rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 M2 R10 Waikato Races Te Rapa CHRISTMAS AT THE RACES R65 1600 Rating 65 Benchmark* (Te Rapa) 1600m $17,500 FF Win 210 FF Place 1210 1 63523 Apachee Taat (6) 59 Brendan Hutton (a3) 2 401x3 Handsome Hermes (7) 58.5 Samantha Collett 3 78x51 Liquid Asset (5) 58 Sam Spratt 4 10x33 Longbeach (11) 58 Cameron Lammas 5 2221. Packing Chaparral (8) 58 Michael Coleman 6 43x12 Marcelle (17) 57 Reese Jones 7 170x2 Rasa Lila (9) 57 Vinnie Colgan 8 4x600 Jimmy Hoffa (12) 57 Shaun McKay (a3) 9 58x1. Roc That (3) 56.5 Josh Oliver (a3) 10 43x10 Mystic Man (13) 56.5 Michelle Wenn 11 51 Puntinato (16) 56 Danielle Johnson 12 5186x Astardia (15) 55 Lynsey Satherley 13 43x59 High Viz (2) 55 Anna Jones (a3) 14 020x7 Tiara (18) 54.5 Lee Magorrian (a3) 15 418 Our Daisy (1) 54 Mark Du Plessis 16 0x693 Mrs Sin (10) 54 Lisa Cropp 17 x3858 Savabella Rose 54 Scratched 18 04x93 Dezignator (4) 55.5 19 027x7 Chipandchase (14) 56.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todamax101 533 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 Just mentioned it on the radio. Four rides. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambling_Kidd 160 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 Good one, she is an outstanding talent and a far better jockey than most now riding. YOU GO GIRL ......... 'Rather have a speeding jockey than a speeding horse ..... unless of course, I know the horse is trucking ............." richie 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overcheck 190 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 Good luck Lisa Cropp. It wont take her long to get to the 1000 wins. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 Good luck Lisa and awesome that she's getting some good rides to kick off.All the best Saturday. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy 475 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 Gee for a second I thought Jason Waddell was making a comeback,but no.Yes Lisa Cropp has done wrong in the past,but certainly no denying her talent in the saddle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 Given the total lack of respect she showed the judicial and racing authorities during her drugs fiasco a few years back she should never be allowed a license in my view. How could anyone be confident that she is a "fit and proper person". ?? sunlineboy and chevy86 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,702 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 Well the parole board are always letting out criminals and judges are always putting criminals on bail.It is called the law. Do the crime do the time and then start over. richie and the shue25 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambling_Kidd 160 Report post Posted November 6, 2014 How could anyone be confident that she is a "fit and proper person". ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 fitzy... I ask you to take an overview of our racing industry as it currently stands. Do you consider those currently responsible for the running of the racing industry to be "fit and proper people"? Do you consider those currently responsible for the maintenance of integrity within the racing industry to be "fit and proper people? I, most certainly, don't. I would trust Ms Cropp before I even considered trusting any of the aforementioned. All the best. Ashoka richie 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 Given the total lack of respect she showed the judicial and racing authorities during her drugs fiasco a few years back she should never be allowed a license in my view. How could anyone be confident that she is a "fit and proper person". ?? . Get over it Lisa has done her time.Fit and proper person haaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa. There would be plenty over the years that would fit that description but have used there position of power to hide the facts from the masses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 Ashoka. 'Trust' is an interesting word. If you can trust someone who put lives at danger whilst riding on meth, then you can trust just about anyone. elbow and fitzy 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 sunlineboy... I am fully aware of the variables inherent in the said equation. You, on the other hand, have no idea as to the reality behind the people I have identified. This is no reflection on you, or others, as it not possible for you, or others, to know what I am referring to. If you had this knowledge, you would understand the meaning behind my posting and, if I may be so bold as to venture this...I believe that you would agree with me. All the best. Ashoka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoKnows 791 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 And none of you have ever stuffed up in your life, give it a rest, give em hell Lisa, class is permanent and you have plenty of it in the saddle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 Ashoka you are entitled to your opinion. In my view however you have created a new definition for "gullible". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 And none of you have ever stuffed up in your life, give it a rest, give em hell Lisa, class is permanent and you have plenty of it in the saddle. I would imagine the vast majority of RC users (no pun intended) haven't 'stuffed up' to the extent that Lisa did. That's a long serving jail sentence in the U.S. BUT, as people have said, time to move on and hope she doesn't revert back to her ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 Is it a coincidence that the RIU announced a couple of weeks ago a step up in their testing regime of jockeys and track work riders? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 Good luck to her.... But lets face it....She did herself no favours with the public, trainers, owners etc after the incident. Those that are now giving here a 2nd, or 3rd...or 5th...I cant keep up....they deserve a medal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trakdap 390 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 well it keeps them in a job Ted, keeps them honest. Good luck to her. I hope she does well. I see cricket is giving that rogue batsman another chance as well. Class prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzy 143 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 It wasn't just the positive drug test, but the delaying tactics and continued spurious appeals to the courts, to allow her to keep riding for 4 years after the initial positive. The rule has since been modified, but at the time NZTR did not have the legal right to withdraw her licence. Nowadays, any jockey under investigation can't continue riding. Fleeced and poorly advised by lawyer Barry Hart, who has since been struck off for grossly over charging another client. I followed the saga with interest, and always found it intriguing that 'gentle influence'(wise counsel so to speak) from some of the more respected members of the racing industry was not exercised, in view of the bad press it was bringing down on the industry. Perhaps it was, perhaps it was a hopeless cause Well said Hesi, my point exactly!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty 575 Report post Posted November 7, 2014 Good Luck Lisa! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,702 Report post Posted November 8, 2014 As you say the appeals and delaying tactics were p.....ing every one off however under the law at that time they were allowed.Won't happen again thats for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 417 Report post Posted November 8, 2014 Given the total lack of respect she showed the judicial and racing authorities during her drugs fiasco a few years back she should never be allowed a license in my view. How could anyone be confident that she is a "fit and proper person". ?? lol respect for the jra umm where was there respect for her they took no responsibility at and never have done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted November 8, 2014 Hesi... It was her ability to see things that weren't there that worried me the most, However, I believe that her conduct at that time was time-specific and not indicative of her usual condition, especially mentally. Further, I feel that the manner is which she was treated, both by the authorities and the media (social media included), was unproffessional and bigoted. Ms Cropp endured an introduction to the racing industry during a time when misogyny was still embraced as a badge of honour among the more witless participants in the racing industry. The price she was forced to pay in order to participate, in the first instance, was unwarranted, in my opinion. She deserves another chance and I really hope that she makes the most of it as her talent is undeniable. All the best. Ashoka puha 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka 1,179 Report post Posted November 8, 2014 Hesi... As a person who closely followed this matter, what comment do you make on the circumstances surrounding the taking of the urine sample in question? Was this an uncontaminated sample? What do you make of the evidence proferred by authority figures, some of which seemed to infer the ability of x-ray vision or the ability to bend light around corners, and the ability to hear soft sound from a material distance? What do you make of the attitude displayed towards Ms Cropp as against the attitude displayed by authorities towards high-profile male miscreants, such as urine-swapping jockeys and lying and cheating NZTR representatives in regard to Horse of the Year honours, a matter of great financial import? Yours is a high horse...please take care when dismounting.as I deeply value your contribution to this Forum. All the best. Ashoka puha 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
