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That little man with a big soap box is again making the people of Whanganui proud. He now wants to sterilise beneficiaries, criminals and drug addicts.

If he were to throw in Jews and Gypsies we could all begin referring to him as

Das Fuhrer of Whanagnui

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That little man with a big soap box is again making the people of Whanganui proud. He now wants to sterilise beneficiaries, criminals and drug addicts.

If he were to throw in Jews and Gypsies we could all begin referring to him as

Das Fuhrer of Whanagnui

But the Whanganui-ites keep voting him in, Rooboy...

It's them that are prompting his policies...

Never forget that even Das Fuhrer became Chancellor of Germany by entirely democratic means...

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..'bout time folk were reminded of LAWSbyMichael's allegiences.,

..he was and may still be...a member of the career-commie collective known as Parliamentarians for Global Action(formerly.,pre 78-79., it was called PARLIAMENTARIANS For WORLD ORDER) :eek:

..an outfit Many past pollies've been a member of., Both th'Blues and th'Reds:rolleyes: . . .global villagers no less.

..here's a link for your 'starters' :e: (spot th'bit about birthcontrol:eek: )

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Parliamentarians-for-Global-Action

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..'bout time folk were reminded of LAWSbyMichael's allegiences.,

..he was and may still be...a member of the career-commie collective known as Parliamentarians for Global Action(formerly.,pre 78-79., it was called PARLIAMENTARIANS For WORLD ORDER) :eek:

..an outfit Many past pollies've been a member of., Both th'Blues and th'Reds:rolleyes: . . .global villagers no less.

..here's a link for your 'starters' :e: (spot th'bit about birthcontrol:eek: )

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Parliamentarians-for-Global-Action

..a Wikipedia link http://yomi.mobi/egate/Parliamentarians_for_Global_Action/a ..and in case you miss, or weren't going to find or click the link down at the Foot of this linkpage...in "Catagories"., http://yomi.mobi/egate/Category%3AWorld_government/a :e:

..off Google's tiers...'bout 5-in, a link on Ross Robertson LAB http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/MPP/MPs/MPs/2/b/5/49MP2301-Robertson-Ross.htm

..don't worry., Ross ain't 'special'...there've been a Stack of pollies in this outfit...possibly unsurprisingly to you once you've had a wander'n'Ponder...on these links that Do for you...what our fourth estate Won't., . ."Savy!"

Spot the conference held here in Wgtn a few years ago., Very newsworthy I'd've thought :e: . ...not a sausage

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But the Whanganui-ites keep voting him in, Rooboy...

It's them that are prompting his policies...

Never forget that even Das Fuhrer became Chancellor of Germany by entirely democratic means...

Unless you live in Wanganui and actually experience what he has/is doing for Wanganui then one can't really understand the guy,it is the pointy headed academic socialist misfits who despise him,as they can't bear to hear what the majority of Kiwis think.(I have no figures to back this)

He IS outspoken,he doesn't suffer fools lightly but he has done a lot for Wanganui.

He is trying to do something about the low life who breed without any thought beyond the benefit they receive and then bash to death the poor innocent toddlers they bring into this world.

It is pretty obvious that he is referring to the scum of society eg Gangs and NOT the average beneficiary,but as always the media put a "spin" on everything he says.

So good on Mayor Michael for saying what most think.

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It is not a new concept. Hitler quite liked that policy too!

I think next week Mr Laws will be proposing that the Swasticka is encorporated into Whanganui's coat of arms.

Laws is a pathetic little man and I feel sorry for him and his followers

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It is not a new concept. Hitler quite liked that policy too!

I think next week Mr Laws will be proposing that the Swasticka is encorporated into Whanganui's coat of arms.

Laws is a pathetic little man and I feel sorry for him and his followers

So I can assume that you don't mind these low lifes breeding like rabbits and then when full of booze and "P" beat up on these poor unfortunate toddlers.

Of course there would not be a swastika in the coat of arms as there is a ban on gang patches in our great little city.

And by the way it is WANGANUI :D:

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...it is the pointy headed academic socialist misfits who despise him...

I think I only qualify under one of those terms, Grahame - and, no, I won't tell you which!

I don't despise Mr Laws - I just think he is a populist rabble-raiser.

My point was that what he is doing clearly appeals to the majority of Wanganui citizens ... or certainly those who bother to vote in local elections.

I'm not sure where I stand on the 'h' that is or isn't in the town's name.

On the one hand it seems a lot of fuss over nothing for a people that, until shown an English alphabet, ever bothered to write anything down.

On the other hand it seems a continuation of the lack of tolerance the English (and by extension us modern-day white New Zealanders) have for foreign cultures ... we still call PaREE as Paris and Milano as Milan, for example.

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..'bout time folk were reminded of LAWSbyMichael's allegiences.,

..he was and may still be...a member of the career-commie collective known as Parliamentarians for Global Action(formerly.,pre 78-79., it was called PARLIAMENTARIANS For WORLD ORDER) :eek:

..an outfit Many past pollies've been a member of., Both th'Blues and th'Reds:rolleyes: . . .global villagers no less.

..here's a link for your 'starters' :e: (spot th'bit about birthcontrol:eek: )

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Parliamentarians-for-Global-Action

Geez Hedley I know you're into global conspiracy theories in a big way but categorising Parliamentarians for Global Action as part of a world wide conspiracy really takes global conspiracy theories to the ultimate.

Personally I'd become a lot less paranoid if people stopped conspiring and talking about me behind my back. I know you are all out their doing it and I think I know who you are or at least I do in theory so stop it at once or I'll... I'll... I'll become even more paranoid!!!

The conditions of membership for Parliamentarians for Global Action are based on democratic values and include:

1. members must be freely elected by the general population or a reasonable segment of it,

2. the election should be open to more than one political party, or to those who have no party,

3. the Parliament must show evidence of an actual ability to engage in free debate,

4. the Parliament must have the right to reject legislation proposed by the government.

Doesn't look that sinister to me. If Laws joined that when he was an MP then it's probably the only sensible achievement of his life so far.

Conspiracies and conspirators usually work in secret which is why we usually theorise about them until their secret activities are revealed so if Parliamentarians for Global Action are conspirators they are very inept ones as they open their membership to all Parliamentarians who meet their criteria and are publicised on their websites and in Wikipedia and individual MPs talk about their activities and hold their conferences in public. The fact you've identified their conspiracy highlights their conspiratorial failure. As conspirators they look like abject failures to me.

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But the Whanganui-ites keep voting him in, Rooboy...

It's them that are prompting his policies...

Never forget that even Das Fuhrer became Chancellor of Germany by entirely democratic means...

Actually not by entirely democratic means. The social democrats for most of the time of Hitlers rise to power were the largest party in the Reichstag. In the election of 1933 marred by the Reichstag fire which many believe was started by the Nazis but blamed on the communists and some social democrats the Nazis only achieved 43.9% of the vote -well short of the expected 50% plus projected - despite widespread intimidation tactics. Blaming of the fire on his opponents allowed him to persuade the president Paul Hindenburg to ban the communists and many social democrats from taking their seats in the Reichstag and with most of the communist leaders & deputies in jail and the leadership of the social democrats and others opponents underground through intimidation and unable to take their seats in the Parliament Hitler formed a coalition with conservative nationalists and he had only the SDP members who managed to take their seats to oppose him.

If the 81 communist deputies and left leaning social democrats elected had been allowed to take their seats, the 17% plus percent of the parliament the communists represented plus the additional banned opposition depuites & the SDP deputies that were able to take their seats would have defeated the enabling act that gave Hitler wide powers.

So although Hitler used a democratic election as a springboard to come to power, it wasn't "by entirely democratic means." That election itself apart from the fire & the propaganda and lies surrounding it was marred by intimidation and violence like most of the Nazis Party's rise to power - only partly democratic and being partly democratic is like being a little bit pregnant.

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But the Whanganui-ites keep voting him in, Rooboy...

It's them that are prompting his policies...

Never forget that even Das Fuhrer became Chancellor of Germany by entirely democratic means...

A better analogy of Laws outburst about compulsory sterilisation of everyone he decrees is unfit to have children is Sanjay Ghandi's move to have forced sterilisation as a population control measure in India in 1975. They tried a voluntary programme in the early 1970s but that was highly unpopular and resisted so turned to a compulsory one. The backlash was huge and saw his Congress party defeated in 1977 removing his mother as PM and him as a minister. The party returned to power at the next election but the sterilisation policies forced and voluntary were dropped having failed any basic democratic tests. Such compulsory policies have only succeeded when tried by unelected authoritarian governments and even then met with widespread resistance.

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Actually not by entirely democratic means. The social democrats for most of the time of Hitlers rise to power were the largest party in the Reichstag. In the election of 1933 marred by the Reichstag fire which many believe was started by the Nazis but blamed on the communists and some social democrats the Nazis only achieved 43.9% of the vote -well short of the expected 50% plus projected - despite widespread intimidation tactics. Blaming of the fire on his opponents allowed him to persuade the president Paul Hindenburg to ban the communists and many social democrats from taking their seats in the Reichstag and with most of the communist leaders & deputies in jail and the leadership of the social democrats and others opponents underground through intimidation and unable to take their seats in the Parliament Hitler formed a coalition with conservative nationalists and he had only the SDP members who managed to take their seats to oppose him.

If the 81 communist deputies and left leaning social democrats elected had been allowed to take their seats, the 17% plus percent of the parliament the communists represented plus the additional banned opposition depuites & the SDP deputies that were able to take their seats would have defeated the enabling act that gave Hitler wide powers.

So although Hitler used a democratic election as a springboard to come to power, it wasn't "by entirely democratic means." That election itself apart from the fire & the propaganda and lies surrounding it was marred by intimidation and violence like most of the Nazis Party's rise to power - only partly democratic and being partly democratic is like being a little bit pregnant.

Why, Philocon, that seems perfectly democratic to me - nowhere near as bad as Little Winston holding both National and Labour to ransom after the election where he eventually got the baubles of office he wasn't seeking, lol...

My original statement might read better if I hadn't used the 'entirely' tag, I will concede!

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A better analogy of Laws outburst about compulsory sterilisation of everyone he decrees is unfit to have children is Sanjay Ghandi's move to have forced sterilisation as a population control measure in India in 1975. They tried a voluntary programme in the early 1970s but that was highly unpopular and resisted so turned to a compulsory one. The backlash was huge and saw his Congress party defeated in 1977 removing his mother as PM and him as a minister. The party returned to power at the next election but the sterilisation policies forced and voluntary were dropped having failed any basic democratic tests. Such compulsory policies have only succeeded when tried by unelected authoritarian governments and even then met with widespread resistance.

Lets get some facts straight. Laws never once mentioned 'compulsory sterilisation'.

What he proposed is $10,000 payable by the state to people who volunteered themselves for sterilisation.

That's completely different to what you have suggested in your little rant.

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I totally agree with laws...

wanganui people are so ugly.. who would want to breed with them anyway :)

what did they use to call the town... sin city way back in 60's-70's

everyone was sleeping with everyone .something like that.. the towns got histry(sexual)

bit like gore.. people all being related to each other .. either living with each other sleeping with each other or ending up married ...to your cousin... yep think laws is onto something here.:)

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I totally agree with laws...

wanganui people are so ugly.. who would want to breed with them anyway :)

what did they use to call the town... sin city way back in 60's-70's

everyone was sleeping with everyone .something like that.. the towns got histry(sexual)

bit like gore.. people all being related to each other .. either living with each other sleeping with each other or ending up married ...to your cousin... yep think laws is onto something here.:)

Just like any other small town in NZ ay tubbs :D

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Lets get some facts straight. Laws never once mentioned 'compulsory sterilisation'.

What he proposed is $10,000 payable by the state to people who volunteered themselves for sterilisation.

That's completely different to what you have suggested in your little rant.

That was the first stage of Sanjay Ghandi's programme except he offered transistor radios rather than $10,000. Even proved unpopular with bribery and compulsion was the next step..

Problem is who makes the decision as to what undesirable groups must be offered the bribe to be sterilised? Is the decison to be based on income, social status, race, personal prejudice, values of one person or group.

It is elitist and prejudiced and assumes that only the children of certain social classes grow into social misfits and not others.

Class and income etc determine opportunity and odds of making it but do not guarantee anything. It has a strong smell of the eugenics movement of the early part of the 20th century which has been largely discredited. While Adolf Hitler is the most notorious advocate of the idea basing his party and state ideology on it, other prominent supporters of the ideas in more modified forms were, H. G. Wells, Woodrow Wilson, Prescott Bush (father and grandfather of two recent American presidents), Theodore Roosevelt, Emile Zola, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, Winston Churchill, Sir Truby King, Sidney Webb and many others.

Today most regard it as a concept, which when practiced, was responsible for massive human rights violations and involved the identification and classification of people, such as the poor, mentally ill, blind, so called promiscuous women, homosexuals and other groups considered degenerate or unfit. Suggested solutions included segregation, institutionalisation, sterilisation and euthanasia, all of which were tried in various countries at some time or other and in the case of Nazi Germany they got the full package.

At what stage does inducement (based on selected stereotyped groups) turn into social pressure and eventually compulsion?

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BUT

It's Ok for Pita "not to Sharp"les to use our taxpayers money to fly Gang members to Auckland and then tell them, "There is more enemy out there that isn't Brown" (or something similar).

IS THAT NOT RASCIST USING OUR OWN MONEY ? ? ?

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BUT

It's Ok for Pita "not to Sharp"les to use our taxpayers money to fly Gang members to Auckland and then tell them, "There is more enemy out there that isn't Brown" (or something similar).

IS THAT NOT RASCIST USING OUR OWN MONEY ? ? ?

I don't see the connection. No it's not racist. Many ministers and other govt functionaries have met with gang leaders in the past including a former PM and used taxpayers money to do so.

Whether you agree with what Sharples did is another matter but to label it racist is ridiculous when similar initiatives by Muldoon when he was PM were criticised by some but never labelled racist.

I'm not a supporter of Sharples or the Maori party but there was nothing racist in the comment you misquote. What he was quoted in the media as saying was "Why are we fighting whakapapa against whakapapa? There's so much enemy that is not brown."

Given he didn't name the enemy in that quote you are assuming he meant a particular racial group. The enemy doesn't even have to be human. It could be social and economic conditions, attitudes of govt agencies and policies etc. All that statement says is to stop fighting each other and look to the real issues that confront Maoridom many of which are external.

I don't think Sharples has the answers to the problems and don't agree with a lot of the paths he has taken but to label them racist is way off the mark.

How that links to a Laws comments about scapegoating classes in society and impracticable outmoded solutions that not only have been shown not to work but have dangerous human rights and basic democratic implications is baffling.

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I don't see the connection. No it's not racist. Many ministers and other govt functionaries have met with gang leaders in the past including a former PM and used taxpayers money to do so.

Whether you agree with what Sharples did is another matter but to label it racist is ridiculous when similar initiatives by Muldoon when he was PM were criticised by some but never labelled racist.

I'm not a supporter of Sharples or the Maori party but there was nothing racist in the comment you misquote. What he was quoted in the media as saying was "Why are we fighting whakapapa against whakapapa? There's so much enemy that is not brown."

Given he didn't name the enemy in that quote you are assuming he meant a particular racial group. The enemy doesn't even have to be human. It could be social and economic conditions, attitudes of govt agencies and policies etc. All that statement says is to stop fighting each other and look to the real issues that confront Maoridom many of which are external.

I don't think Sharples has the answers to the problems and don't agree with a lot of the paths he has taken but to label them racist is way off the mark.

How that links to a Laws comments about scapegoating classes in society and impracticable outmoded solutions that not only have been shown not to work but have dangerous human rights and basic democratic implications is baffling.

would you classify the latest rants of that great maori intellectual hone harawera as racist ?

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would you classify the latest rants of that great maori intellectual hone harawera as racist ?

No and I don't think you really understand what racism is if you think they are. Some of his statements are illogical and idiotic and some were even directed at some of his own people such as Buddy Mikaere of the Waitangi Tribunal, but racist, no not really. Taking a sightseeing trip to Paris when supposed to be attending a meeting on behalf of govt opens him to a lot of criticism and was irresponsible as has been some of his reactions to the criticism but not racist. Maori are just as capable of electing loose cannons to Parliament as the rest of us.

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No and I don't think you really understand what racism is if you think they are. Some of his statements are illogical and idiotic and some were even directed at some of his own people such as Buddy Mikaere of the Waitangi Tribunal, but racist, no not really. Taking a sightseeing trip to Paris when supposed to be attending a meeting on behalf of govt opens him to a lot of criticism and was irresponsible as has been some of his reactions to the criticism but not racist. Maori are just as capable of electing loose cannons to Parliament as the rest of us.

OK Phil, If a 'white mother f-----r made the same comments about maori would you still defend their right to fair comment?

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