Hutt South	48,384	33,991	70.3%	33,816	14,448	42.7%	19,287	57.0%	81	0.2%	175
18 - Ilam	44,203	31,715	71.8%	31,641	16,067	50.8%	15,516	49.0%	58	0.2%	74
19 - Invercargill	45,028	32,310	71.8%	32,266	12,858	39.9%	19,361	60.0%	47	0.2%	44
20 - Kaikōura	46,880	35,985	76.8%	35,938	16,816	46.8%	19,041	53.0%	81	0.2%	47
21 - Kelston	41,890	24,065	57.5%	24,001	8,389	35.0%	15,552	64.8%	60	0.3%	64
22 - Mana	45,872	30,477	66.4%	30,427	13,116	43.1%	17,227	56.6%	84	0.3%	50
23 - Māngere	41,376	17,378	42.0%	17,324	5,006	28.9%	12,261	70.8%	57	0.3%	54
24 - Manukau East	40,111	16,471	41.1%	16,440	5,301	32.2%	11,081	67.4%	58	0.4%	31
25 - Manurewa	40,826	18,343	44.9%	18,298	6,257	34.2%	11,975	65.4%	66	0.4%	45
26 - Maungakiekie	45,757	26,747	58.5%	26,674	10,876	40.8%	15,734	59.0%	64	0.2%	73
27 - Mt Albert	46,125	28,832	62.5%	28,762	11,026	38.3%	17,648	61.4%	88	0.3%	70
28 - Mt Roskill	45,981	26,929	58.6%	26,865	11,147	41.5%	15,649	58.3%	69	0.3%	64
29 - Napier	46,031	34,641	75.3%	34,571	14,394	41.6%	20,092	58.1%	85	0.3%	70
30 - Nelson	48,620	35,647	73.3%	35,569	17,009	47.8%	18,455	51.9%	105	0.3%	78
31 - New Lynn	44,860	26,931	60.0%	26,869	10,591	39.4%	16,217	60.4%	61	0.2%	62
32 - New Plymouth	48,867	35,240	72.1%	35,196	17,278	49.1%	17,844	50.7%	74	0.2%	44
33 - North Shore	49,339	34,934	70.8%	34,847	17,215	49.4%	17,560	50.4%	72	0.2%	87
34 - Northcote	46,519	30,452	65.5%	30,404	13,253	43.6%	17,070	56.1%	81	0.3%	48
35 - Northland	46,503	34,325	73.8%	34,232	13,383	39.1%	20,760	60.7%	89	0.3%	93
36 - Ōhāriu	45,205	32,643	72.2%	32,577	14,941	45.9%	17,557	53.9%	79	0.2%	66
37 - Ōtaki	47,062	36,077	76.7%	36,028	15,270	42.4%	20,679	57.4%	79	0.2%	49
38 - Pakuranga	46,310	30,691	66.3%	30,633	14,294	46.7%	16,283	53.2%	56	0.2%	58
39 - Palmerston North	43,100	29,771	69.1%	29,716	12,447	41.9%	17,203	57.9%	66	0.2%	55
40 - Papakura	46,911	29,706	63.3%	29,640	12,114	40.9%	17,485	59.0%	41	0.1%	66
41 - Port Hills	48,846	36,123	74.0%	36,065	16,493	45.7%	19,477	54.0%	95	0.3%	58
42 - Rangitata	46,886	35,279	75.2%	35,242	16,986	48.2%	18,199	51.6%	57	0.2%	37
43 - Rangitῑkei	43,531	33,331	76.6%	33,270	14,603	43.9%	18,625	56.0%	42	0.1%	61
44 - Rimutaka	46,712	32,406	69.4%	32,359	12,941	40.0%	19,344	59.8%	74	0.2%	47
45 - Rodney	49,983	38,033	76.1%	37,977	17,977	47.3%	19,917	52.4%	83	0.2%	56
46 - Rongotai	46,365	30,509	65.8%	30,426	11,274	37.1%	19,031	62.6%	121	0.4%	83
47 - Rotorua	43,603	30,761	70.6%	30,705	13,373	43.6%	17,267	56.2%	65	0.2%	56
48 - Selwyn	45,410	35,724	78.7%	35,680	18,433	51.7%	17,189	48.2%	58	0.2%	44
49 - Tāmaki	46,006	32,622	70.9%	32,543	16,874	51.9%	15,595	47.9%	74	0.2%	79
50 - Taranaki-King Country	42,975	32,134	74.8%	32,092	15,416	48.0%	16,617	51.8%	59	0.2%	42
51 - Taupō	47,240	34,735	73.5%	34,688	16,243	46.8%	18,373	53.0%	72	0.2%	47
52 - Tauranga	47,941	35,232	73.5%	35,168	17,489	49.7%	17,604	50.1%	75	0.2%	64
53 - Te Atatū	44,519	27,012	60.7%	26,966	10,213	37.9%	16,683	61.9%	70	0.3%	46
54 - Tukituki	46,017	33,408	72.6%	33,361	14,436	43.3%	18,863	56.5%	62	0.2%	47
55 - Upper Harbour	45,688	28,531	62.5%	28,475	12,535	44.0%	15,885	55.8%	55	0.2%	56
56 - Waikato	46,573	34,690	74.5%	34,632	16,495	47.6%	18,079	52.2%	58	0.2%	58
57 - Waimakariri	45,458	35,196	77.4%	35,156	17,173	48.9%	17,926	51.0%	57	0.2%	40
58 - Wairarapa	47,179	35,457	75.2%	35,407	15,223	43.0%	20,097	56.8%	87	0.3%	50
59 - Waitaki	49,617	38,094	76.8%	38,060	18,801	49.4%	19,180	50.4%	79	0.2%	34
60 - Wellington Central	45,677	29,419	64.4%	29,303	11,974	40.9%	17,189	58.7%	140	0.5%	116
61 - West Coast-Tasman	45,091	33,559	74.4%	33,509	14,030	41.9%	19,382	57.8%	97	0.3%	50
62 - Whanganui	46,271	33,539	72.5%	33,507	13,678	40.8%	19,769	59.0%	60	0.2%	32
63 - Whangarei	48,199	35,406	73.5%	35,351	14,596	41.3%	20,689	58.5%	66	0.2%	55
64 - Wigram	40,167	26,983	67.2%	26,921	11,544	42.9%	15,323	56.9%	54	0.2%	62
65 - Hauraki-Waikato	34,562	15,683	45.4%	15,613	3,972	25.4%	11,587	74.2%	54	0.4%	70
66 - Ikaroa-Rāwhiti	34,691	16,865	48.6%	16,769	3,797	22.6%	12,897	76.9%	75	0.5%	96
67 - Tāmaki Makaurau	34,669	15,404	44.4%	15,308	3,375	22.1%	11,865	77.5%	68	0.4%	96
68 - Te Tai Hauāuru	32,500	16,142	49.7%	16,076	4,157	25.9%	11,838	73.6%	81	0.5%	66
69 - Te Tai Tokerau	34,943	17,789	50.9%	17,691	3,728	21.1%	13,879	78.5%	84	0.5%	98
70 - Te Tai Tonga	33,773	16,983	50.3%	16,919	5,394	31.9%	11,473	67.8%	52	0.3%	64
71 - Waiariki	35,137	17,011	48.4%	16,947	4,035	23.8%	12,848	75.8%	64	0.4%	64
Elector not identifiable	-	132	-	-	0	-	0	-	0	-	132
TOTAL	3,158,576	2,124,507	67.3%	2,119,953	915,008	43.2%	1,200,003	56.6%	4,942	0.2%	4,554

Informal votes are those where the voter has not clearly indicated the option they wish to vote for.  This can be because the voter leaves the paper blank, the voter takes deliberate action to spoil the paper, or an error by the voter means that their intention is not clear.

Invalid votes are excluded from the count and include, for example, voting papers that cannot be processed because the voter has made the QR code unreadable or voting papers that have been cancelled as a result of replacement voting papers being issued.

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[Uriah Heap 481]

The breakdown by electorates depresses me even further. It's all very frustrating to see how politics hi-jacked the whole thing. This referendum ended up nothing to do with the flag. They may as well have asked -

Option A - Do you think John Key is a good bloke?

Option B - Do you think John Key is a tosser?

 

[Ashoka 1,179]

Uriah Heap...

I think that you have missed a salient point.

The answers to your questions produced by the result of this "Flag" vote are manifestly different to the content of messages fed to us by our "mainstream media" in regard to Mr Key's popularity.

All the best.

Ashoka

[Alphonse-Gabriel 101]

2 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

The breakdown by electorates depresses me even further. It's all very frustrating to see how politics hi-jacked the whole thing. This referendum ended up nothing to do with the flag. They may as well have asked -

Option A - Do you think John Key is a good bloke?

Option B - Do you think John Key is a tosser?

 

B

[Alphonse-Gabriel 101]

6 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

I'm gutted about this result.

 I wanted a true Kiwi flag.

 

I wanted to win every bet I took at the TAB this year.

[bloke 1,232]

18 hours ago, Uriah Heap said:

The breakdown by electorates depresses me even further. It's all very frustrating to see how politics hi-jacked the whole thing. This referendum ended up nothing to do with the flag. They may as well have asked -

Option A - Do you think John Key is a good bloke?

Option B - Do you think John Key is a tosser?

 

John Key is not a tosser, he is a puller

[Uriah Heap 481]

16 hours ago, Alphonse-Gabriel said:

I wanted to win every bet I took at the TAB this year.

The US Taxman nailed Alphonse-Gabrriel Capone on tax evasion. Al never saw it coming. He couldn't see outside of his narrow world. Mired in the past, lacking vision, Al went to Alcatraz. When released he realised he was yesterday's man and died a sad old bastard.

[Alphonse-Gabriel 101]

52 minutes ago, Uriah Heap said:

The US Taxman nailed Alphonse-Gabrriel Capone on tax evasion. Al never saw it coming. He couldn't see outside of his narrow world. Mired in the past, lacking vision, Al went to Alcatraz. When released he realised he was yesterday's man and died a sad old bastard.

Thank you for the history lesson Uriah Heap.

I am like any other man. All I do is supply a demand.

Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class.

You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.
 

and of course the very topical :  Vote early and vote often.

 

Alcatraz was a hellhole of a place and took a heavy toll on many men. Interesting that you describe Alphonse as yesterday's man who lacked vision. Forgive me for saying this but any man who died in 1947 is going to be yesterdays man. Ironically Blind Willie Johnson also died around the same time. He was also yesterday's man and being blind he lacked vision but man could he sing the blues and play a mean guitar. Yes Alphonse lacked vision at the end but prior to that he had vision to spare.

Inventors and entrepreneurs are visionaries by their very definition. Alphonse was brutal but he was also a visionary entrepreneur that took advantage of a need and a law destined to fail.

John Key arrogantly attempted to take advantage of his own perceived popularity with his flag hobby. He learned it's one thing to be more popular than Phil Goff,David Cunlife and Andrew Little but it's another altogether to have his desires outweigh that of all New Zealanders. He lacked vision and loudly signaled being yesterday's man. If we had a decent opposition with a decent leader he'd be gone faster than a speeding bullet from a Thompson sub machine gun.  

Clearly the majority of Kiwi's felt our flag is the true Kiwi flag so gave it the thumbs up. 

I appreciate you backed a loser Uriah and are hurting. Time heals most wounds so hang in there. 

[eljay 1,719]

Watch it guys - here comes Hone Heke!!

[meomy 971]

 

John Key Verified account ‏@johnkeypm

New Zealand has voted to retain our current flag. I encourage all NZers to use it, embrace it and, more importantly, be proud of it.

 

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Does anyone know if John Key has followed up on his own words and raised the voted in  New Zealand Flag on a flagpole or attached one on his gate (like he did with his chosen alternative one) of his St Stephens Avenue address yet?

 

Leaders need to lead by example, don't they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[meomy 971]

In regards to the kerfuffle of the Chinese wanting the NZ flag changed, how about the Chinese change there own and put a Silver Fern or Kiwi on it?

[Uriah Heap 481]

Hey Meomy

Maybe John Key should just put the Union Jack on his letterbox. Then he can initiate a referendum to bring back "God Save the Queen". That would reaffirm our place as the last little piece of the British Empire. Good old New Zealand, more English than the English.

Come on Meomy get out that Union Jack and your mug with Lady Di on it and sing with me "Swing Low Sweet Chariot, coming for to carry me hooooome, Swing low............."

[Uriah Heap 481]

Here we go. Now we've won a silver medal at the Olympics and they've run the Australian flag up our flagpole. Honestly, if we have to have that colonial relic of a flag why don't we just unite with Australia. Other countries already think we are one and the same.

[eljay 1,719]

Why don't the Aussies change then Heapy?     Or is it a plan for them to claim another Kiwi icon?

 

 

[Uriah Heap 481]

Those Aussies will never change anything. They're regressive morons. We are the "Little Brother" and it's up to show the way in cutting the umbilacle cord from Mother England.

I watched out boy win bronze in the sailing this morning. Aus won gold and I then had to watch (what looked to all the world except us) two Aussie flags go up the poles.

Look at that Kenyan flag with the shield and two sprears. It looks great. What about something like that for NZ. Lets think out of the square. A blue (the sea)  and green (the bush/hills) coloured flag, with a Mighty Kauri tree in the middle. What about that?

[globederby12 1,495]

Correct me if I am wrong ,but NZ had their flag as it stands, before Australia had theirs, First in best dressed. Those 'regressive morons" should change theirs to clarify any confusion we may see ,

[meomy 971]

The best flag won on the day, cheers to the little flag outside PM John Key's residence.

Oh John if you are reading this we recall you said whichever flag was chosen to all embrace it, have you got that flagpole with the NZ flag attached outside your home yet???

We look forward to seeing it with anticipation as we know to quote your own words "I quite like the Royals"...and...well the rest of that conversation shall remain private.

 

[Uriah Heap 481]

15 hours ago, meomy said:

The best flag won on the day, cheers to the little flag outside PM John Key's residence.

Oh John if you are reading this we recall you said whichever flag was chosen to all embrace it, have you got that flagpole with the NZ flag attached outside your home yet???

We look forward to seeing it with anticipation as we know to quote your own words "I quite like the Royals"...and...well the rest of that conversation shall remain private.

 

This post would be better suited under a new "I Don't Like John Key" thread.

[meomy 971]

Why?