The $76,000,000 Race

[Bruce M]

The All Aged Stakes in Sydney this afternoon has thirteen starters who have won A$76 million between them. The lowest earner Beiwacht has only won A$1.2 million while the highest Giga Kick has won A$15.5 million.

Interestingly Half Yours who won last year's Caulfield and Melbourne Cups has ONLY won A$9.3 million which shows the much higher earning potential of sprinters over stayers these days.

[scooby3051]

Geez how unlucky was Angel Capital....climbing over them.

[scooby3051]

 

[We're Doomed]

1 hour ago, Bruce M said:

The All Aged Stakes in Sydney this afternoon has thirteen starters who have won A$76 million between them. The lowest earner Beiwacht has only won A$1.2 million while the highest Giga Kick has won A$15.5 million.

Interestingly Half Yours who won last year's Caulfield and Melbourne Cups has ONLY won A$9.3 million which shows the much higher earning potential of sprinters over stayers these days.

I struggle with some of your logic there. It was a sprint race so the sprinters in the race would obviously have won more than the stayer in the race who was using it as a warm up.. Half Yours was clearly third highest earner in the race, just behind Fangirl who has won quite a bit of her money beyond sprint distances.

Also remember that 5 or 6 in that field had started in Everests, where you get decent money for running last.  Also worth noting that Everest runners are shown as earning a certain stake but in actual fact half of the stakes goes to the slot holder. So the earnings of all slot runners are inflated.

[stodge]

Just watched the race - not one of James McDonald's finest hours perhaps though not sure what else he could have done. 

Would ANGEL CAPITAL have won with a clear run? Hard to think he wouldn't have been close.

It's a race like this which shows one of the big differences between Aussie and UK racing - the notion a 3200m winner would turn up in a 1400m race - up here, any trainer doing that would be considered mad.

Argue it the other way round - would you run a 1400m horse in a Melbourne Cup?

This seems to me to be the way it's done - it's a different way, up here a stayer (3200m) might run in a 2400m race but that's as short as it would be. The European stayer just couldn't go the 1400m gallop and while they might be running on at the end, they'd have no chance at Group 1 level at the shorter trip.

[Ned Kelly]

3 minutes ago, stodge said:

Just watched the race - not one of James McDonald's finest hours perhaps though not sure what else he could have done. 

Would ANGEL CAPITAL have won with a clear run? Hard to think he wouldn't have been close.

It's a race like this which shows one of the big differences between Aussie and UK racing - the notion a 3200m winner would turn up in a 1400m race - up here, any trainer doing that would be considered mad.

Argue it the other way round - would you run a 1400m horse in a Melbourne Cup?

This seems to me to be the way it's done - it's a different way, up here a stayer (3200m) might run in a 2400m race but that's as short as it would be. The European stayer just couldn't go the 1400m gallop and while they might be running on at the end, they'd have no chance at Group 1 level at the shorter trip.

Thought it was a good race from half yours. As you said certainly not his distance but he had a couple of really nice ones behind him 

[stodge]

14 minutes ago, Ned Kelly said:

Thought it was a good race from half yours. As you said certainly not his distance but he had a couple of really nice ones behind him 

Yes but the bit I don't understand is why he would be run at this trip. Is it because there aren't the races over further?

In the UK, we have plenty of races at 2400m or further for the stayers -the John Porter today, the Sagaro at Ascot next week, the Jockey Club Stakes in a couple of weeks, the Ormonde at Chester, the Yorkshire Cup, all pattern races at 2400m or further in the next month and I'm sure I've missed a couple. 

[Bimbo]

3 hours ago, stodge said:

Yes but the bit I don't understand is why he would be run at this trip. Is it because there aren't the races over further?

In the UK, we have plenty of races at 2400m or further for the stayers -the John Porter today, the Sagaro at Ascot next week, the Jockey Club Stakes in a couple of weeks, the Ormonde at Chester, the Yorkshire Cup, all pattern races at 2400m or further in the next month and I'm sure I've missed a couple. 

Very few trainers down under could train a horse to run in a 2400 metre race first up.

[Bimbo]

3 hours ago, stodge said:

ust watched the race - not one of James McDonald's finest hours perhaps though not sure what else he could have done. 

Would ANGEL CAPITAL have won with a clear run? Hard to think he wouldn't have been close.

Don't know if you can blame the jockey.  If there's trouble to be found in a race Angel Capital will find it.

[We're Doomed]

9 hours ago, Bimbo said:

Very few trainers down under could train a horse to run in a 2400 metre race first up.

And why would you want to when there is such good money to be won over 1,400m, 1,600m, 1,800m and 2,000m on the way through. And for a stallion prospect to show they can be competive over 1,600m as well as 2,400-3,200m adds immensely to their value.

[Ohokaman]

13 hours ago, stodge said:

Yes but the bit I don't understand is why he would be run at this trip. Is it because there aren't the races over further?

In the UK, we have plenty of races at 2400m or further for the stayers -the John Porter today, the Sagaro at Ascot next week, the Jockey Club Stakes in a couple of weeks, the Ormonde at Chester, the Yorkshire Cup, all pattern races at 2400m or further in the next month and I'm sure I've missed a couple. 

They have to start somewhere Stodge and his trials had been pretty good.

Thought the last 100m or so was fair enough, given what was behind him. Jamie seemed happy.

1st – BEIWACHT (Nash Rawiller) He travelled beautifully and he ran the sectionals and kicked off that. You know what It's like when you're on a really good horse and you know you're home. I just love the way he lengthened stride again when I asked him. I was just happy to enjoy it. He's just a really highly talented colt.

2nd – LAZZURA (Jason Collett) Really good run. Had the gate and was able to get into the right spot. Split came late to run a Group 1 placing. Very good.

3rd – JIMMYSSTAR (Ethan Brown) Great run against the track bias today. Maybe up in trip could be his go. He is going really well. Couldn't be happier with him.

4th – BRIASA (Zac Lloyd) He has gone very well. I thought I was going to finish a bit closer than I did at the top of the straight. Just feels like he has another gear but just not finding it.

5th – HEADLEY GRANGE (Adam Hyeronimus) He has gone fantastic. Had a wide run on speed. Has shown that he has got it at WFA. Just needs a soft draw and things to go his way.

6th – ANGEL CAPITAL (James McDonald) Good run. Just no space at all.

7th – PERICLES (Craig Williams) He has had a really good preparation. Just was a little bit dour on today's performance. Still stuck to the task well.

8th – FANGIRL (Ben Melham) I thought she ran a really good race. Tough for horses out the back especially later on today with her racing pattern. It made it hard.

9th – HALF YOURS (Jamie Melham) Very happy. Very excited about his prep. He's come back fantastic.

10th – GIGA KICK (Rachel King) Got into a beautiful spot and travelled up well. He just didn't let down as well as he can. Might have felt the firm track.

11th – ROYAL PATRONAGE (Tim Clark) He is struggling to find his best form.

12th – MAGIC TIME (Jordan Childs) She ran as well as she could. Had a nice run on the back of Jimmysstar. When they quickened they left her behind. Track might be a bit firm for her as well.

13th – KOVALICA (Sam Clipperton) He ran super. Was terrific after the post. Took a power of pulling up. Right on track.

[Ohokaman]

12 hours ago, Bimbo said:

Don't know if you can blame the jockey.  If there's trouble to be found in a race Angel Capital will find it.

They thought J Mac would make the difference but obviously not. You could not back the horse with any coonfidence.

Still think left handed ( Flemington ) is his go.

[Tauhei Notts]

Sam Clipperton's comment was lovely.

He ran super and I was able to get him to run 13th, which is not bad as the 14th horse was scratched.

When you are paying NZD150 per day in training fees that sort of comment gives the owner a big hard-on.//

[Bimbo]

7 hours ago, We're Doomed said:

And why would you want to when there is such good money to be won over 1,400m, 1,600m, 1,800m and 2,000m on the way through. And for a stallion prospect to show they can be competive over 1,600m as well as 2,400-3,200m adds immensely to their value.

You train it to win first up over distance to show that you are a master of your craft.

Stayers can however sprint well fresh.  Guy Walter would always start Tie The Knot in The Expressway. Won it one year.  Super horse.

[stodge]

10 hours ago, We're Doomed said:

And why would you want to when there is such good money to be won over 1,400m, 1,600m, 1,800m and 2,000m on the way through. And for a stallion prospect to show they can be competive over 1,600m as well as 2,400-3,200m adds immensely to their value.

I don't disagree - I simply point out that's not how we do it up here.

Yes, as juveniles, horses often run over shorter trips than those for which they become better known. Frankel, for example, won on debut at 1400m but never raced beyond 2000m. He had Group 1 winning form at all distances in that range and that hasn't stopped him being a stallion star. 

Up here, we do like our Guineas and Derby winners so you'd have the range between 1600m and 2400m and that does happen.

Beyond that, the stayers tend to be viewed more as prospective jumps stallions. Indeed, you could argue form beyond 2400m is a disadvantage if you want to market your stallion for the flat racing broodmares. That may be less of an issue in Australia and New Zealand.

Take SCANDINAVIA, likely to be one of the top stayers this year. He's a 4-y-o colt by Justify out of a Galileo mare so you'd expect him to stay 2000m at most but he stays much further. He's never raced over shorter than 1600m. 

Now, you could argue he might have the pace to win a 2400m Group 1 but they are very competitive races and the truth is there are plenty of options from 2800m upwards to indeed the 4000m of the Ascot Gold Cup and the Cadran. Could I envisage Aidan starting him in a 2400m race this season? Yes, but I doubt he will - he'll likely start at 2800m and work up to Ascot. The question when he retires is whether he will be marketed by Coolmore as a flat or jumps stallion. Could they send him sprinting broodmares or more established jumping broodmares? The money is in the former but the latter provides longevity and durability - his progeny could be racing for the next 20-30 years.

[Charlie E]

Have a look at Race 4 at Randwick . James again on Karinska certainty beaten . Hmmm not sure what you guys thought take a look . Kerrin M on the winner should be suspended for that movement pushing James back in like that , could easily have caused a fall