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Waikato Draught Sprint (group I)

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Nominations

HORSE TRAINER AGE SEX RATING WEIGHT

O'Cartier John & Karen Parsons, Balcairn 6 Gelding 108 59.0

Mufhasa Stephen McKee, Ardmore 5 Gelding 107 59.0

Tavistock Andrew Campbell, Opaki 4 Horse 104 59.0

Veloz Robyn & Russell Rogers, Cambridge 6 Gelding 103 59.0

Vonusti Tim & Margaret Carter, Cambridge 5 Gelding 103 59.0

Ruud Van Slaats John Sargent, Matamata 5 Mare 101 57.0

Ekstreme Bryce Revell, New Plymouth 4 Mare 100 57.0

Alpha Pukeko (AUS) Wayne Jones, Hawera 5 Gelding 99 59.0

Keano Danny O'Brien, Flemington 4 Horse 99 59.0

Kiloton (AUS) John Sargent, Matamata 6 Horse 99 59.0

Arlington (AUS) Graeme & Debbie Rogerson, Tuhikaramea 5 Horse 94 59.0

Wealth Princess Brent Gillovic, Te Awamutu 4 Mare 93 57.0

Kaaptan Stephen McKee, Ardmore 3 Gelding 80 55.5

13 Nominations

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not sure but would i be wrong in saying it has been a while since a southern horse has been the highest rated in a group one sprint in nz

Just go to show what the current handicapper thinks of SI form :D

ps... it does seem abit strange what with him only winning a couple of G3... a 4th in a G2 and a couple of unplaced runs in two G1's for $300k v's say Mufhasa with his 2 G1 wins and 3 other placings in G1 and a G2 all for $1.2m, does that make sense??? I guess that all those unplaced runs by Muf lost him many rating points....:confused:

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# FORM HORSE DRAW RTG WGT JOCKEY TRAINER

1 54115 O'Cartier 3 108 59.0 John & Karen Parsons, Balcairn

2 09098 Mufhasa 4 107 59.0 Sam Spratt Stephen McKee, Ardmore

3 8X102 Tavistock 11 104 59.0 Jason Waddell Andrew Campbell, Opaki

4 21230 Veloz 9 103 59.0 Robyn & Russell Rogers, Cambridge

5 52611 Vonusti 7 103 59.0 Noel Harris Tim & Margaret Carter, Cambridge

6 1210X Alpha Pukeko (AUS) 13 99 59.0 Wayne Jones, Hawera

7 30175 Keano 10 99 59.0 Mark Du Plessis Danny O'Brien, Flemington

8 39644 Kiloton (AUS) 1 99 59.0 Michael Coleman John Sargent, Matamata

9 08911 Arlington (AUS) 2 94 59.0 Graeme & Debbie Rogerson, Tuhikaramea

10 02400 Ruud Van Slaats 8 101 57.0 James McDonald (a) John Sargent, Matamata

11 26110 Ekstreme 6 100 57.0 Hayden Tinsley Bryce Revell, New Plymouth

12 11116 Wealth Princess 12 93 57.0 Brent Gillovic, Te Awamutu

13 86019 Kaaptan 5 80 55.5 Michael Walker Stephen McKee, Ardmore

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Just go to show what the current handicapper thinks of SI form :D

ps... it does seem abit strange what with him only winning a couple of G3... a 4th in a G2 and a couple of unplaced runs in two G1's for $300k v's say Mufhasa with his 2 G1 wins and 3 other placings in G1 and a G2 all for $1.2m, does that make sense??? I guess that all those unplaced runs by Muf lost him many rating points....:confused:

Agreed!

Makes an 'ass' of the ratings system in my book..Must REALLY grate the owners of O'Cartier that the only time they get any respect for their horse is by the handicapper! And Muphasa only needs a good track to bounce back big-time on Saturday..will he get it???

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Agreed!

Makes an 'ass' of the ratings system in my book..Must REALLY grate the owners of O'Cartier that the only time they get any respect for their horse is by the handicapper! And Muphasa only needs a good track to bounce back big-time on Saturday..will he get it???

Do people think that O'Cartier has been unfairly weighted?

Or

Do people think that Mufhasa should be rated higher than O'Cartier purely on his group one wins?

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I think its everyones opinion that Mufhasa is the far superior horse but the ratings dont show that.

Im sure there will be some who disagree though.

SS?

Would you like to put your money where your mouth is lad and have a little $20 wager that O'Cartier will finish in front of Mufhasa on Saturday ?

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Do people think that O'Cartier has been unfairly weighted?

Or

Do people think that Mufhasa should be rated higher than O'Cartier purely on his group one wins?

It's a weight for age event, not a handicap, so the handicapper has no say in the weights. Unfair doesn't come into this one.

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It's a weight for age event, not a handicap, so the handicapper has no say in the weights. Unfair doesn't come into this one.

So, it is the one point in the ratings that has some people miffed?

So how does the rating system work? Is it so many points per win or place in any race that gains rating points? That is O'Cartier has had more wins than Mufhasa, so therefore he is higher rated?

Mufhasa will be better placed in this race, for sure ;)

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12 $3.00 Wealth Princess (12)57

2 $5.50 Mufhasa (4)59

5 $5.50 Vonusti (7)59

3 $9.00 Tavistock (11)59

11 $11.00 Ekstreme (6)57

7 $14.00 Keano (10)59

8 $16.00 Kiloton (1)59

1 $21.00 O'Cartier (3)59

9 $21.00 Arlington (2)59

10 $21.00 Ruud Van Slaats (8)57

13 $21.00 Kaaptan (5)55.5

4 $26.00 Veloz (9)59

6 $41.00 Alpha Pukeko (13)59

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.....didn't see some early races but latter races there were several horses finishing hard wide out and taking the medals , while those on fence looked tied to it .

Seemed to be top coming off fence , but dust wider out.

Even Mufhasa who trailled made his run out several metres.

But it was the horses out wide getting the Chocolates.....Elbaz , VB , Tavis , WP , and that last roughie.

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:cocktail::beer:

..t'was to be expected though., dead kind lead-up track-prep during the week..was 'curing off' just nicely for raceday, but 10mls o'rain overnight saw a Dead 4 posted @6:40.a.m., and i'd guess about 10:00.a.m., it was Upgraded to Good 3,..but then one shower-bout late in the morning i think it was...then another between races early in the card?...of which i'm pretty sure i heard GeorgeESS say it wouldn't affect the track...which of course, makes No sense at all given the context lead-up'n'pan!

..what Georgie was probably trying to intimate..but found the words impossible to 'gift' to the great clientel, was that the rain just had., wouldn't result / wasn't enough to warrant any downgrade in condition grading., . .this was the commonly heard from commentators..'public speak'...that racing suits have evercommissioned to alay 'those public's' faiths..that the investment chassis is reliable to Invest upon et al.

..hope that helps a busy fella ;)

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Stake: $200,000 Track: GOOD3 Weather: OVERCAST

#

Name

Jockey/Driver/Trainer

Win

Place

3 Tavistock Jason Waddell 8.00 2.70

12 Wealth Princess Leith Innes 1.60

2 Mufhasa Sam Spratt 1.90

Bet Type

Runners

Dividend

Quinella 3, 12 12.80

Trifecta 3:12:2 176.90

ALSO RAN:

10-Ruud Van Slaats-James McDonald (a)(2L),

1-O'Cartier-Chris Johnson(2.6L),

11-Ekstreme-Hayden Tinsley(3.9L),

7-Keano-Mark Du Plessis(4.4L),

8-Kiloton-Michael Coleman(4.7L),

5-Vonusti-Noel Harris(5.1L),

9-Arlington-Trudy Thornton(7.1L),

13-Kaaptan-Michael Walker(9.1L),

4-Veloz-Mark Hills(10.9L),

6-Alpha Pukeko-Andrew Calder(14L).

Note: Numbers shown are the distance from winner in lengths.

Winning Margins: Nk, 1-1/4L, Sht nk

Owners: C D Allison, C V & J A Barnao, T G Heptinstall, B W Honeybon

Trainer: Andrew Campbell, Opaki

Breeding: 4 h Montjeu (IRE)-Upstage (GB)

Scratched: All Start

SUB: 12

Winners Time: 1:21.30

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he proved he is in the running for horse of the year and must be rate as a top sire prospect for the future.

his run had to be seen to be believed, he was last on the home turn.

i cant wait to see him back in aussie to beat them there.

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