johndoe 7 Report post Posted May 9, 2014 Stewards say they SUSPECTED the dog turned its head. So its pretty much a guessing game when it comes to putting a dog out where there is no cameras available to prove it. Very Interesting Indeed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkrock 127 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 sorry Josh , you always post very sensibly but this time you need to take your blinkers , and maybe give them to the Butcha to wear. He got away with last time but surely not this time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkrock 127 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Or maybe he could lend them to night pearl? Glass houses tony my friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 A lot depends who knows who. I have a neutral view and have no doubt he was checking out My Squizzy. The stipes made an error of judgement and I believe the Butcha will make them look stupid in upcoming runs. Fernlea25 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
it's a ballroom 174 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lightice 10 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Come on guys get out and experience the world don't just spend your like crying on racecafe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 This forum is for discussing racing and non chasing matters. If you don't like it the topic, don't contribute. modest mouse, GONSTA, gary1 and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
POPA GAS 73 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 Or maybe he could lend them to night pearl? Glass houses tony my friend. Well you were there catching the Butcha and you saw him just like me, go for number one dog, when 4 got in front he then went after him. As for Night Pearl if she had a driver, you would say bloody good drive. Bev dustydreamnz, it's a ballroom and jasonmccook1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1 361 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 I don't think I've ever seen a post this long dedicated to one dog!! Did he turn his head? Didn't he turn his head? Was he chasing properly? Blah blah blah!Lets concentrate on facts! The dog was wide on the first turn! Fact) the dog went for a gap between two other dogs!fact( only the dog knows if he had room to get through at the speed he was going!fact( the winner of the race got a perfect rails run and there after was all ways going to win!!fact( every dog has a off day!! Well done ray Adcock on getting two dogs from the same litter into the final. another intelligent assumption Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 A lot depends who knows who. I have a neutral view and have no doubt he was checking out My Squizzy. The stipes made an error of judgement and I believe the Butcha will make them look stupid in upcoming runs. I backed Andrea, and luckily for me i think the Butcher had a butchers hook at Squizzy on the first bend. Allowed Andrea to have a dream trip underneath. Thanks Butcher, thanks Stipes. happy and dustydreamnz 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 I love it that the only people who can back this dog are connections, im still not 100% sure whether or not he faught or turned his head on friday night, but i do not think he should be getting benifit of the doubt after the previous start before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted May 10, 2014 I have seen the stipes give the benefit of the doubt to hundreds of dogs where it's obvious a dog has turned their head. Why do they do this? I'm not sure but it happens regularly if you watch greyhound racing closely. Jack's a Jewel has been put out once or twice but could have been atleast 15 times if the stipes were concentrating. Even his trainer was talking on Trackside saying, 'He's not the hardest chaser'. Fernlea25 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted May 11, 2014 It is rubbish that dogs can get off with it, especially in big races like the derby or futurity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Symes 124 Report post Posted May 11, 2014 Maybe the stripes think, that if they put all the fighting and non-chasing mutts out there wouldn't be enough dogs left to hold race meeting's alltheway!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmissile 409 Report post Posted May 11, 2014 Well as a former employee of Gary Harding I will assumed to be biased, but I find it would be hard to put out the Butcha on his run at Wanganui. As has been stated already, there are a lot more dogs out there that have been a lot more obvious than the Butcha and nothing reported, the fact it was a big race heat should have nothing to do with it. I'm not saying there are serious chasing issues at the moment but there was nothing really obvious you could put him out for. There are a lot more dogs that should be put out, especially at These low grade meetings for unsatisfactory performances, the amount of times we see in the Stipes report that a dog is tailed off all the way, vetted and cleared of any injury, only to turn up week to week doing the same thing is absurd and they don't get condemned the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernlea25 110 Report post Posted May 11, 2014 I thought Butcha was less than genuine on Friday night. There was enough room to drive a bus through underneath My Squizzy, and Butcha has shown an ability to rail underneath through much smaller gaps during his earlier racing days. My immediate reaction watching it live was that he wasn't chasing. Andrea railed through and took the lead at virtually the same time that Butcha was having a look at My Squizzy, and then set off after Andrea which made is less obvious than it may otherwise have been. The fact Butcha ended up in between My Squizzy and Andrea has led some on here to suggest that he simply ran out of room - I don't agree. Andrea was behind both of the other dogs and there was ample opportunity for Butcha to rail through to the lead if he were chasing hard. Agree that the size / importance of the race shouldn't be important, and that there are plenty of serial offenders around, but that doesn't make it okay, just means that the Stipes need to grow a set and start being tougher. Butcha is chasing other dogs, not the lure. I'm not an expert on greyhounds but I watch a lot of racing and I wonder if he's not quite right - especially the way he swung wide on the last corner. If dogs continue to be allowed to race after not pursuing the lure without penalty then it just makes dog racing look like a fiasco. grandad47, bblunt and dustydreamnz 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmissile 409 Report post Posted May 11, 2014 It also depends on the stipe you happen to have to deal with on the night and to a certain extent who you happen to be (unfortunately), after past dealings with some of the C.D stipes I would have little faith in a true and fair reading of some races and decisions dustydreamnz and Jabba2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogrug 53 Report post Posted May 12, 2014 He is as dodgy as they come at Wanganui. I bet the asstute trainer will not line him up at Wangas ever again. PS>But I hope they do! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandad47 48 Report post Posted May 14, 2014 Fernlea 25. This post is in my view factual, accurate and objective. There is little doubt in my mind that the present system of trying to find worthy and competitive fields for group racing is a shambles and very unfair. group finals should be the pinnacle of any racing but under the present system fields are selected from the bottom up instead of from the top down. Unfortunately the number of nominations can result in up to eight heats where only the winners go forward to the final. Fields can result in a number of higher graded dogs mixed up with a mishmash of maidens, sprinters and out of form dogs as was the case in the recent NZ Oaks. Many high class bitches deserved but were denied a chance of making the final. You cannot blame the connections as they are simply taking advantage of race conditions. Greyhound Racing NZ should not persist with this outdated policy. Heats and semi finals would ensure a final worthy of group status and avoid the current controversy. It is not a good look when we are trying to attract new participants to the sport. Come on Grehound NZ - show some leadership. That is what you are there for. Thank you. Ray Amer. GONSTA, aquaman and bblunt 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted May 14, 2014 Fernlea 25. This post is in my view factual, accurate and objective. There is little doubt in my mind that the present system of trying to find worthy and competitive fields for group racing is a shambles and very unfair. group finals should be the pinnacle of any racing but under the present system fields are selected from the bottom up instead of from the top down. Unfortunately the number of nominations can result in up to eight heats where only the winners go forward to the final. Fields can result in a number of higher graded dogs mixed up with a mishmash of maidens, sprinters and out of form dogs as was the case in the recent NZ Oaks. Many high class bitches deserved but were denied a chance of making the final. You cannot blame the connections as they are simply taking advantage of race conditions. Greyhound Racing NZ should not persist with this outdated policy. Heats and semi finals would ensure a final worthy of group status and avoid the current controversy. It is not a good look when we are trying to attract new participants to the sport. Come on Grehound NZ - show some leadership. That is what you are there for. Thank you. Ray Amer. There are some races that do have semi finals(I couldn't name them) and I agree, they are a fairer format as well as being more entertaining. Congratulations Ray on your win with Blue Review yesterday at Otago, looks like you might have a topliner. grandad47 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted May 14, 2014 Ray, I think a little bit different , I believe classic age races ie ( derby, oaks, futurity ect ) should be heats ,semis and finals ,simply because you could have a late maturer that is worthy of being there , by doing this you take out the bad luck in my mind....now nz cup . and Auckland cup and all group one races outside classic age races should be for c5 dogs with c4's making up the balance ,as trainers you know well in advance these races are coming up c2 and 3 should not be there even under the rules , it does not say open grade it clearly states c5 . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernlea25 110 Report post Posted May 14, 2014 What is the rule regarding classic age races? Every dog nominated must get a start? We do seem to have a large number of these races with incomplete fields - vacant boxes or no emergencies. The heats / final series that I don't like the format of is the Waterloo Cup. This is one of our premier races, and with dog racing being such a "dogs for courses" sport, I think it takes away from the event when there are often dogs in the final who don't race well at Auckland. I've seen in recent years dogs qualify for the final who've had multiple runs at Manakau without even managing to run a place - but have qualified because they go good around Addington, or Cambridge, or Forbury. I think that heats and finals for all races should be run on the same track. Peter R S, Slim Shady and aquaman 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi 782 Report post Posted May 14, 2014 What is the rule regarding classic age races? Every dog nominated must get a start? We do seem to have a large number of these races with incomplete fields - vacant boxes or no emergencies. If every dog must get a start, how could you have an emergency? Shouldn't the #9 or #10 dog get a start without a prior scratching? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernlea25 110 Report post Posted May 14, 2014 Yes, you're exactly right - it was a silly thing for me to say. I guess the point I was trying to make was that the fields are often less than 8 because any scratchings result in an incomplete field rather than an emergency getting a run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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