system 33 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Today a dog was let off a swab at Wanganui due to the "owners" touching the dog yet the "owners" of the dog are recorded as the trainers. How does that work? And the catcher of the dog was the husband of the trainer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Today a dog was let off a swab at Wanganui due to the "owners" touching the dog yet the "owners" of the dog are recorded as the trainers. How does that work? And the catcher of the dog was the husband of the trainer! Same thing happened a while back at Wanganui also with Cawbourne Aries... They've set a precedence where if you don't want a swab then get someone to come pat your dog. There was the case in aus where the trainer got off their positive swab due to people handling the dog after the race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 33 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Clearly referred to as owners of this dog. Aries wasn't an owners case? I see people entered for the photo and plenty of noise through commentary on course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Symes 124 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Run about 1 second or 16 lenghts faster than 5 days earlier as well when leading and getting run down. 27 Apr 15 WAN 1 of 8 C1 520m 2 11111 29.9 $3.50 Thrilling Ava 4L1qLhL 30.53 22 Apr 15 WAN 4 of 8 C1q 520m 8 33114 30.3 $5.20 Opawa Token tL2qLn 31.38 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmccook1 2,359 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Come on guys get a grip the trainers in question are personal friends of mine and I feel this negative thread is uncalled for. The dog run faster this week have you ever thought the dog could of got fitter and stronger after a spell? No everyone gets on the something dodgy must be happening!!!! I am disgusted in some people's opinions. you couldn't ask for more hard working trainers than these guys and have the support of some of nz leading trainers and the owners of this dog are so passionate about dog racing and wear their hearts on their sleeves . Great win well done everyone involved. Sheepy and josh77 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
really 4 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Run about 1 second or 16 lenghts faster than 5 days earlier as well when leading and getting run down. 27 Apr 15 WAN 1 of 8 C1 520m 2 11111 29.9 $3.50 Thrilling Ava 4L1qLhL 30.53 22 Apr 15 WAN 4 of 8 C1q 520m 8 33114 30.3 $5.20 Opawa Token tL2qLn 31.38 Was a good bet if you looked at it. 3 starts before run 2nd to winsome Jenny in 30.30 hasnt had many starts . Can't see how you can blame owners or trainers . If the swab was called for and didn't happen someone wasn't doing there job? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlers 7 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Wow the world of racecafe never suprises me. First of all my wife sarah her father garry and everyone else involved work very hard for the little success we get. So when we get a winner and this happens i find it quite insulting. Im pretty sure these 2 would much rather thier dogs run back in the pack free of any drugs than win with the aid of illegal substances. Also as for what happened at wanganui yesterday the swabbing procedure is a vey thourough one. So when certian protocol wasnt followed myself the catcher being the reprisentive for the trainer. I wasnt happy to proceed. David Voyce jasonmccook1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlers 7 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Wow the world of racecafe never suprises me. First of all my wife sarah her father garry and everyone else involved work very hard for the little success we get. So when we get a winner and this happens i find it quite insulting. Im pretty sure these 2 would much rather thier dogs run back in the pack free of any drugs than win with the aid of illegal substances. Also as for what happened at wanganui yesterday the swabbing procedure is a vey thourough one. So when certian protocol wasnt followed myself the catcher being the reprisentive for the trainer. I wasnt happy to proceed. David Voyce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Today a dog was let off a swab at Wanganui due to the "owners" touching the dog yet the "owners" of the dog are recorded as the trainers. How does that work? And the catcher of the dog was the husband of the trainer! I'm not suggesting anything dodgy has occurred and I see System's post as a valid question. https://www.thedogs.co.nz/catch-the-action/11657/stewards-report.aspx "NITRO MARY was called for a swab in this race, due to a communication error with Security the Stewards released the dog as the owners had contact with the dog before it was put away in the swabbing kennel." The registered owners of Nitro Mary is listed as G Ross & S Voyce. They are listed as the trainers as well. https://www.thedogs.co.nz/greyhounds/profiles.aspx?AnimalID=25290 Therefore, why would it be a problem if the "owners" had contact with the dog prior to swabbing? Are G Ross & S Voyce the owners & G Ross & S Voyce the trainers different people? Craig, on the 22nd the track was in abysmal condition with all the winning times recorded extremely slow. On that day, the track was deemed safe enough for the dogs to run on, but humans were kept off it whenever possible. system 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 33 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Certainly not suggesting dodgy in this case and I never mentioned it that way. The dog has a sure amount of ability! Just think its not right that the owners, being the trainers (as it says on paper) touched the dog, so they opted out of the swab. Maybe the report reads wrong. GONSTA 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 33 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Jason. No one mentioned dodgy or illegal substances other than you. It was a simple question of why the dog wasn't swabbed after being handled by the owners/trainers. My post was a question of the stipes and if we are given the correct information, nothing to do with illegal dodgy doings as YOU suggest. GONSTA 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmccook1 2,359 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Jason. No one mentioned dodgy or illegal substances other than you. It was a simple question of why the dog wasn't swabbed after being handled by the owners/trainers. My post was a question of the stipes and if we are given the correct information, nothing to do with illegal dodgy doings as YOU suggest. the dodgy suggestion was aimed at craig with his comment about going 16 lengths quicker, he obviously cant read a race or track conditions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Voyce 12 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 I've had to make an account just to explain about this dog. Even though its noone's business. We got this dog when our friend passed away nearly a year ago- Graham hayden-holmes. She was his baby and still a pup. So she's a very special dog. Yes myself and my father are owners of this dog. However she has alot of support from Grahams friends. Clearly it was worded wrong on the report and if it worries you that much you have to start a topic I will go and speak to the stewards on Friday and get the report re done if that can be done. Happy now?? jasonmccook1 and Yankiwi 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic 124 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 As you get abit more into Racecafe Sarah, you will see that this is just the way it is on here, so please continue to post about the dog....its fantastic to see this dog going well after the loss of Graham...and this is info that should have pride of place on these forums. Yes there is also going to be an element of bullsh*t or negativity (these forums are important tools), but rise above it for the benefit of the sport. Slim Shady, Sarah Voyce, Gary Sharp and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBigStuff 398 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Come on guys get a grip the trainers in question are personal friends of mine and I feel this negative thread is uncalled for. The dog run faster this week have you ever thought the dog could of got fitter and stronger after a spell? No everyone gets on the something dodgy must be happening!!!! I am disgusted in some people's opinions. you couldn't ask for more hard working trainers than these guys and have the support of some of nz leading trainers and the owners of this dog are so passionate about dog racing and wear their hearts on their sleeves . Great win well done everyone involved. JASON - you should pay your money you owe to NZGRA. https://www.thedogs.co.nz/Files/4%20Defaulters%20List%20-%20Website.pdf You are the third in the high order rank for the amount! system 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
come on ref 155 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 can you explain then what happened???? did the stipe get it wrong ???? did only the trainers and handlers only touch the dog so why no swob ???? if you get a swob you need to make sure no one touches your dog easy as so what happened system 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Voyce 12 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 Come on ref, What happen was my husband caught the dog and was never told our dog was a swab- So the dog was taken to the podium and the supporters came down got their photo and gave the dog cuddles/kisses and it wasn't until after all that my husband then got informed our dog was a swab. Hope that explains everything for you.. Gary Sharp, Yankiwi and alltheway!!! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 33 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 That's all that was asked from the original post! No need for all the attitude, negativity and dodgy crap that people added. Always nice to see the small trainers winning, and I'm sure Graham would be very proud of her. Apologies for a simple question sending people awol! jasonmccook1, Yankiwi and Sarah Voyce 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 Come on ref, What happen was my husband caught the dog and was never told our dog was a swab- So the dog was taken to the podium and the supporters came down got their photo and gave the dog cuddles/kisses and it wasn't until after all that my husband then got informed our dog was a swab. Hope that explains everything for you.. When are you normally informed that you have been selected for a post race swab? Straight away? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 Wouldnt be the first time that the wanganui swabbing staff screwed this up, im supprised they still have jobs when eras like this continue to happen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 Sarah Voyce... Thank you for clearly explaining what happened. It would appear, from what you have said, that you, those involved in the training of the greyhound and your loyal supporters are innocent parties in an incident, the type of which does, and will, occur from time to time. This situation appears to have been compounded by a loosely, to put it generously, worded stipendiary steward report. I do hope that, given the actual wording of the stipendiary steward report, that you and your colleagues understand that the questioning of what really happened is entirely justified. It is the mistakes on the part of officialdom that have caused you unnecessary angst and you have done a fine job of setting the record straight. All the best. Ashoka Yankiwi, system and Sarah Voyce 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Voyce 12 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 When are you normally informed that you have been selected for a post race swab? Straight away? As soon as you catch the dogs the stewards will radio over if there's a swab and then its the guards job to tell the handler of the dog. So yes right away but mistakes do happen. jasonmccook1, alltheway!!! and GONSTA 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 system... You were entirely correct in raising this matter and good on you for keeping an eye on things. Never has it been more important to try to "keep the bastards honest", so to speak. The official information published created a crisis out of nothing and the connections of the greyhound in question deserved to have their name cleared, it would appear, and this now appears to have been done. All strength to you. All the best. Ashoka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
come on ref 155 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 so you are sayin mike said nothing till after the pictures were taken.reguards the swob. its mike/s fault then who is he ruled by???/ a little embrassing for him and id be piissed at him for throwimg you lot under the bus too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Voyce 12 Report post Posted April 28, 2015 so you are sayin mike said nothing till after the pictures were taken.reguards the swob. its mike/s fault then who is he ruled by???/ a little embrassing for him and id be piissed at him for throwimg you lot under the bus too He did radio through- It was the guard that failed to tell us. Anyway its sorted now. =) jasonmccook1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
