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sunlineboy · April 29

A "Te Akau" runner worth watching at Caulfield (Race 7) is In Haste. Has form around some smart types, comes off a trial win, and looks ready to go.

Blue · April 29

3 hours ago, sunlineboy said:

A "Te Akau" runner worth watching at Caulfield (Race 7) is In Haste. Has form around some smart types, comes off a trial win, and looks ready to go.

Fifth early but never a factor when the heat went on and beat one home. First run for over six months so should improve.

sunlineboy · April 30

The betting told the story. $6 to $9.

scooby3051 · May 3

On 4/26/2026 at 2:55 PM, nomates said:

It is not just expensive flops that IMO has created this slow uptake of horses .

Being a current owner and having talk to quite a few past and current owners there is definitely other reasons .

Could it be something to do with the lies they tell you...like the one about Haley Hassman booked to ride your horse this week...they just seem to make it up as they go...and you are just expected to tow the party line.Your poor mare has had no chance...pigeon holed and never given a chance to do anything else.

And what did you say 45K in training the last 10 months for how many starts???

PKR · May 3

Looks like they have another one going forward. Patience for once might pay off.

https://events.loveracing.nz/news/fortuna-have-another-exciting-youngster-their-hands

nomates · May 3

1 hour ago, scooby3051 said:

Could it be something to do with the lies they tell you...like the one about Haley Hassman booked to ride your horse this week...they just seem to make it up as they go...and you are just expected to tow the party line.Your poor mare has had no chance...pigeon holed and never given a chance to do anything else.

And what did you say 45K in training the last 10 months for how many starts???

Yeah it's hard work TBH , so far this prep of 6 1/2 months is easily 40+k and this will be her 3rd run , yes correct 3rd run , money well spent .

I knew they wouldn't put the girl up , they have never made it easy for her , now going to be top weight , again . The other horse gets the weight relief but has drawn 13 so what's the chance it is scratched and the girl sits in the stands .

There is no way they want this mare to disprove the statement about not being able to win past 1000m on the grass . That would not be a good look .

Wednesday just a pipe opener for Cambridge in 2 weeks where she will run for a 9 1/2k winning stake , YAH!!! , then I can be told what an excellent job they have done with this mare , AGAIN .

Someone was talking about ROI , classic example .

nomates · May 4

32 minutes ago, PKR said:

Looks like they have another one going forward. Patience for once might pay off.

https://events.loveracing.nz/news/fortuna-have-another-exciting-youngster-their-hands

Mate I'll wait till it beats some decent horses .

It's a black type winner now so a stud career awaits .

Farnarkler · May 4

18 minutes ago, nomates said:

Yeah it's hard work TBH , so far this prep of 6 1/2 months is easily 40+k and this will be her 3rd run , yes correct 3rd run , money well spent .

I knew they wouldn't put the girl up , they have never made it easy for her , now going to be top weight , again . The other horse gets the weight relief but has drawn 13 so what's the chance it is scratched and the girl sits in the stands .

There is no way they want this mare to disprove the statement about not being able to win past 1000m on the grass . That would not be a good look .

Wednesday just a pipe opener for Cambridge in 2 weeks where she will run for a 9 1/2k winning stake , YAH!!! , then I can be told what an excellent job they have done with this mare , AGAIN .

Someone was talking about ROI , classic example .

What a fucking tragedy, at least it's out there and people are talking.........my mate has shares in 20 horses at the moment some with the BIG stables here, no accounts get anywhere near Nomates and so many are aghast at the behaviour....

nomates · May 4

3 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

Could it be something to do with the lies they tell you...like the one about Haley Hassman booked to ride your horse this week...they just seem to make it up as they go...and you are just expected to tow the party line.Your poor mare has had no chance...pigeon holed and never given a chance to do anything else.

And what did you say 45K in training the last 10 months for how many starts???

For accuracy's sake I have checked my bills for this prep . This is for a 61/2 months , from mid October , haven't received last months so far so have factored that in on an average from the previous 5 1/2 months of costs .

Overall figure is $42,345 Monthly average $6,514

Daily training fees $23,331 $3,589

Vets bills $6,692 $1,030

Farriers $2,295 $353

Chiropractor $1205 $185

Now the figure that stands out for me is he vet bills , I have not been told of any specific on going issue that requires regular treatment , additives are included in the daily rate charges . These charges are never broken down just given as a lump sum . So what is being administered ?? And if there is an issue why are the owners not being told .

See's a chiropractor once a month , once twice , seems to be done whether she requires it or not .

See's the farrier once a month and twice a month twice , must have 10 legs????

Now for me it's not about the costs , IF! , the horse was being given a fair break .

MW has pigeon holed her purely as a Synthetic track 1000m specialists , can't win at 1200m on grass , at present purely an opinion . This opinion was given to the owners within 2 hours of her winning easily at 1100m on a good grass track , the one and only time she has been allowed to race on a good grass surface .

I have said to both MW and DE at least let her fail before condemning her but it has fallen on deaf ears , if they had at least tried and she had failed then they wouldn't hear another word from me , but so far the FACT is no one knows .

But IMO there is an ego at play .

Leggy · May 4

Are you not entitled to request copies of the original invoices and reports under the syndicate agreement? i.e., vet, farrier, chiropractor etc.? Then you can examine them for yourself. Maybe they are are using gold plated shoes for her or something?

We're Doomed · May 4

She sounds like a very sick horse based on those vets bills.

On the bright side you are saving quite a lot of transport and jockeys fees by not going to the races much.

nomates · May 4

12 minutes ago, Leggy said:

Are you not entitled to request copies of the original invoices and reports under the syndicate agreement? i.e., vet, farrier, chiropractor etc.? Then you can examine them for yourself. Maybe they are are using gold plated shoes for her or something?

Definitely , but there has to be level of trust on my part and a duty of care for owners money on the other side as well as a transparency as to what is actually going on with their horse/s . I have only ever had communication when I have felt other options should be "considered", but I can say they haven't been accepted well .

I knew the costs were up there when I got on board , my expectation is that I am respected as an owner and I am fully informed around decisions . The horse in question was from last week claiming with the stable apprentice riding and making the horses life somewhat easier , but that was changed yesterday without any explanation as to why , I have my opinion as to this decision but can't say it .

Ohokaman · May 4

29 minutes ago, nomates said:

For accuracy's sake I have checked my bills for this prep . This is for a 61/2 months , from mid October , haven't received last months so far so have factored that in on an average from the previous 5 1/2 months of costs .

Overall figure is $42,345 Monthly average $6,514

Daily training fees $23,331 $3,589

Vets bills $6,692 $1,030

Farriers $2,295 $353

Chiropractor $1205 $185

Now the figure that stands out for me is he vet bills , I have not been told of any specific on going issue that requires regular treatment , additives are included in the daily rate charges . These charges are never broken down just given as a lump sum . So what is being administered ?? And if there is an issue why are the owners not being told .

See's a chiropractor once a month , once twice , seems to be done whether she requires it or not .

See's the farrier once a month and twice a month twice , must have 10 legs????

Now for me it's not about the costs , IF! , the horse was being given a fair break .

MW has pigeon holed her purely as a Synthetic track 1000m specialists , can't win at 1200m on grass , at present purely an opinion . This opinion was given to the owners within 2 hours of her winning easily at 1100m on a good grass track , the one and only time she has been allowed to race on a good grass surface .

I have said to both MW and DE at least let her fail before condemning her but it has fallen on deaf ears , if they had at least tried and she had failed then they wouldn't hear another word from me , but so far the FACT is no one knows .

But IMO there is an ego at play .

Without further clarity, I’d be moving the horse NM.

nomates · May 4

2 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Without further clarity, I’d be moving the horse NM.

Mate I would but only one party has that say and it wouldn't be to another trainer , it would and will be retirement .

I would prefer she was retired because there is no enjoyment watching decisions being made around one persons ego and the poor horse not being a chance at proving herself .

I know of others who feel the same .

I was told by the principal of TA that he thought they had done an excellent job with her .

Maximus · May 4

Well, if this was Max's money and Max's 'experience' of racing the TA way I'd be cutting my losses and finding another horse(s) and another trainer, quick smart.

Ohokaman · May 4

4 minutes ago, nomates said:

Mate I would but only one party has that say and it wouldn't be to another trainer , it would and will be retirement .

I would prefer she was retired because there is no enjoyment watching decisions being made around one persons ego and the poor horse not being a chance at proving herself .

I know of others who feel the same .

I was told by the principal of TA that he thought they had done an excellent job with her .

They no doubt tell all the owners that…….

Just seems constant outlay for no chance of return. “Excellent job” for TA….

Time to find a new one mate……

nomates · May 4

7 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

They no doubt tell all the owners that…….

Just seems constant outlay for no chance of return. “Excellent job” for TA….

Time to find a new one mate……

Can't just walk away mate , only way out is to sell your share to another owner or retirement , well who is going to buy my share , just to double their outgoings for double the misery .

The wifey and her mate have taken a share in the filly that has been advertised above , she's a cracker and I will enjoy their enjoyment for a while .

A bit gun-shy after the last 4 years mate , maybe a bit of PTSD .

Maximus · May 4

...and that's the downside of having a small share...muchos sympathy to you NM, because the only way to 'stop the bleeding' is to surrender your share if you can't sell it.

Mates of mine had a similar experience with another big name trainer in this country. After being wooed with all the promises it cost them a fortune until they told him in no uncertain terms that they'd had enough and simply walked away. Never regretted it. An expensive lesson but they learned the importance of having control of the horse(s) and how to work with trainer(s).

Choclover · May 4

Those fees are insane, how demoralising to spend all that money for nothing in return.

On another thing, Te Akau, claim they're all about the horse. I remember when Gingernuts broke down at Flemington. Yes, they made sure he got the best care possible, but what shocked me was they didn't retire him on the spot. It took multiple vets telling them that more racing could be catastrophic. He nearly died. If he was my horse, there wouldn't have been any consideration to racing him again.

To me, that told me a lot about them, then & there. I also can't stand DE, there's something about him that creeps me out, I can't put a finger on it.

scooby3051 · May 4

1 hour ago, nomates said:

For accuracy's sake I have checked my bills for this prep . This is for a 61/2 months , from mid October , haven't received last months so far so have factored that in on an average from the previous 5 1/2 months of costs .

Overall figure is $42,345 Monthly average $6,514

Daily training fees $23,331 $3,589

Vets bills $6,692 $1,030

Farriers $2,295 $353

Chiropractor $1205 $185

Now the figure that stands out for me is he vet bills , I have not been told of any specific on going issue that requires regular treatment , additives are included in the daily rate charges . These charges are never broken down just given as a lump sum . So what is being administered ?? And if there is an issue why are the owners not being told .

See's a chiropractor once a month , once twice , seems to be done whether she requires it or not .

See's the farrier once a month and twice a month twice , must have 10 legs????

Now for me it's not about the costs , IF! , the horse was being given a fair break .

MW has pigeon holed her purely as a Synthetic track 1000m specialists , can't win at 1200m on grass , at present purely an opinion . This opinion was given to the owners within 2 hours of her winning easily at 1100m on a good grass track , the one and only time she has been allowed to race on a good grass surface .

I have said to both MW and DE at least let her fail before condemning her but it has fallen on deaf ears , if they had at least tried and she had failed then they wouldn't hear another word from me , but so far the FACT is no one knows .

But IMO there is an ego at play .

Those numbers are unbelievable mate. Think of that buy 100+ a month, that is daylight robbery. !!!! My horses get the best care best attention, never see a vet, and my monthly charges have never ever been like that even in full racing ...I can not believe the charges they seem to think are OK.

Blue · May 4

1 hour ago, Leggy said:

Are you not entitled to request copies of the original invoices and reports under the syndicate agreement?

In my case it was listed as "Partnership" rather than syndicate. Not really sure there's a difference, and decisions were made by the Manager KFE (though generally referred to DE for ratification) and the trainer. If you simply say you're out and walk away I'm not sure what exactly they can do about it but the important thing is - the bills stop coming.

BUCKY · May 4

6 minutes ago, Blue said:

In my case it was listed as "Partnership" rather than syndicate. Not really sure there's a difference, and decisions were made by the Manager KFE (though generally referred to DE for ratification) and the trainer. If you simply say you're out and walk away I'm not sure what exactly they can do about it but the important thing is - the bills stop coming.

Isnt there something in their ' agreement 're failing to pay by AP for 3 months or more? Then you can be removed from the partnership. I'd say they'd have a snowballs chance in hell of pursuing you for any money.

Trouble is..if too many do this then what happens to the horses? Do they go the way of many-unfortunately-and get on a truck to go to the 'farm' in the hills?

Maximus · May 4

9 minutes ago, Blue said:

In my case it was listed as "Partnership" rather than syndicate. Not really sure there's a difference, and decisions were made by the Manager KFE (though generally referred to DE for ratification) and the trainer. If you simply say you're out and walk away I'm not sure what exactly they can do about it but the important thing is - the bills stop coming.

exactly the point. The bills stop. And then you're back in control of your money and can find a horse that might actually give you the thrills and the ROI you're after!

nomates · May 4

9 minutes ago, Maximus said:

exactly the point. The bills stop. And then you're back in control of your money and can find a horse that might actually give you the thrills and the ROI you're after!

TBH Max it's less about the money than the enjoyment , that is where the ROI becomes important for me anyway .

Farnarkler · May 4

1 hour ago, nomates said:

Definitely , but there has to be level of trust on my part and a duty of care for owners money on the other side as well as a transparency as to what is actually going on with their horse/s . I have only ever had communication when I have felt other options should be "considered", but I can say they haven't been accepted well .

I knew the costs were up there when I got on board , my expectation is that I am respected as an owner and I am fully informed around decisions . The horse in question was from last week claiming with the stable apprentice riding and making the horses life somewhat easier , but that was changed yesterday without any explanation as to why , I have my opinion as to this decision but can't say it .

Based on your terrible experience NM, and I have to add I've seen your other accounts for your other group and stakes horses I find it unbelievable that there are any owners at all there anymore.

The funs gone for you, and isn't it about fun? now it's sheer agony, as an owner you just ask for honesty, our industry though is plagued with dishonesty, or ineptitude, and in recent times cruelty.

The contradictions regarding BA are laughable for an entity of this size and reputation, to coin a phrase, ''the left hand doesn't know what the right hands up to'' however charge top dollar for a very diminished experience.

Vet bills are the bane of our lives for most, a necessary evil as we can't do without Vets, although good animal husbandry should negate those to an extent, but then you need the very best staff who can identify and treat injuries without veterinarian intervention.

Its sad reading to learn this will be your last racing venture, to be forced out not by financial reasons but loss of trust is a blight on all concerned, but for what it's worth, Thanks for being a racing owner/trainer/breeder for all those years, racing will be poorer for NM exit!

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