Huey 2,037 Report post Posted January 23, 2015 Given the same individuals who are supposed to be neutral and working in the media are jockeys agents, racing managers producers of Stud infomercials aligned to stables the list goes on , you'll never get a decent story out of them. Ashoka and chevy86 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted January 23, 2015 The connections of, in this case Fastdane Rocky are under no obligation to divulge information, although I'm sure if it suited them and it was news that would benefit them, they would be. I suspect they are all pissing in each other's pockets, and that is why nothing has been published, after all NZ racing is a small, tight community That's it in a nutshell. And remember we are dealing with some of the big players here - Rogersons, Hogan, probably also NZB ..... Some excellent, well reasoned debate on this thread so Nim - make no apology for kicking it off mate. Also - generally investigative journalism is IMO weak in NZ. And in this case - for a journo to dig and expose truths which may be unfortunate/unpleasant and untimely - may end up being a case of biting the hand that feeds them ... (and if they didn't figure this out for themselves I'm sure someone would have helped them out and made teh point to them ........) If so, this doesn't say much for the intrepid independence of the press but there you go ... it's the way of the world in many cases ... and there is certainly a lot of inter-dependence, mutual back-scratching and cartel-like behavior within this particular industry of ours and around sales. None of this is to say we are entitled to know all about Rocky's demise - that is not my argument. But given the earlier hype (just google the horse's name) - at least one racing journo would undoubtedly have taken an interest to find out the post-script - and yet here we have a deafening silence. Ashoka 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 Just heard Peter E on radio talking to G Rogerson about his chances on the track today - the sales - and his horses in to race tomorrow - including the Karaka Millions race. Yet there was no mention by PE or GR of the horse who was the headline act for that race up until very recently. Not only theheadline hype in racing publications either - but mainstream media had also been involved in promoting the horse, its connections and the race. It really was conspicuous by its absence - a topic both studiously avoided. It felt rather odd actually - like an elephant in the room. N1MUE and Ashoka 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 We have this situation in NZ, where the racing press, don't really write stories related to sensitive Racing industry issues. Look at the Lisa Cropp debacle, there may have been one maybe two stories. They are all indulged in self interest, afraid of pissing off someone well up the tree and being sent to whatever media's version of Siberia is. In that sense, we do not have freedom of the press. What happened the last time a publication didn't think of the implications of their work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 Horse wasn't bred at LA was it? Just heard Peter E on radio talking to G Rogerson about his chances on the track today - the sales - and his horses in to race tomorrow - including the Karaka Millions race. Yet there was no mention by PE or GR of the horse who was the headline act for that race up until very recently. Not only theheadline hype in racing publications either - but mainstream media had also been involved in promoting the horse, its connections and the race. It really was conspicuous by its absence - a topic both studiously avoided. It felt rather odd actually - like an elephant in the room. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Best 175 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 Racing media are scared .................ring Des tomorrow and ask about this... ask him to get Rogie on the phone and confirm about him. See what spluttering you get. I cant out fishing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,700 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 Just got back from attending the funeral of a good friend.You may know him.His name was INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM He had been battling an illness for some time but finally succumbed to MEDIOCRITY. In lieu of flowers donations were asked to be given to The Robert Muldoon Foundation for AN ORCHESTRATED LITANY OF LIES or The Winson Churchill Fund for A TECHNICAL DEVIATION FROM THE TRUTH. awego, Cubes and Ashoka 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 Haha Crusty you shouldn't be drinking sherry at this hour - that is a bit OTT. We aren't talking about world affairs, wars, aircraft crashing - its the death of a horse. Some perspective needed eh?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,700 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 You are quite right. I should have made it clear that the death of investigative journalism from my perspective included all topics. Ashoka 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 416 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 A minor issue, but an important principle, the racing media are effectively muzzled in NZ. I'll tell you why it is important, no racing journalist will write hard hitting stories about the state of Racing in NZ, about the stakes that have not really risen in 10 years, about excessive costs, about the culture of excessiveness, about the lack of leadership and entrepreneurialism. No one did any digging about the Bayliss fiasco and his extramural activity, about other leaders who mysteriously left, like Andrew Brown. No one does any digging about the continuing malfunction of starting gates, about the sub-standard tracks or facilities. No one does any research about some of the poor decisions that are made, such as having the Auckland Cup on a Wed, it may well be right, but how would we know in the absence of any independent data. So it is left up to blog sites like this one, and they are generally regarded as the home of nutters and loonies, so no one takes any notice. Perhaps some of the editors of these journo's, who are a few steps more removed from the junket should demand investigative journalism, after all that is their job because its there lively hood and most have other intresting in racing that affect it if crossed there line thats why a lot them are so far up the ass of of racing people surprises me its not been said jess, chevy86 and Ashoka 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trakdap 390 Report post Posted January 24, 2015 Mr Gee.#65 It has probably been implied on more than one occasion on this site. But like a lot of good suggestions/debates on here, it takes the SLOW thinkers , IQ deficient and YES men, a while for it to "sink in". Ashoka 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess 1,244 Report post Posted January 25, 2015 Horse wasn't bred at LA was it? ha ha Huey .. I hear ya! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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