hedley 1,900 Report post Posted May 9, 2014 it's not easy., the horse has to sustain the speed'n'balance in the straight run. they have to gallop fast all the way..which is why they run faster than a bending track [centrifuge] ..they are staying sprinters..whom have to do everything right from the jump in order to win. Chestnut 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,839 Report post Posted May 9, 2014 http://www.trentham.co.nz/page/telegraph-handicap-winners.aspx Here you go - showing just how easy it is to run quick times over the 1200 (really?) there. Yeah, and any of those would win this.....shame he has drawn the car park, that's what will beat him most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,906 Report post Posted May 9, 2014 If Natuzzi can beat a field of this nature I will take my proverbial hat off - but at the moment he's at least four lengths off them and keep in mind it's not the strongest Group One field you'll ever see. Can I have a wee wager he gets closer than 4 lengths off the winner??? You wanna have a wee bet??? Chestnut 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,839 Report post Posted May 9, 2014 Raining over there, track Soft at present.....won't harm Natuzzi's chances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBK 10 Report post Posted May 9, 2014 A staying sprinter??? never heard of that saying ever before. pogo(aus) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Can I have a wee wager he gets closer than 4 lengths off the winner??? You wanna have a wee bet??? $20 bet next Sat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 P.S - I said 4 lengths to exaggerate a point, but I'll accept anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 SS, make sure you are glued to the telly at 6pm tomorrow. Bright pink colours and we hope he settles 3 wide with cover (draw dictated) and is 4 lengths off them at the 300, then Mr CWJ will weave across heels (without momentum loss) and put him in the clear at the 50 then it is game over - except for the Bookies who will be looking at the bottom of the bag. Then on Off The Rails on Sunday nite there will be rapturous applause for you know who and the brilliant ride - all in a days work PS Your place bet is a goody - what colour are place tickets? Never bought one in my life - all about confidence SS - enjoy And Natuzii finished where Turny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 About 8th Helmut Magnificent effort - super ride, knocked over twice - 450 and 240 out - peaked at the 120 - good effort Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Horse not good enough today..... But that was a fantastic ride by CJ.....gave horse every chance, even from the draw. Aaron Bidlake 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Super ride, settled well back, pushed thru 3 gaps (one didn't exist) 4 lengths off them turning in, two gaps closed _ knocked over once - got into the clear then peaked - given every show, super ride Aaron Bidlake 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrofold 147 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 He was never in with a chance from that barrier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 He was never in with a chance from that barrier. Did you see the race? Couldn't blame the draw. Had a great run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrofold 147 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Porfolio IF that is your idea of a great run, I would hate to see what you think isn't. Mind you from that barrier, I would not have expected anything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portfolio 728 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Porfolio IF that is your idea of a great run, I would hate to see what you think isn't. Mind you from that barrier, I would not have expected anything else. Considering the draw...it did have a great run. Horse didn't run on, looked on the turn that it might wind up, but only battled. Didn't cover any extra ground.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Didn't cover any ground but was never put in a position to win the race. Is that want you want in a $500,000 race? That's my opinion of course - I have always preferred aggressive riders like James McDonald, Nash etc etc... I hate seeing good horses go to waste because the jockey sat on it. They are large animals who can actually push each other around. Also - saying it was a great ride, but also saying the gaps closed and it got knocked over. Doesn't that contradict a good ride? Surely a good ride would be to put a horse clear of any trouble? "Yeah, he went for a gap and almost fell, but the ride was perfect"... I don't want to see another 'blocked for a run' in Natuzzi's form guide again... there is no excuse for it time and time again. I understand that Johnson is a hands and heels rider who doesn't take risks, but surely you'd like some aggression, especially in a G1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the shue25 145 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 you cant carry them,Wasnt going good enough at any stage to really threaten anyway.Cant blame johnson,the guy has ridden nearly 2000 winners,so he must know how to steer them by now,Not a very nice comment by sunshine,obviously spekaing through pocket Turny 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogo(aus) 876 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 A staying sprinter??? never heard of that saying ever before. they are unique to new zealand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Try Show Gate for one Pogo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zelda kratchanova 2 501 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 ignore the idoit rdytdy everyone knows it is only soon before NZ domianate the sprinting here in (aus) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Exactly MZ, just as the OZ breds dominate the staying races. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zelda kratchanova 2 501 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Exactly MZ, just as the OZ breds dominate the staying races. hahah a very funny man rdytdyty , you know that the euopeans are dominionating almost every staying :wub: races here now too dont you, amazing to see once we had great stayers like pirate bird, scotch and dry, tails, then you had oopik , bamlerino etc , BUT now they all come form france, ireland, england ect. thats why i can see you breeding all your 2 and 3 mile mares to australian speed horses. top idea Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted May 11, 2014 you cant carry them,Wasnt going good enough at any stage to really threaten anyway.Cant blame johnson,the guy has ridden nearly 2000 winners,so he must know how to steer them by now,Not a very nice comment by sunshine,obviously spekaing through pocket I had a bet with Scooby that it wouldn't get within four lengths. I know how many winners he has ridden and I don't doubt his ability, I just don't like his style and I'm allowed to. What I don't get is all this 'great ride, blah blah' when the horse finished 8th..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Vivian 742 Report post Posted May 11, 2014 I don't think the track conditions were a great assist to Natuzzi either. He's clearly capable of running a slick time and like a number of them in that field, would have preferred a firmer surface. He may not be up to them, but I wouldn't say it just yet, based on that run alone. Is Smoking Joey quicker than Dreifontein, Miracles of Life et al who finished many lengths from him yesterday? I think not. SJ certainly loved the conditions and ran 'out of his skin' - but the abject failure to handle the track by many of the more favoured runners makes it hard to assess their relative abilities.... Centrofold 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunlineboy 131 Report post Posted May 11, 2014 Smoking Joey did towel a few fair types last spring... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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