GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 Just read the stipes report from last nights racing and am shocked the Wanganui club decided to put the 3 third place getters and 3 4th placed dogs into a cup to draw names to make up the Wanganui cup final. Heat 1- no time avalible but 3rd place getter was 6L from the winner. Heat 2- 30.28 ( 3rd place getter ran about 30.42 ) Heat 3- 29.91 ( 3rd place getter ran roughly 30.06 ) Now surely in this modern day the Wanganui club is not that thick that they need to draw names out of a hat? Or am i missing something here? Surely with technology these days there is a POSSIBLE way to get an accurate time recorded for that race. Their are people that have been doing sectionals for over 10+ years ( eg Neil Davis ) and i guarantee he would be able to give an accurate time for that heat rather than having to draw names out of a cup. IF i was in Luke Phillips situation and if in fact Finn McMissile does miss out on a place in the final then that is an absolute shambles and Luke Phillips has every right to feel aggrieved. I see they have opened an inquiry into his alleged offensive language towards office staff. I look forward to hearing the facts from what really went on on-course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedley 1,900 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 ..you'll get a release on whatever apparency they want to frank as 'thuh facts'., ..same as Brian~MARTIN got GONSTA and modest mouse 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman 1,352 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 Yes, Brian Martin, shafted by his colleagues, and now Greyhound racing is the poorer. No offence to the present CD caller, Dave i think is the name. He's on a hiding to nothing trying to fill the shoe's of without a doubt, NZ's No 1 Greyhound commentator bar none. How long will Dave last before he to is put to the sword by the conspirators waiting in the wings?. To ReillyM. You will find under the NZGRA rules that when a QUALIFYING RACE is marred like last night and in the absence of a rerun then the placings can be determined by drawing out of a hat. Sometimes this is the only fair way of doing it especially if there is time restraints such as determining the final field for publications and such. I know its very low tech, but it avoids a lot of argument. Hall 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall 147 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 John CD Commentators name is Darryl Robinson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 Happened last year at Wanganui in Futurity heats aswell, not good enough. Daryll Robinson sounded out of his depth last night. Personally I found it quite painful listening to him blabbering on about how hard it is before every race for about 30 seconds, just get on with it and do your best! Maybe that's why they are looking for a C.D commentator. I heard on trackside once he doesn't even use binoculars? Sounded strange. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 On a positive note, how good is Glen Quirk's team going? Has done a remarkable job with Hypotential the last few months and for him to run 29.91 last night was super. Llamedos has been one of the most improved dog's the last month aswell. Certainly can improve a dog G Quirk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmissile 409 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 The fact is they have the times of 2 of the 3 third placed runners and my dog was CLEARLY faster, common sense would think I would have gone through to the final and the other 2 third placegetters get drawn out of this "hat". But I'm just a small fry trainer so not holding my breath, but have taken legal advice GONSTA, modest mouse, whataguy and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydreamnz 493 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 On a positive note, how good is Glen Quirk's team going? Has done a remarkable job with Hypotential the last few months and for him to run 29.91 last night was super. Llamedos has been one of the most improved dog's the last month aswell. Certainly can improve a dog G Quirk. Yeah, I looked up Glen Quirk's strike rate and thought it would be better, maybe he's taken on a lot of poor dogs that struggle to improve. I agree, the commentators just have to do their best. Dave McDonald down south is a reasonable caller but always sounds unsure of his selections eg. I should have put 'such and such' higher. I find Daryl's tips good although he overrates Mc Inerney chances. Like Aquaman says the guy is on a hiding to nothing and I think he's doing a good job overall. Trev doesn't use binoculars, look where that gets you. People have got to be careful what they say(and how they say it). A while back someone was banned from the game for a year for similar. Small trainers and large trainers should be treated the same way though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merv o brien 152 Report post Posted July 12, 2013 How is it that the Greyhounds NZ or the Stipendiary Control Authority always seem to employ absolute Fuck Wits in positions that make simple decisions become a bloody nightmare.. Under what rule did this turkey of a stipe decide to draw the runners from a hat, correct me if im wrong but i dont think theres any rule or policy regarding this issue.. In this day and age it would very easy to get a clear indication off the TAB master tape in there mobile van to get within reason what time they roughly went or just use the .066 rule = 1 Length Looking at the margins in the 1ST Heat== the 3rd placegetter being 5.9 lengths from the winner and then you use the .066 equals 1 length which is in the rule book then you look at the 3rd heat the winner goes 29.91 and the 3rd placegetter is 2.6 lengths behind then going on that rule of .066 then Finn Mcmissle went 30.081.. So that means that the 3rd runner in the 1st heat would have had to run a time of 29.86 So going on those times and the margins between the two 3rds then the 1st heat would have had to have run a time winning time of 29.4706 Somehow i dont think so.. Like i said earlier there dosnt appear to be any rule or policy within the current rule book regarding drawing out of a hat.. Common sense dosnt appear to be a criteria in being a Stipe.. Maybe it time they looked very hard at who they employ in future as ex cops obviously dont cut it.. Fulton @ Hogan s looking for a stop go position in the Manawatu Gorge. hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest mouse 469 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 Careful Merv, you might cop it in the neck, but I do agree with you. Given the murder of the stop-go person at Tokoroa not so long ago, I feel you should retract this sentence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest mouse 469 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 Sorry should read "last sentence" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 If I ask me, it sounds like your just wining because yo didn't get your own way, and say they automatically put your dog through, that's unfair on the third place getter in the first heat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 If I ask me, it sounds like your just wining because yo didn't get your own way, and say they automatically put your dog through, that's unfair on the third place getter in the first heat Use your brain. 3 heats, first 2 in each go automatically through to the final. The next 2 spots are decided by the 2 fastest third place getters, which Finn McMissile DEFINITELY was one of them. IMO if they couldn't use the common sense approach and get a race time off the replay, then i agree Finn McMissile should have automatically been in the field and the other spot drawn out of the other 2 third place getters. The dog that lost that draw would then be first emergency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 YoU can't prove that can you though, and video replays time cannot be accurate because there's ussually a few second delay, so stop wining about it and get over it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmissile 409 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 And I can't prove you are a degenerate but there you go! I'm not saying I'm a hope in hell in the final but my boy deserves to be there nevertheless regardless of rules which obviously need some tweeking to take into common sense ... modest mouse, richie, sarahmcl and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONSTA 1,148 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 YoU can't prove that can you though, and video replays time cannot be accurate because there's ussually a few second delay, so stop wining about it and get over it What are you on about? The times taken from the last 2 heats prove that Finn McMissile was one of the fastest thirds REGARDLESS of the first race time. I also disagree that video replays usually have a few second delay... With technology these days and with certain 'sectional specialists' such as Neil Davis who provides 200M/600M splits in the thoroughbreds. Are you telling me that you think most of his information is usually out by a few seconds? Get real buddy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 All I'm saying is the right decision was made at the time. What I want to know is how does a bit of fog effect the time in this one race, but not any others after? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack 488 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 Use your brain. 3 heats, first 2 in each go automatically through to the final. The next 2 spots are decided by the 2 fastest third place getters, which Finn McMissile DEFINITELY was one of them. YoU can't prove that can you though Just to expand this (because it took me a second to click too), we know for sure that Finn McMissile was one of the two fastest thirds because he was faster than the third dog from the second heat. Because he was faster than at least one other third-placegetter we know Finn McMissile definitely wasn't the slowest third-placegetter, therefore he was definitely one of the fastest two, therefore he should be in the final. John CD Commentators name is Darryl Robinson. Yep. Though I've heard that Dave MacAuley is a good racecaller, so maybe there's the confusion. hedley, GONSTA and sarahmcl 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahmcl 69 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 logic is one thing that NZGRA are not well equipped with. If Finn misses the opportunity then it will be very disappointing. So when is the draw done?? Jason McCook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmissile 409 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 All I was told when I picked my papers up 15 mins after the race was that he was first emergency .."they" (whoever they were) must of done this mystery drawing from the "hat" as soon as they passed the post..have contacted 3 different people from the greyhound association since yesterday, all who have promised to ring me back today and yet to hear from anyone...If they think this "nobody" trainer is going away quietly they have another think coming ... richie, whataguy and hedley 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merv o brien 152 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 I stuffed up earlier as i hadnt mentioned about the 2nd heat. The winner went 30.28 and the 3rd placegetter was 1.9 lengths from the winner ,so that means that the 3rd dog in that heat went a time of 30.41 as against Finn Mcmissles time of 30.08. so the difference between the two heats that were timed is 0.33 which equates to Finn Mcmissle going 5 lengths quicker than the 3rd dog in heat 2. Why the hell would you put him into a draw when hes gone 5 lengths quicker than heat 2 and your only needing 2 fastest 3rds to make up the final hedley 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 I'm sure sulking on the net will solve your problems, I can see where you are coming from, but the stipe made the final decision, so there is not much else you can do except ask for a redraw, which I highly dought will happen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest mouse 469 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 It's a mystery to me Luke, why you were not notified before the "draw". And don't ever call yourself a "nobody" trainer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ate 20 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 After your actions you mite get put away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alltheway!!! 640 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 Yea, I heard you were pretty bad the other night, they may've listened to if you didn't get so abusive the other night Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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