Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 23, 2016 On 8/26/2014 at 10:19 PM, Dopey said: Your observation can be duplicated using per incanto with oreilly mares also. I have done so. Doubles up on try my best in the same pattern . Congratulations Dopey one start one win home in 33.57 Dopey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dopey 214 Report post Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Swynford said: Congratulations Dopey one start one win home in 33.57 Thanks Swynford Its always nice to have a follow up acknowledgement on a breeding effort. I've got the full in turf fires tummy as I like to follow a nice colt up with another. She has a pins filly yearling and pins colt weanling. I'd be interested in what you think of the nearco build up from her and pins ( check out the 2 White hind feet on nogara, turf fire, don Carlo, and also both pins...loving it) to to me Don Carlo is a stronger version of turf fire in type, with all the same colouring. I remind you that you had a hand in that mating post our chat at equidays. Cheers chris. https://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/44678/3/Race-Detail.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 24, 2016 Thanks Chris.. yes I do remember meeting you at the Equidays, Such a shame more thoroughbred people could have been there. I do also remember discussing your mare Turf Fire, but to be honest you as a breeder make the mating decisions so I take my hat off to you, I hope he becomes a Group One winner. and so glad you have another Per Incanto on the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 24, 2016 same theory rosie one 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 24, 2016 think the male line of the mare is the biggest influence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 25, 2016 when looking at pedigrees I always start with the male line of the mare. Use this to inbreed to the brood-mare sires in the stallion. (or their brood-mare sires) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 25, 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 25, 2016 when line breeding most stallions are vulnerable to the brood-mare sires in their female line so choosing a mare that caries theses sires on her male line can increase your chances of producing a Group One winner at least FOUR TIMES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 25, 2016 Years ago some one I used to know who was like Berri a type fanatic said to me he would never inbreed to Mr Prospector because of the bad legs thing. He has been proven so wrong. Love the pedigree below Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey 214 Report post Posted April 26, 2016 18 hours ago, Swynford said: How about ocean park over O'Reilly mares (say turf fire)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey 214 Report post Posted April 26, 2016 18 hours ago, Swynford said: Given O'Reilly's Princequillo connection you can see potentially one reason why the savabeel O'Reilly cross is so potent.?.... Apart from type reasons of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted April 27, 2016 Sorry for not totally answering your question about Turf Fire and Pins. I went about it in a long way, I was trying to explain how I would value the Nearco duplications. Most people that look at pedigrees look at these charts in generation format and quote 5x4x5x5 to say ND or 6x5x5x4x5 or 5Fx6Mx4Mx6F to Nearco or who ever. I don't really subscribe to a build up of a certain horse in certain generations as the key. I look differently at the pedigree. The position is so important. The male lines of the mares and the brood-mare sires in the stallion. The positions that Nearco appears with Turf Fire and Pins is very similar to the pedigrees above. On the male line of the 1st dam and in one of the brood-mare sire positions in the stallion. Native Dancer who appears on the next two dam's male lines shares a 3rd dam with Misty Day, a brood-mare sire in Snippets, so here more a female family line breeding but once again love again love the positions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted May 9, 2016 On 8/27/2014 at 8:48 PM, Swynford said: Had the pleasure of the Waikato Stallion Parades at the weekend just past and must say I enjoyed it immensely. I was impressed with a speech made by Rodney Schick at Windsor Park Stud. He said the All Blacks were statistically the best team in the world and that New Zealanders as a nation, we punched way above our weight, This is not just in the rugby arena but also in thoroughbred breeding and I couldn't agree more. He had traveled the globe and didn't know of any other nation that put so much time and effort into planning mating's like New Zealanders do. Crossing O'Reilly mares with this stallion will give similar pattern to the successful Redoute's Choice /Last Tycoon "nick" or Good Journey /O'Reilly. Not too many good horses around by Thewayyouare but this one stakes placed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted May 10, 2016 Any chance of catching up swynford? Still can't understand your theories so would like to try Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swynford 121 Report post Posted May 10, 2016 Great idea I will be at the sales later this afternoon. 027 357 7072 would have loved to have the opportunity to inspect some weanlings with you but guess it will be a bit late for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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