Programming

[nomates 5,555]

The Listed 2yo race has been taken off New Plymouth this season , I presume because of poor numbers and quality . 

But a new Listed 2yo race on the same day has been has now been programmed at Ellerslie , the nom's for this bright shiny new race are out and only 5 nom's , 1 winner and 4 mdns , 3 unraced . 

Now the first question is "Would this have been any worse if it had still been run at NP ?", and the second is "Will this race still be run if there is no increase in runners ?".

This proofs to me that there is a real disconnect in the programming and calendar , and that there needs to be complete overhaul of these .

The more cynical part of me thinks that it is a continuation of the slow drift of races being moved north for convenience .

[Canterbury Man 183]

44 minutes ago, nomates said:

The Listed 2yo race has been taken off New Plymouth this season , I presume because of poor numbers and quality . 

It was actually a Grp 3.

The 2yr old season is skewed  by the KM.  All paths point to it and there is nothing leading to the Sistema Stakes for KM eligible 2yr olds without extensive travel.  At least  moving to Ellerslie makes that easier for the majority.

New Plymouth has always been out on a limb and isn't the date they had for that meeting clashing with Ellerslie?

[racingoutsider 389]

51 minutes ago, nomates said:

The Listed 2yo race has been taken off New Plymouth this season , I presume because of poor numbers and quality . 

But a new Listed 2yo race on the same day has been has now been programmed at Ellerslie , the nom's for this bright shiny new race are out and only 5 nom's , 1 winner and 4 mdns , 3 unraced . 

Now the first question is "Would this have been any worse if it had still been run at NP ?", and the second is "Will this race still be run if there is no increase in runners ?".

This proofs to me that there is a real disconnect in the programming and calendar , and that there needs to be complete overhaul of these .

The more cynical part of me thinks that it is a continuation of the slow drift of races being moved north for convenience .

The Ellerslie G3 is in fact the Taranaki 2YO Classic, renamed.

[Pam Robson 1,918]

Nothing cynical about that.

[racingoutsider 389]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

The more cynical part of me thinks that it is a continuation of the slow drift of races being moved north for convenience .

And what exactly is the convenience?

[tripple alliance 1,274]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

The Listed 2yo race has been taken off New Plymouth this season , I presume because of poor numbers and quality . 

But a new Listed 2yo race on the same day has been has now been programmed at Ellerslie , the nom's for this bright shiny new race are out and only 5 nom's , 1 winner and 4 mdns , 3 unraced . 

Now the first question is "Would this have been any worse if it had still been run at NP ?", and the second is "Will this race still be run if there is no increase in runners ?".

This proofs to me that there is a real disconnect in the programming and calendar , and that there needs to be complete overhaul of these .

The more cynical part of me thinks that it is a continuation of the slow drift of races being moved north for convenience .

Isn't time to have a stern word with Trainers that's where the failure lye's .  No doubt the noms will have been be left open and they will probably end up with 9 or 10 .

Yep here it is , All races will remain open until Wednesday 29th January 9.00am

[nomates 5,555]

15 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Isn't time to have a stern word with Trainers that's where the failure lye's .  No doubt the noms will have been be left open and they will probably end up with 9 or 10 .

Yep here it is , All races will remain open until Wednesday 29th January 9.00am

As ever TA your grasp of the real problems go right over your head . 

Miss Jools , your needed .

[racingoutsider 389]

2 hours ago, tripple alliance said:

Isn't time to have a stern word with Trainers that's where the failure lye's .  No doubt the noms will have been be left open and they will probably end up with 9 or 10 .

Yep here it is , All races will remain open until Wednesday 29th January 9.00am

It appears trainers have spoken on that bit of programming.

[nomates 5,555]

3 hours ago, Canterbury Man said:

It was actually a Grp 3.

The 2yr old season is skewed  by the KM.  All paths point to it and there is nothing leading to the Sistema Stakes for KM eligible 2yr olds without extensive travel.  At least  moving to Ellerslie makes that easier for the majority.

New Plymouth has always been out on a limb and isn't the date they had for that meeting clashing with Ellerslie?

Moving it to a week after the KM's makes it easier for northern horses to get a lead into the Sistema Stks 5 weeks away , really , and what about CD horses ? 

It's another date in the CD that has been mucked around so now the simple solution is just take a black type race north .

My whole point is around dates and programming , we can't just keep robbing the CD of black type and group races , that will eventually just shrink racing south of Taupo .

 

[nomates 5,555]

2 hours ago, racingoutsider said:

And what exactly is the convenience?

Not travelling horses to the CD for races .

[racingoutsider 389]

13 minutes ago, nomates said:

Not travelling horses to the CD for races .

What about the CD horses that would now have to travel to Ellerslie for it?

[Canterbury Man 183]

30 minutes ago, nomates said:

Moving it to a week after the KM's makes it easier for northern horses to get a lead into the Sistema Stks 5 weeks away , really , and what about CD horses ? 

It's another date in the CD that has been mucked around so now the simple solution is just take a black type race north .

My whole point is around dates and programming , we can't just keep robbing the CD of black type and group races , that will eventually just shrink racing south of Taupo .

 

I don't agree with the changes.  The pattern is well and truly stuffed.

[nomates 5,555]

On 1/28/2025 at 6:04 PM, racingoutsider said:

What about the CD horses that would now have to travel to Ellerslie for it?

Exactly my point .

But , in any G1 race run in NZ or any group race for that matter , with a very few exceptions the majority by far are trained north of Taupo . So their interest is going to be self interest .

Which to a large degree I can fully understand , but , they can't just keep taking races from the CD and recondition them for the Northerners , at least without some consideration to those clubs in the CD and those that own and train there .

As I said a more holistic approach needs to be taken in regards to the calendar and programming . 

[Maximus 817]

On 1/28/2025 at 3:48 PM, nomates said:

As ever TA your grasp of the real problems go right over your head . 

Miss Jools , your needed .

Miss Jools , your needed .

Yes, she sure is! 

[Insider 5,239]

You’re needed is possibly what the pedantic grammatical pricks are on about, but only guessing.

[nomates 5,555]

47 minutes ago, Insider said:

You’re needed is possibly what the pedantic grammatical pricks are on about, but only guessing.

Well you got pricks right , spelling I mean .

[tripple alliance 1,274]

On 1/28/2025 at 3:48 PM, nomates said:

As ever TA your grasp of the real problems go right over your head . 

Miss Jools , your needed .

Fortunately I don't have any racing problems and in fact I often end up on the right side , lets see where I am in 10 minutes , it might be restaurant time tonight , might not but not a bad try .

 

[nomates 5,555]

21 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Fortunately I don't have any racing problems and in fact I often end up on the right side , lets see where I am in 10 minutes , it might be restaurant time tonight , might not but not a bad try .

 

Might need to start showing some diversity in your bets .

[voice of reason 198]

There is no programming ,it is purely scattergun approach ..Ellerslie March 8 meeting has all eggs in one basket ...Media sycofants are dribbling about how fantastic this is . It just doesnt make sense ,trying to copy what Sydney does ..Their industry is stratospheres ahead of ours ...One of the most embarrassing things will happen at Ellerslie on Feb 22 ,when the Otaki Maori group1 will be run on its course ..The same day that Otaki actually have a raceday ..Utterly ridiculous ,at least change the name of the race for goodness sake.

[meomy 1,069]

On 1/28/2025 at 1:01 PM, nomates said:

The Listed 2yo race has been taken off New Plymouth this season , I presume because of poor numbers and quality . 

But a new Listed 2yo race on the same day has been has now been programmed at Ellerslie , the nom's for this bright shiny new race are out and only 5 nom's , 1 winner and 4 mdns , 3 unraced . 

Now the first question is "Would this have been any worse if it had still been run at NP ?", and the second is "Will this race still be run if there is no increase in runners ?".

This proofs to me that there is a real disconnect in the programming and calendar , and that there needs to be complete overhaul of these .

The more cynical part of me thinks that it is a continuation of the slow drift of races being moved north for convenience .

Programming and calendar have been screwed over since around 2000, exacerbated with the implementation of The Messara Report and closures of Rural Communities Race courses across not only New Zealand but other countries.

Shutting down Racing in Rural regions, or to quote Shamble Equab, in Zombie Towns he thinks New Zealand has, has been destructive to our country's previous stability and it's economy.

Re Sydney, do be mindful of what's going on there and take note of Gai Waterhouse's comments on it.

 

It's gravely concerning what's happening world wide with the wider racing industry and "economists" telling us we need more concrete jungle "housing" to accommodate escalating populations that have effectively migrated to places they can't afford to live and taking over lands that was expressly set aside as Domains and Reserves - probably the word "Reserves" has been "Lost in Translation" with different languages hence the land grabs and selling off of Racecourses, Golf Courses, Croquet courses, Bowling Courses etc and the like 

 

Racing calendar changes and destruction of our sectors are all "Consequences" of the Bigger picture of moronics  decisions and not addressing the real issues in society - that of taking over the land of our Animals and Nature which is also dare we use the words, part of "Climatic Change".

 

We have mentioned it before, and for those who may not have read it, locate Lord Birkenhead's book , The World in 2030AD which was written in 1928 when he was Viceroy of India and also a Barrister.

It mentions Australia and New Zealand and the decline of Agriculture and that with a little lateral thinking is because as populations of people increase, there is less natural Open Spaces for our animals.

It's time our Sector woke up from the slumber and lock step and took a stand to address where and who is causing these bigger problems for our Industry.

Don't expect those Apartment projects at Ellerslie to be a success because once again, there been no thinking as it's Rocks they are digging in to and any person with an ounce of intelligence knows that's effectively a "Quarry" and we all know a Quarry takes a very long time to dig in to and consents etc 

Just saying...the Bean Counters leapt before they looked...

[meomy 1,069]

13 minutes ago, meomy said:

Programming and calendar have been screwed over since around 2000, exacerbated with the implementation of The Messara Report and closures of Rural Communities Race courses across not only New Zealand but other countries.

Shutting down Racing in Rural regions, or to quote Shamble Equab, in Zombie Towns he thinks New Zealand has, has been destructive to our country's previous stability and it's economy.

Re Sydney, do be mindful of what's going on there and take note of Gai Waterhouse's comments on it.

 

It's gravely concerning what's happening world wide with the wider racing industry and "economists" telling us we need more concrete jungle "housing" to accommodate escalating populations that have effectively migrated to places they can't afford to live and taking over lands that was expressly set aside as Domains and Reserves - probably the word "Reserves" has been "Lost in Translation" with different languages hence the land grabs and selling off of Racecourses, Golf Courses, Croquet courses, Bowling Courses etc and the like 

 

Racing calendar changes and destruction of our sectors are all "Consequences" of the Bigger picture of moronics  decisions and not addressing the real issues in society - that of taking over the land of our Animals and Nature which is also dare we use the words, part of "Climatic Change".

 

We have mentioned it before, and for those who may not have read it, locate Lord Birkenhead's book , The World in 2030AD which was written in 1928 when he was Viceroy of India and also a Barrister.

It mentions Australia and New Zealand and the decline of Agriculture and that with a little lateral thinking is because as populations of people increase, there is less natural Open Spaces for our animals.

It's time our Sector woke up from the slumber and lock step and took a stand to address where and who is causing these bigger problems for our Industry.

Don't expect those Apartment projects at Ellerslie to be a success because once again, there been no thinking as it's Rocks they are digging in to and any person with an ounce of intelligence knows that's effectively a "Quarry" and we all know a Quarry takes a very long time to dig in to and consents etc 

Just saying...the Bean Counters leapt before they looked...

For those who may not be aware Equab is working for Simplicity Housing that have wrecked Ellerslie Racecourse and many other previous "Reserves, Golf Courses and Open Spaces" with his Zombie Housing projects that the poor people will occupy with no outdoor washing lines so all those Disposable Nappies will be dumped on our Animals and Natural land with pollution and don't start us on extra drain on our Energy / Electricity and Water resources.

It's these sorts of people who are quick to diss Racing  and allege links to Animal Cruelty, Problem gambling and drinking yet lack forward thinking of the bigger picture that have ruined our industry and economy and effectively Racing Programming!!!!

[Blaird 592]

32 minutes ago, meomy said:

The World in 2030AD

I have just started reading it, it is fascinating. Thanks for your post.

[meomy 1,069]

2 hours ago, Blaird said:

I have just started reading it, it is fascinating. Thanks for your post.

Look up Equab's comments on housing in 2017 Budget, he thinks we should have had another 480 000 houses in New Zealand if we kept building like we were prior to 1980's and post war. (Radio NZ article May 26, 2017)

He is a huge part of New Zealand's problem.

 

We don't think he has a clue about population spread or control and clearly lacks intelligence about our country's Geography and needs including Agriculture lands and important to the people, Quality of Life in New Zealand.

 

We recall an interview with him on ZB with Kerre Woodham around 5 years ago  and him saying there's lots of land to build houses at coastal farmland Awhiti...hmmmm.

 

We were taught when people said such things a phrase about going back to where we came from, as in our mother's womb, and come back out with a brain.

There's a similar one we dare not write...

It's unknown how he became a Government consultant in NZ or what role at University his father has including in Christchurch and via Samoa.

 

His works need to be ripped to shreds in the Pulp Paper Shredder just like those of the 111 WEF Tech Digital attendees in 2014 as it has created a serious lop sided screwed up world.

There was a mere 3 people world wide Representing the Pulp and Paper sector at WEF that year.

 

It's unknown how many, if any, were representing the Racing Sector 

 

There will be No Animals or Nature left because of these people.

 

They have Derailed The Program...

 

[meomy 1,069]

On 2/2/2025 at 12:30 PM, Blaird said:

I have just started reading it, it is fascinating. Thanks for your post.

Did you get the bit about everyone needing a Tablet?

It's Glaxo Milk Tablets that the NZ Diary sector made for the poor people in India and that NZ School children had as a food source and nutrition, not a Device to play games on ..

It's most unfortunate that such a book has been "Lost in Translation" from the way of the world and forward thinking of how unabated population increases has consequences.

[Blaird 592]

4 hours ago, meomy said:

Did you get the bit about everyone needing a Tablet?

Only about half way through so still a way to go.

Some of the predications are scarily accurate (synthetic/processed foods, wireless technology and transport) but some are a bit off the mark. He thought electricity would be so cheap by 2030 that it would almost be free.