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Just wondering how much The Met paid Shane Warne to show up today and if they feel they got value for money. He was on the Dias when the best dressed woman was

chosen but didn't say anything. He got a ride in the mobile gate for one race,

apart from that not sure what the point of him being there was

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A bloody good spin bowler though and he knows how to pull the birds !!!!

 

His hair-growth knowledge also gives us baldies hope.

 

I'd cross tthe street to hang around him in the hope that some of the crumbs of his knowledge blow my way.

 

Just a small part of the total package which makes NZ Cup day the place to be.

 

A lot of "love" coming away from the track today...a lot of the perennial moans absent today......the Purdon stable ,the Purdon stable drivers ,team driving ,bad driving , Trackside ,Trackside presentors ,MGuerin, the Whale , too many tips per race,food,drink prices ,lack of TV screens etc etc........Everything beautiful today.

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Bit sad and embarrassing that a guy like Warney is considered a good investment at around 50-75 k. I would have done the same job for a case of cold ones ;)  Is the celebrity pool that shallow? 

 

Liz Hurley would be a good choice but me thinks they were aiming at an attraction for the young ladies. Lots of them = lots of young guys with $$$ in their pockets.

 

Judging by the state of some of those young ladies on course by Race 12 they wouldn't know if they were banging Shane Warne or a toothless hunchback of Notre Dame ;)

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Right on Duncan. Anyone that thinks that Warne had any affect on crowd numbers or media coverage for that matter is deluded.

Those 23,000 were always going to turn up, it is an iconic day out in Canterbury, a "one off" for most.

Media always cover the week and Terror to Love going for 4 Cups was always the main draw card.

The disappointing thing was the TV concentration on pissed young women wearing impossible dresses.

Many were struggling before the first race so God knows what they were like after the last....;)

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The supporting races  on cup day have been $20,000 for how many years now? and with them now paying $400 from the total to the also rans I wonder just how much the first 4 stakes have devalued from the first year they ran for 20 grand. Here they are saying that the horse people are happy still running for 20 grand on cup day like they have for so many years even though costs are much higher and that the money is better in Shane Warne's pocket and better spent on promoting the day itself. And we wonder why the breeding numbers have dipped under 3000 from 8000 in the 80s.

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The supporting races  on cup day have been $20,000 for how many years now? and with them now paying $400 from the total to the also rans I wonder just how much the first 4 stakes have devalued from the first year they ran for 20 grand. Here they are saying that the horse people are happy still running for 20 grand on cup day like they have for so many years even though costs are much higher and that the money is better in Shane Warne's pocket and better spent on promoting the day itself. And we wonder why the breeding numbers have dipped under 3000 from 8000 in the 80s.

 

I also have a problem with the stakes distribution in the Cup itself. I cannot understand how Christen Me picks up $17,500 for running fifth yet the also rans 6th to 15th collect $14,000. Why do tail-enders Pemberton Shard and Pass Them By deserve a stake at all? Pass Them By was beaten 1000m from home in the Cup but collects $14,000 for his feeble effort. This horse is racing poorly, and in my opinion, he and Pemberton Shard should not have got a start in the cup as their form did not warrant a place in such a prestigious field. The way Pass Them By is going in particular he would struggle to run a  place in a conditioned pace with a $10,000 stake.

 

I believe it would be fairer to do away with the losing stakes in the Cup and just reward the first five home. If this was done the Met would have an extra $140,000 to redistribute and increase the stakes in supporting races. 

 

Just a thought.

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From a woman's perspective Shane Warne is overrated & past his use by date.

 

We can see though why he was chosen as the Cricket World Cup is due in Christchurch next year & he is a well-known figure in that sport.

Add to the mix there is likely to be more to the choice of him been here, that of attracting tourists to the cricket & of course the TAB's focus on future "events" that unfortunately once more is not that of our Racing Industry.

 

 

It would have been better for the industry to focus on the wonderful hard working personalities, including the horses themselves as isn't it Racing that the TAB should be supporting first & foremost?

 

Will the Cricket World Cup be reciprocating by having our Harness & Racing industry people & horses on the pitch & been centre-stage when they seek there glory days?

 

Food for thought.

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Laying it on the table now well the iron is hot, how about The World Cup Cricket organizers front up with £70k to real people from our NZ Racing industry to be the star attraction at there days in the sun that are fast looming?

 

Who knows they may even be said to have dated 10 different ladies or men, or both, just because they are there having selfies taken.

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It needs to be disclosed was it the Racing club alone that fronted up with Shane Warne's appearance money & other expenses, or did the TAB also chip in?

If so how much did the TAB contribute that perhaps could have been utilized elsewhere?

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On a related note, is James MacDonald been paid to appear at the A & P Show by our Racing industry?

 

We have our doubts but we are sure his efforts will have a wider appeal to the general public.

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I also have a problem with the stakes distribution in the Cup itself. I cannot understand how Christen Me picks up $17,500 for running fifth yet the also rans 6th to 15th collect $14,000. Why do tail-enders Pemberton Shard and Pass Them By deserve a stake at all? Pass Them By was beaten 1000m from home in the Cup but collects $14,000 for his feeble effort. This horse is racing poorly, and in my opinion, he and Pemberton Shard should not have got a start in the cup as their form did not warrant a place in such a prestigious field. The way Pass Them By is going in particular he would struggle to run a  place in a conditioned pace with a $10,000 stake.

 

I believe it would be fairer to do away with the losing stakes in the Cup and just reward the first five home. If this was done the Met would have an extra $140,000 to redistribute and increase the stakes in supporting races. 

 

Just a thought.

 

Seems this is likely to have a relationship with the acceptance fee. This way they can add the acceptance fee to the stake then give it back. Smoke and mirrors stuff.

 

2012 Example

 

CHRISTCHURCH CASINO NEW ZEALAND CUP

New Zealand Metropolitan Trotting Club Inc.

Addington Raceway

Tuesday 13th November 2012

Stake $600,000 (Includes $300,000 Subsidy from Harness Racing New Zealand)

- Distance 3200 Metres – Standing Start – No Handicaps Apply -

A Group 1 Grand Circuit Race Open to all approved Standardbred Racehorses.

Acceptance Fee: $7,500 + GST

Winner to Receive: $300,000 plus Cup & Dress Rug

Second: $90,000

Third: $60,000

Fourth: $30,000

Fifth: $20,000

All Others Starters: $10,000

 

They could have reduced the total stake to 487,500 and paid "all other starters" 2500 and essentially had the same result.

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Just wondering how much The Met paid Shane Warne to show up today and if they feel they got value for money. He was on the Dias when the best dressed woman was

chosen but didn't say anything. He got a ride in the mobile gate for one race,

apart from that not sure what the point of him being there was

Is it the norm that every package (at what we in Oz would consider Thoroughbred prices) was sold out 

 

http://www.addington.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014-Cup-Day-Hospitality-Booking-Form-291014.pdf

 

I heard he worked his butt off and that the club was very happy with his pulling power.

Anybody got figures to confirm or deny this

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Seems this is likely to have a relationship with the acceptance fee. This way they can add the acceptance fee to the stake then give it back. Smoke and mirrors stuff.

 

2012 Example

 

CHRISTCHURCH CASINO NEW ZEALAND CUP

New Zealand Metropolitan Trotting Club Inc.

Addington Raceway

Tuesday 13th November 2012

Stake $600,000 (Includes $300,000 Subsidy from Harness Racing New Zealand)

- Distance 3200 Metres – Standing Start – No Handicaps Apply -

A Group 1 Grand Circuit Race Open to all approved Standardbred Racehorses.

Acceptance Fee: $7,500 + GST

Winner to Receive: $300,000 plus Cup & Dress Rug

Second: $90,000

Third: $60,000

Fourth: $30,000

Fifth: $20,000

All Others Starters: $10,000

 

They could have reduced the total stake to 487,500 and paid "all other starters" 2500 and essentially had the same result.

2 years ago a C3 stake was $30,000. This year the C2 & 3, C3, C4 & 5, races were only worth $20,000.

As for the stake for the Cup, the acceptance fee was $10,500 + gst or something similar, so that inflates the actual total stake offered (always has).

 

That means those stakes received for 5th to last aren't that flash in the end.

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Is it the norm that every package (at what we in Oz would consider Thoroughbred prices) was sold out 

 

http://www.addington.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014-Cup-Day-Hospitality-Booking-Form-291014.pdf

 

I heard he worked his butt off and that the club was very happy with his pulling power.

Anybody got figures to confirm or deny this

 

The Trot day packages were sold out ,as per usual ,even before Shane Warne was announced as the guest.

There were a number of glossy adverts, Chch magazines and PressAds that made no mention of SWarne.

 

The Fashion side ,dining options and of course Terror To Love chasing 4 wins were widely featured.

 

SWarne now has his own beer label in NZ and is obviously working for ICC World Cup which has just had a big launch in NZ.

Maybe with NZ cricket heroes being implicated in match-fixing it is considered wise to feature a squeaky clean role-model such as SWarne.

 

Plus organisers would remember not so long ago our All Black coach ,had his horse booed ,his car scratched and was spat at on trot cup day !!!

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Some of you guy's need to give yourselves an uppercut- you would probably also all be moaning if they did nothing.....I applaud the club

 

Addington is under great pressure to continue to improve their day as Riccarton have made great strides in improving their Cup Day on the Saturday, and this year Addington have delivered in spades. Huge turnover, fantastic racing and a great crowd which turned up to a well run, fun event that meet the needs of the audience on the day

 

Cup Day's are not  about the regular race goer, it's about corporate sponsorship/ social events/ and once a year race goer. The profits from these days subsidise racing for the rest of the year ( no different than Flemington with their Spring carnival)

 

These days need to constantly evolve, whatever was paid to Warne ( and you guys don't know) it would be a small part of the overall operating budget. They certainly got great main stream media coverage from him, his on course schedule started mid morning and he had roles to do all through to about 6pm. I have heard nothing but great feedback from people I have spoken to that meet him. He also has 1.7 million twitter followers which I am sure has an intangible value for the future.

 

If you are so worried about the wasted spending  perhaps you should contact the club directly....... but that would mean actually fronting with a name- something some of you keyboard warriors wouldn't have the guts to do.

 

As an aside, plenty of critics on racecafe were condemning the KPC ( Kiwi Punters Champs) that Addington launched this year, saying it wouldn't work- well I am there on Friday amongst I am told a full field of 30.....all of whom have paid a $5k entry fee

 

to me that makes the score.....

 

Addington Raceway 2- Nameless Keyboard Warriors 0

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Some of you guy's need to give yourselves an uppercut- you would probably also all be moaning if they did nothing.....I applaud the club

 

Addington is under great pressure to continue to improve their day as Riccarton have made great strides in improving their Cup Day on the Saturday, and this year Addington have delivered in spades. Huge turnover, fantastic racing and a great crowd which turned up to a well run, fun event that meet the needs of the audience on the day

 

Cup Day's are not  about the regular race goer, it's about corporate sponsorship/ social events/ and once a year race goer. The profits from these days subsidise racing for the rest of the year ( no different than Flemington with their Spring carnival)

 

These days need to constantly evolve, whatever was paid to Warne ( and you guys don't know) it would be a small part of the overall operating budget. They certainly got great main stream media coverage from him, his on course schedule started mid morning and he had roles to do all through to about 6pm. I have heard nothing but great feedback from people I have spoken to that meet him. He also has 1.7 million twitter followers which I am sure has an intangible value for the future.

 

If you are so worried about the wasted spending  perhaps you should contact the club directly....... but that would mean actually fronting with a name- something some of you keyboard warriors wouldn't have the guts to do.

 

As an aside, plenty of critics on racecafe were condemning the KPC ( Kiwi Punters Champs) that Addington launched this year, saying it wouldn't work- well I am there on Friday amongst I am told a full field of 30.....all of whom have paid a $5k entry fee

 

to me that makes the score.....

 

Addington Raceway 2- Nameless Keyboard Warriors 0

Good uppercut, second all those comments. All those involved in the organisation of the day need to take a bow and get the credit they deserve for the huge background effort. One of the best run days of the year.

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Cantab Matt

 

So it's okay for the supporting races to continue going down hill stakes wise just as long as they keep up the promotions? The day will come where it will no longer be regarded as the one day of the year to aim for with a nice C2 to C6 trotter or pacer.  

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