mmmyb 277 Report post Posted May 31, 2014 Heats tomorrow. Who's going to get through to the final? I like Brando to win the final based on trialling performance and recent 650m win. Little Teegan will strive on the right circuit and will be right in the firing line. Who is everyone else's picks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted May 31, 2014 Heat 1-Cool Pursuit, Thrilling Logic, Jinja Power, Little Teegan. Heat 2-Lochinvar Brando, Deanne's Fantasy, Buddy Broke, Opawa Tania. Heat 1 looks stronger but the contenders for the final should all qualify in both heats. Shame there is only 2 heats, c'mon GRNZ, lets up the prize money for distance races. These are the pinnacle of spectator races and the greatest challenge for trainers. Auckland Oaks-Sassy Road, Stay Young, Just Jordana, Lady Shambi. aquaman 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lad27 404 Report post Posted May 31, 2014 Heat 1-Cool Pursuit, Thrilling Logic, Jinja Power, Little Teegan. Heat 2-Lochinvar Brando, Deanne's Fantasy, Buddy Broke, Opawa Tania. Heat 1 looks stronger but the contenders for the final should all qualify in both heats. Shame there is only 2 heats, c'mon GRNZ, lets up the prize money for distance races. These are the pinnacle of spectator races and the greatest challenge for trainers. Auckland Oaks-Sassy Road, Stay Young, Just Jordana, Lady Shambi. Dusty upping prize money won't help at the moment. The breeding isn't there as sprinters are the breed and butter of most trainers and that's where the breeding went. I'm sure Aquaman has many a story how N.Z. breeding went this way. The last two pups I've bought, one is out of a middle distance bitch and dad is Yella Mustard. The other out of a sprinter which I purely bought on bloodlines with the dad being Surf Lorian. Fingers X these two will be middle distance runners as the pirze money is 20% better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted May 31, 2014 Dusty upping prize money won't help at the moment. The breeding isn't there as sprinters are the breed and butter of most trainers and that's where the breeding went. I'm sure Aquaman has many a story how N.Z. breeding went this way. The last two pups I've bought, one is out of a middle distance bitch and dad is Yella Mustard. The other out of a sprinter which I purely bought on bloodlines with the dad being Surf Lorian. Fingers X these two will be middle distance runners as the pirze money is 20% better. It's the chicken and the egg isn't it. You up the prize money and more people breed stayers. Why do they have so many stayers in Aus? Because the prize money is good partly I bet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernlea25 110 Report post Posted May 31, 2014 Cool Pursuit, Little Teagan, Jinja Power, Alpinador Blushing Belle, Lochinvar Brando, Buddy Broke, Opawa Tania dustydreamnz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted May 31, 2014 Heat #1 Thrilling Logic, Little Teagan, Cool Pursuit, Jinga Power. (Pretty even go for the four, trouble in the first bend?) #1 Track debut, #3 & #6 Out paced. Heat #2 Lochinvar Brando, Deanne's Fantasy, King's Legacy, Jetsun Flame. (Track knowledge could be a key in this one) #1 & #8 Track debut, #5 No track form, #4 Out paced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whataguy 32 Report post Posted June 1, 2014 Opawa Tania wins!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted June 1, 2014 Little Teegan, Cool Pursuit, Jinja Power, Thrilling Logic Opawa Tania, Buddy Broke, Lochinvar Brando, Blushing Belle. Little Teegan looks the far superior stayer in the country at the moment. Super run at Cambridge over 650m and with even luck next Sunday I expect her to be winning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricoded 19 Report post Posted June 1, 2014 Heat 1: 7,8,4,2 Heat 2: 2,3,7,8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Shady 479 Report post Posted June 2, 2014 Well the heats are done and dusted and there was 1/2 length time difference between the 2 heat winners. In my opinion I still favour Brando to win the collar, his front running style can be a problem in these extreme races but I much prefer that style to a dog that settles back and has to rely on a clear passage to make a late run home. Either way I'm looking forward to the final on Sunday and wish all concerned the best of luck....may the best dog win! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted June 2, 2014 Little Teegan for me, i think this dog will back up better. Brandos size is a problem for me,, in that he may not handle two races in a week , where as Teegan will thrive on it. However i may be wrong, and may the best dog win. All the best to all runners. GONSTA and kiwiozpom 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest mouse 469 Report post Posted June 2, 2014 Think Little Teegan too. Arch is such a stickler for distance races, he deserves it. As per usual no advertising or a special field draw. So wish they would dress it up a bit more. After all it is the most prestigious race of the year. GONSTA, dustydreamnz and aquaman 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Think Little Teegan too. Arch is such a stickler for distance races, he deserves it. As per usual no advertising or a special field draw. So wish they would dress it up a bit more. After all it is the most prestigious race of the year. Very little advertising on Trackside this year too, thought they were going in the right direction last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest mouse 469 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Trackside.......... Don't get me started on that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest mouse 469 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Not even a Silver Collar Consolation. And another bugbear of mine, why in heavens name give the unplaced runners $200,-. Should be at least $500,-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 It was always going to be a struggle to get a consolation when half the dogs in the heat are also in the final, but i do agree. modest mouse 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
better be good 17 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 To be honest I didn't have a bet in the heats.Didnt even find the time to watch them. Why? Because your talking about a dozen dogs for such a big pool of money.You want to get people into the sport. Why give such a large stake to a race,Or in fact all distance racing when you are giving it to such a small group of people/dogs ? I can see what they are trying to do but it hasn't worked so why keep pouring it in when its clearly not on the rise? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 To be honest I didn't have a bet in the heats.Didnt even find the time to watch them. Why? Because your talking about a dozen dogs for such a big pool of money.You want to get people into the sport. Why give such a large stake to a race,Or in fact all distance racing when you are giving it to such a small group of people/dogs ? I can see what they are trying to do but it hasn't worked so why keep pouring it in when its clearly not on the rise? What a negative post. If you lower the prize money you will probably get a lesser and lesser field. It's a chicken and egg situation. We need more distance dog breeding and races because that's what the majority of people enjoy. GONSTA, lightice and aquaman 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Distance dogs arent breed, there born. The matter of the fact is, only a rare few dogs are capable of running 700+ no matter how hard you try, your not going to be able to turn a sprinter or most 500m dogs into distance dogs unless your willing to take a risk with them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Distance dogs arent breed, there born. The matter of the fact is, only a rare few dogs are capable of running 700+ no matter how hard you try, your not going to be able to turn a sprinter or most 500m dogs into distance dogs unless your willing to take a risk with them Well there is that but when aiming for a distance dog you're not going to send Bright Star to Sozin's Comet. I know it's not easy but we need to encourage distance breeding. If staying sires are no good then why not send a staying bitch to a middle distance sire? If I was GRNZ stayers would be racing for clearly the most money and we would see more stayers bred I'm sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernlea25 110 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 To be honest I didn't have a bet in the heats.Didnt even find the time to watch them. Why? Because your talking about a dozen dogs for such a big pool of money.You want to get people into the sport. Why give such a large stake to a race,Or in fact all distance racing when you are giving it to such a small group of people/dogs ? I can see what they are trying to do but it hasn't worked so why keep pouring it in when its clearly not on the rise? Whilst I don't agree with everything you've said, you've raised an interesting point. Only 15 dogs entered for the heats was disappointing for me - and some of the dogs in the heats wouldn't have got a start in the past (in my opinion). Why was that? I had a small share in Shining Comet years back who ran in two Silver Collar finals (she was retired after running 3rd in her second Collar final), and I remember the heats being much more competitive with a large number of imports brought in specifically to target the race. I agree you can't really train a dog to run 779m if it doesn't have the natural endurance for it, but surely there are more than 15 dogs in NZ / Australia that could have a realistic crack at the prize-money. Is it no longer viable to import a stayer because there isn't enough distance racing? If that's the case then it's very sad as it is a wonderful spectacle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henery 35 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 You never no what you are going toget with breeding look at thrilling logic out of a speed sprinter now he has been a very handy dog over distance races who would of thought that when they were born that there would be stayers in the litter GONSTA 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breezy 3 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Lynn ran in 3 Collars A fall in her first - winner: McDeeBee 4th in the next - Winner: Rivette Reason 3rd in her final one - Winner : Thrilling May Whilst I don't agree with everything you've said, you've raised an interesting point. Only 15 dogs entered for the heats was disappointing for me - and some of the dogs in the heats wouldn't have got a start in the past (in my opinion). Why was that? I had a small share in Shining Comet years back who ran in two Silver Collar finals (she was retired after running 3rd in her second Collar final), and I remember the heats being much more competitive with a large number of imports brought in specifically to target the race. I agree you can't really train a dog to run 779m if it doesn't have the natural endurance for it, but surely there are more than 15 dogs in NZ / Australia that could have a realistic crack at the prize-money. Is it no longer viable to import a stayer because there isn't enough distance racing? If that's the case then it's very sad as it is a wonderful spectacle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernlea25 110 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Lynn ran in 3 Collars A fall in her first - winner: McDeeBee 4th in the next - Winner: Rivette Reason 3rd in her final one - Winner : Thrilling May Fancy me forgetting that! I'm only 30 and already losing my memory! I remember the first when she fell, that's probably when she was at her best. Drew near the inside, slightly slow away, and flattened going into the first bend. The 3rd in her last ever race was a massive effort - she was great fun to watch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Whilst I don't agree with everything you've said, you've raised an interesting point. Only 15 dogs entered for the heats was disappointing for me - and some of the dogs in the heats wouldn't have got a start in the past (in my opinion). Why was that? I had a small share in Shining Comet years back who ran in two Silver Collar finals (she was retired after running 3rd in her second Collar final), and I remember the heats being much more competitive with a large number of imports brought in specifically to target the race. I agree you can't really train a dog to run 779m if it doesn't have the natural endurance for it, but surely there are more than 15 dogs in NZ / Australia that could have a realistic crack at the prize-money. Is it no longer viable to import a stayer because there isn't enough distance racing? If that's the case then it's very sad as it is a wonderful spectacle. Of course it's disappointing mate but what we need is some positive people who can bring about change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...