classic one 12 Report post Posted July 13, 2015 Just looking to ask the mare owners who have been breeding for many years if they think the stallions from 30 to 40 years ago were more sounder and tougher than we have today? Did the stallion who stood at stud 30 to 40 years ago have more race day starts than the stallions at stud today? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted July 13, 2015 In reality probably not. Most stallions were well bred but relatively average race track performers. Think Sovereign Edition and ever Sir T and Star Way. Well performed colonials were shunned until Balmerino and Vice Regal. Faux Tirage was maybe the best race performed stallion to have stood here though Alcimedes and Oncidium were fairly useful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,945 Report post Posted July 13, 2015 Overall I believe that the breed was tougher back then, at least that's what a multiple Group One trainer who retired recently told me. He's in his seventies now so trained throughout that period, right up until two years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted July 13, 2015 good thread,So which stallions operating at the moment breed soundness and toughness into their progeny? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADM 225 Report post Posted July 13, 2015 White robe tend to have the tough stallions and it would appear the Gallant Guru's fall into this catagory Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted July 13, 2015 I think you might need to refine what attributes you want in a horse. Toughness might best be exemplified by steeplechasers and such but breeding this type of horse will surely send you broke. However I think Soundness is a different proposition. A sound horse is one which will maybe race on from 2 or 3 YO days to perhaps 7 or 8. You also want them to be genuine (i.e. triers) so they need a good mental attitude. Obviously Sir T was incomperable in that he sired Golden Slipper Winners and GN Steeples winners. Current active sires like Savabeel and Pins could be good examples. At he more economic end Zed could be an example also. No doubt there are others. Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeder 608 Report post Posted July 13, 2015 I think fitzy's first comment is right , but also I think the training in those days was different , maybe harder. They certainly raced longer. These days it seems as soon as the Grp 1 win comes along, the talk of going to stud starts. I have just looked at an older Stallion Register (1982) for some examples : Balmerino 46 races 22wins 13 pl Cherradi ( Taipan) 73 r 8.5w 17p Chinkara ( Reindeer ) 104 r 13 w 13 pl Codeene ( Copenhagen II) 70 r 14 w 16 p Crossman ( Tipperary Star) 56 r 21w 6p Little Brown Jug ( Godovari) 36 p 16 w 12 p Tono Bungay ( Wandering Eyes) 121 r 17 w 22p One Pound Sterling ( Sovereign Path) 72 r 21 w 26 p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
