gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted May 2, 2015 American Pharoah won the 141st renewal of the Kentucky Derby this morning.Fourth Derby for trainer Bob Baffert and back to back Derbies for jockey Victor Espinoza following Californian Chrome last year.I think American Pharoah can win the Preakness in a fortnight but doubt whether he will get the 2400m trip of the Belmont.Unbridled and Storm Cat in his third line may limit his stamina. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpole 483 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 American Pharoah won the 141st renewal of the Kentucky Derby this morning.Fourth Derby for trainer Bob Baffert and back to back Derbies for jockey Victor Espinoza following Californian Chrome last year.I think American Pharoah can win the Preakness in a fortnight but doubt whether he will get the 2400m trip of the Belmont.Unbridled and Storm Cat in his third line may limit his stamina. Today was about the worst ever coverage we have had of the Derby. The commentator was pathetic..what happened to Trevor Denman? Dean Lester waqs shocking!! why could we not get some pre race talks??the build up used to be great especially when the race was on ESPN We did not even get the song "our old Kentucky Home" poor show trackside Michael Dore i will be chasing you tomorrow It is not bloody good enough Pegs Pride, mckenzie and beerwithduncan 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,993 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Totally agree rumpole.This race is one of the most important in the world and can have a huge influence on breeding in the future.Deserved far better coverage.Nothing at all on Trackside Radio! Pegs Pride 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 fellas it was on ESPN, Coverage was in depth - not all to my liking but clearly was better than Trackside Irishbay, Pegs Pride, N1MUE and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,409 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 I think American Pharaoh's win was terrific. See if you can catch a replay of the race. See how much extra ground that horse covered. He was taken 6 wide into the stretch (home straight) when there were only 2 horses inside him. He was also wide on the first turn, but that can't be blamed on the jockey, who did well from such a wide barrier in the first 400 metres. Dortmund disappointed. He was given the run of the race, and was lucky to hold 3rd. If his Belmont Stakes odds are less than 100/1 the bookie is a burglar. Pegs Pride, Ashoka, Steve Paul and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut 3,151 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Liked the run of the Tapit colt, Frosted. He came home well and showed a nice turn of speed over the last furlong. I really like Tapit's sire line - nice mix of speed and staying blood on the dirt. Pegs Pride and Tauhei Notts 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerwithduncan 724 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Today was about the worst ever coverage we have had of the Derby. The commentator was pathetic..what happened to Trevor Denman? Dean Lester waqs shocking!! why could we not get some pre race talks??the build up used to be great especially when the race was on ESPN We did not even get the song "our old Kentucky Home" poor show trackside Michael Dore i will be chasing you tomorrow It is not bloody good enough Dean Lester really does have a face for radio. I stopped betting on the United States races covered by Trackside because I found Lester intolerable. He offers absolutely nothing to viewers. His unquestionable goal is to secure his own employment so he does everything he can to praise his colleagues in the background who are simply magnificent and to suck up to Trackside bosses to the point of being obsequious. Lester clearly believes punters should not do their own homework on horse racing. They should just put their money on what the tipster picks. As soon as they cross the line he is all over the tipster who managed to tip the winner in his four picks in the six horse field. His own contribution to assisting punters is limited to naming umteen generations of breeding that has no relevance in the claimer anyways as the bulk of punters have never even heard of those horses. Eventually I gave up on it as Lester removed any pleasure to be had on said races. In addition to that Trackside have a get out of jail card by always blaming every error on their "international broadcast partners" I did have a crack at the Kentucky Derby today but only because I knew it was on ESPN and I was confident the coverage and presenters would be first class and it was. chelseacol 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jape again 67 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Strange comments above. The coverage I watched went on for ever and a day. Typically American, one might say, in so many ways but they certainly targeted the "right" people, namely trainer, Bob Baffert and family, and jockey, Vincent Epinoza. I believe I would have seen more of the race, let alone the build-up, than many of the 170,513 people in attendance. I suggest that the clip of the young Bodie jumping up and down over the last 100 metres will be shown many a time over the next 10 Kentucky Derbys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 jape again... I find your comments strange. Coverage was typically American, you say...what a big surprise that is, then, given that it was of America's iconic horse race... You say that you believe that you would have seen more of the race and the coverage than those on course...ever been to the Melbourne Cup? The same applies to most who frequent Christchurch during Cup Week. However, my bet is that there are monitors all over the course showing what is being shown on television. Try getting that on our tracks... Cheers. Ashoka beerwithduncan and chelseacol 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 The economics of covering those US races on Trackside on Sunday mornings etc do make me wonder. Dean isn't that dynamic and I cannot listen to him for any length of time - sloooowllyyyy delivering not much.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut 3,151 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 I've got used to Sat and Sun morning NA racing as I tune in every weekend because of personal NA interests, and I don't mind the over pronounciations ... perhaps it's a "getting cosy with him over a long length of time" moment .. and I'm often doing paperwork or other stuff at the same time anyway .. I do find the music choice weird though.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpole 483 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 well said Ashoka but you must agree Dean Lester is pathetic a few years ago at Trentham he was paid $1500 a day to warm up the crowd geez when i found out about that I went right off Black Kirrama and Ashoka 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricoded 19 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Attached is the NBC coverage of the race which was shown on ESPN2 (61 On Sky) with their aftermath and the alternate commentary they provide. Incidentally, until 10pm there's a replay of the day on the same channel. https://youtube.com/watch?v=iV8aA2A34Rw Chestnut 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut 3,151 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Cheers Tri.. back to what is important Tricoded 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricoded 19 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Cheers Tri.. back to what is important My pleasure, a great race and a super win by a talented horse. Love my USA racing, therefore this time of year is very exciting! Bring on The Preakness! Ashoka 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Today was about the worst ever coverage we have had of the Derby. The commentator was pathetic..what happened to Trevor Denman? Dean Lester waqs shocking!! why could we not get some pre race talks??the build up used to be great especially when the race was on ESPN We did not even get the song "our old Kentucky Home" poor show trackside Michael Dore i will be chasing you tomorrow It is not bloody good enough Just in case you can't get the missus to sing you to sleep with it Rumpole, here ya go: http://www.kentuckyderby.com/experience/traditions/song-my-old-kentucky-home Brilliant coverage on NBC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,409 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 My worry about The Preakness is the continuing unrest in Baltimore. It has been very serious. I hope it all clears away as Preakness Day is Maryland's big annual day on the piss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Today was about the worst ever coverage we have had of the Derby. The commentator was pathetic..what happened to Trevor Denman? Dean Lester waqs shocking!! why could we not get some pre race talks??the build up used to be great especially when the race was on ESPN We did not even get the song "our old Kentucky Home" poor show trackside Michael Dore i will be chasing you tomorrow It is not bloody good enough The race was on channel 61 ESPN. Why Trackside needed its own man for its dismal coverage beyond me. Best American call I have heard was last years Preakness Stakes I think by Larry Collmus. The racecaller there streets ahead of any other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckenzie 607 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 I didn't see the race on Trackside but a better question would be which international races do Trackside do well? Their coverage of races like the Arc/Japan Cup/Royal Ascot/Dubai usually leaves me disappointed as a racing fan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegs Pride 376 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Trackside coverage less than pathetic. Won't be following again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 English Thousand Guineas is being run in the early hours of tomorrow, our time. Just saying... All the best. Ashoka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted May 3, 2015 Channel 60 and 61 are ESPN. Try that next year Rumpole and you'll get six hours of build up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,409 Report post Posted May 4, 2015 Chestnut, I watched a replay was, like you, most impressed with Frosted. See if you can get a replay and see how wide that horse was taken on the final bend. He is my pick for the Belmont. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted May 4, 2015 Frosted went huge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4bettor-orworse 21 Report post Posted May 4, 2015 Just expanding on what others have already said in this thread.... Yep, the main coverage was shown on Australasian ESPN 2. Coverage started at 4am NZ time, giving six hours of pre-derby action as well as the undercard. I say Australasian ESPN because the host broadcaster was NBC in the states. Throughout the week, the ESPN 2 channel was promoting the coverage as being "exclusively on ESPN". Consequently, I didn't even think of switching over to Trackside. Because ESPN comes under the SKY TV umbrella of channels, would trackside have even been able to broadcast the race at all if they hadn't left the freeview platform and switched allegiances to SKY ??? Did Trackside promote the coverage on ESPN? What would they lose by doing so??? Was there a different commentator on the Trackside Coverage? Perhaps they had the on-course commentator and NBC used their own commentator. Interesting point about the Preakness - being in Baltimore and all. Perhaps the charges laid will help alleviate the tension. Comments about Dortmund perhaps a tad harsh. The Preakness is 100m shorter than the derby and A-P only got the better of the other two in the final stages. But clearly, A-P is overall the best horse in this crop. Frosted is my pick too - not for the Preakness but for the Belmont, the third leg of the triple crown, run in New York over a mile and a half. Frosted is based in NY (I think) and reminds me a little of a previous horse his trainer Kieran McGlaughlan had. Jazil ran on late in Babaro's 2006 derby, skipped the Preakness and then won the Belmont. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
