WhoKnows 791 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 I still think that the South Island has overall the higher calibre and more competitive fields in the country, by I think the C.D has well and truely passed the Northern area for a clear 2nd place and not too far behind the southerners. The Auckland and Waikato area would have to be a distant third with pretty average fields most weeks and anything can win really. With another Southern trainer rumoured to be moving up to the C.D in the next few months it might even get more competitive, not sure why more C.D trainers don't race at Auckland and Waikato, they would win a lot more races and make the northerners lift their game! Alesha_666 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Idk, id consider the south the strongest, but i still feel as though the north is ahead of the c.d, for example, last monday at auck, Ahern, freeman and roberts had over half the meeting, with ahern racing 15 dogs by herself, now how many races did she win? Than compare it to the amount they win in the c.d, it wasnt that greater day for them than the wellington cup heats and finals had on display the best dogs in the cd and who came out on top? Thrilling georga, a dog that has struggled up in the north and has just come off a serious injury Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 South by miles, Central just from North. Matt Roberts has strengthened the C.D a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Currently, Southern dogs by a small margin. (although didn't Blitzing Mayhem recently show them how it's done?). Northern dogs slightly behind (it's not the dogs fault they have fewer high grade meets). CD a distant third. (in many cases when a dog is shifted from the CD to the North, it drops at least a grade or two before it gets a win). Just my opinion. alltheway!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonkatime 323 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Idk, id consider the south the strongest, but i still feel as though the north is ahead of the c.d, for example, last monday at auck, Ahern, freeman and roberts had over half the meeting, with ahern racing 15 dogs by herself, now how many races did she win? Than compare it to the amount they win in the c.d, it wasnt that greater day for themthan the wellington cup heats and finals had on display the best dogs in the cd and who came out on top? Thrilling georga, a dog that has struggled up in the north and has just come off a serious injury To be fair for a lot of the dogs they took up there seemed to be having there first start on the track. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Also, the northerners have taken out the majority of group races this season with the only two group one races not taken out by them being the galaxy and spion rose Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 I agree that the North has some top dogs at the moment but it's pretty thin depth. Blitzing Mayhem, Bright Star etc. Even former topliners like Double Magic and Jannik are past their best. Schofield has some nice young dogs. I think Ahern/Freeman/Roberts in the CD makes it stronger than ever. In the South it's like George Simon saying, 'Dunno where to look'. Fahey, Cleeve, Roberts, McInerney, Blackburn, Grant, Adcock, Weir, Bradshaw, Dann, Stapleton, Dunn, Casey/Fagan, Hart/Taylor, Cairns, Lee.... GONSTA and alltheway!!! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeneye99 19 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 easily the south, always has been and always will be,pity the caller is the weakest in nz dustydreamnz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 I agree that the North has some top dogs at the moment but it's pretty thin depth. Depth? Have a look behind the gates (figuratively speaking) of the Walsh kennels. Just because you don't see them race two or three times a week, doesn't mean they are not there. alltheway!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Walsh, clark, schofield, craiks, hore, lawrence, these trainers can ein races anywhere, i mean udy and agent pick up 2, 3 races a meeting down in the cd a week Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Depth? Have a look behind the gates (figuratively speaking) of the Walsh kennels. Just because you don't see them race two or three times a week, doesn't mean they are not there. Nearly half the dogs under Walsh's name on thedogs website are retired I think. Now go look behind the gates of Aherns team and boy do they have some beautifully bred pups. Definitely a 'premiership' winning team IMO. dustydreamnz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Yet walsh bet all these superstars of cole with a dog that you couldnt have in her top 5 best dogs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Yet walsh bet all these superstars of cole with a dog that you couldnt have in her top 5 best dogs Because the best dog of his in that series nearly knuckled over in the heats and came out and ran the fastest time at Manukau since Blitzing Mayhem / Lady Shambi?? Also Thrilling Georga not in Walsh's top 5 dogs ? Oh puhlease. Would give carter windburn over 520, and probably Butcha the way he's going lately! What 5 are better than her alltheway? dustydreamnz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Now go look behind the gates of Aherns team and boy do they have some beautifully bred pups. Definitely a 'premiership' winning team IMO. Winning a premiership starts by having good dogs. It can also be very heavily aided by the level of competition which they race against. Is it safe to say the premier track in the North is Manukau, the CD is Hatrick and the South is Addington? How many "guests" have gone to Manukau and beat the home team in group races? How many "guests" have gone to Addington and done the same? (I've intentionally not left much space between the above questions for names/races) How many "guests" have gone to Hatrick and the title has left the CD region? (notably ample room for names/races below) alltheway!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Nearly half the dogs under Walsh's name on thedogs website are retired I think. Now go look behind the gates of Aherns team and boy do they have some beautifully bred pups. Definitely a 'premiership' winning team IMO. Exactly. Lady Shambi was another the North unfortunately lost. The Walsh kennels are nowhere near the force they were, why I don't know. As you say Reilly, you can't trust thedogs website for updated info. A big sign of depth in an area is the strength of the fields in the lower grades and the fields in the c0 races in the North lately have been poor in my opinion. I was a big fan of the Craik kennels but they aren't as strong as they were, that Prairie dog is one of the few coming through. The strength in each area varies but since I started following dogs 15 years ago, the South have always been the strongest. Most of that long list of trainers I listed were around then and training at a similar level but as Ray Adcock said in his interview, good trainers need good dogs. It's hard to make the slow ones go fast. GONSTA and Yankiwi 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Its just another dog of the bunny, hence why it got beaten in the heats, it does have an engine but will get beaten Butcha is ten times better as georga, same with carter, georga couldnt get close to them, logic is another, thrilling edge would also be considered better (even though he is a sprinter), thrilling evie is looking like the real deal over distance Yankiwi 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 heres some stats on group races nation wide SI group stats since 2010 SI: 31 GROUP VIC ND: 8 GROUP VIC CD: 6 GROUP VIC the south island obviously dominate the group features down there, the majority of the group race victories down south from the cd came from little mother (4/5) and the majority of northern group race victors in this region came from distance races CD group stats since 2010: Nd: 18 group vic SI: 16 group vic CD: 12 group vic Alot closer in the CD with the ND just edging out the SI in most group race victories. Nearly half of the cd victories over the last 5 yrs have come in the dash for cash, having won it every year since 2010 ND group stats since 2010 ND: 28 CD: 12 SI: 8 The ND have also dominated there own region over the last 5 years. The CD just edged out the SI thanks to Ahern/Cole having had the majority of the success up north with bigtime Kinvara and little mother. Also, 3 /8 group victors from down south over the last 5 years have come in the sires produce Total group race victories: SI: 55 CD: 30 ND: 54 Overall, the SI just edged out the ND with one more group race victory with the cd being a distant third Please note that My numbers may be slightly off say Give or take 2 victories Yankiwi and dustydreamnz 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 You could also possibly add one more to the ND as i left out swift fantasys win in the 2010 top dog challenge at auck. I wasnt sure whether or not i should put it in dustydreamnz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 Overall, the SI just edged out the ND with one more group race victory with the cd being a distant third It seems as though your numbers are right in line with what my gut feeling was. I must remember to go to that NZ auction site and sell my calculator! lol alltheway!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 I agree that the North has some top dogs at the moment but it's pretty thin depth. Sorry to quote your same statement twice Dusty. My "On Track" magazine lists tonights Wanganui meet as high grade, yet it started with a C1 sprint followed by a C1 middle distance race. Race 3 & 4 are both C2 sprints. In race 5 we see a C3 sprints followed by race 6 with a second C3 sprint, or mid point in the grading between C1 & C5. Race 7 sees us back to a C2 middle distance. Finally, in race 8 (and three hours after race one) we see the first, what I consider to be a high grade race, with a C4 sprint. Yet the north lacks depth??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoKnows 791 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 I am talking about OVERALL quality, there are always going to be a few great dogs from each region but as a rule I still feel the South are better from the C.D and the North Jabba2 and dustydreamnz 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryagain 74 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 Things will change yet again Kiwi after midnite tomorrow as the neww 3 miss rule come into effect. Will be interesting to see what impact this has......I guess natural cobalt readings in each region might have a bearing on your stats too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 See, Angvela just another dog once its beaten out off the lids Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 Sorry to quote your same statement twice Dusty. My "On Track" magazine lists tonights Wanganui meet as high grade, yet it started with a C1 sprint followed by a C1 middle distance race. Race 3 & 4 are both C2 sprints. In race 5 we see a C3 sprints followed by race 6 with a second C3 sprint, or mid point in the grading between C1 & C5. Race 7 sees us back to a C2 middle distance. Finally, in race 8 (and three hours after race one) we see the first, what I consider to be a high grade race, with a C4 sprint. Yet the north lacks depth??? Yes. Another star emerging in the CD-Winning is Easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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