Dunn Woodend Stable

[Thejanitor 1,453]

20 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Look at Race 2 at Blenheim and see if you can smell a rat. Its time to unload

Yes. No odds up yet. Burgess horse has to be respected.

[Dynamite 532]

1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

Look at Race 2 at Blenheim and see if you can smell a rat. Its time to unload

Horse been trained at Dunn’s….. was on unhinged videos recently….. what does Dunn owner think when he paying massive training bills and their horse isn’t good enough for the stable driver to drive….. 

[Pure Steel 1,930]

23 minutes ago, Dynamite said:

Horse been trained at Dunn’s….. was on unhinged videos recently….. what does Dunn owner think when he paying massive training bills and their horse isn’t good enough for the stable driver to drive….. 

John is driving against 3 of the stable runners on Friday at Blenhiem. I guess that's why he doesn't list as a Trainer.  

He can't need other driving Fees that desperately  ?  crazy really.  just doesn't feel right for the Countries leading stable to do that ? . and yeah the 3 sets of owners must be slightly downhearted, after paying lots of money to the stable for service . 

[Charlie E 668]

I think the Dunns are pretty fair when it comes to dishing out drives . Maybe Tim has been driving the horse in trials or something   Often I see John sitting in the stands while others like Riley , Blair , Gavin and even Mikayla Lewis who upset them recently on Judine drive for the stable . To be honest if Tim W drove my horse instead of John I would be very happy , 

Looking forward to seeing how Who's Delight goes at Blenheim , the best of him would clean up that field . Also I see Jimmy C on El Conqueror . I won't be backing him but will be interesting to see how he goes after that last start when god knows what Blair was thinking 

[AndrewFitzgerald 77]

On 1/3/2025 at 12:49 PM, Dynamite said:

Totally agree…. Don’t spend millions at sales….  Win group races regularly…. Be cheaper per month than Dunn’s….. 

Not sure why you continue this hunt about Dunns being so much more expensive than everyone else. Can tell you that’s certainly not the case and they’re in line with the main barns in Canterbury. In fact up until about 6 months ago they were cheaper daily rate/monthly bill then most of them and RJ reluctantly went up due to rising costs of everything.

23 hours ago, Pure Steel said:

John is driving against 3 of the stable runners on Friday at Blenhiem. I guess that's why he doesn't list as a Trainer.  

He can't need other driving Fees that desperately  ?  crazy really.  just doesn't feel right for the Countries leading stable to do that ? . and yeah the 3 sets of owners must be slightly downhearted, after paying lots of money to the stable for service . 

Tim’s mum owns a share in one, so Tim driving.

JUDINE the stable have been using Mikayla for the half points as concession junior plus giving her a drive for all her hard work. Diamond Racing also own a share in it. Stay in winnable race grade thanks to only getting 3 points last win not 6 thanks to Mikaylas concession half points.

BAFFLED is a special case that Riley does all the work on at home and has driven 15/16 starts including a win on debut and running in a Group 1. Also now as 4yo extra benefit is half points with Riley on.

[Pure Steel 1,930]

1 hour ago, AndrewFitzgerald said:

Not sure why you continue this hunt about Dunns being so much more expensive than everyone else. Can tell you that’s certainly not the case and they’re in line with the main barns in Canterbury. In fact up until about 6 months ago they were cheaper daily rate/monthly bill then most of them and RJ reluctantly went up due to rising costs of everything.

Tim’s mum owns a share in one, so Tim driving.

JUDINE the stable have been using Mikayla for the half points as concession junior plus giving her a drive for all her hard work. Diamond Racing also own a share in it. Stay in winnable race grade thanks to only getting 3 points last win not 6 thanks to Mikaylas concession half points.

BAFFLED is a special case that Riley does all the work on at home and has driven 15/16 starts including a win on debut and running in a Group 1. Also now as 4yo extra benefit is half points with Riley on.

You're missing the point Andrew. although thank you for pointing out how the young ones get a drive in the Bush in NZ. 

There's no problem with anyone else driving the Diamonds team. I'm a fan of young drivers getting a go . Is SUPER Important for the GoOd and future of the Sport..

Blair Orange steered FOLLOW YOUR DREAM well to 2 wins at Nelson ( helped brilliantly by John's parked drive on RADHA the first day, John winning with it 2nd day)  The Gordon's (owners)  didn't want the young stable workers driving that 'star' horse ? . the horse isn't that great lol  should give Harrison and Newman more goes with ones like that. they do a heap of stable work early mornings , late nights  and then have to sit there and watch Orange go round . in these tiny little races. It's not a Group race or anything. 

At least Olivia gets more goes on Cullens now and is learning her craft well and improving. After Orange was used a lot at first. Group races too. Good on em'. 

The POINT is . John being the MAIN Stable 'hands on' worker is Driving to Beat them , on horses trained by other people ?? stretches credibility a Lot . 

Is he trying or not ?? how could he come along with a rival to try and beat Judine, Baffled and  Cop-Girl when they're Diamonds runners on Friday ?  In a photo finish or something. ? He should give those drives to Harrison and Newman . How much do you get paid for a drive in NZ at Blenhiem these days? 

[JJ Flash 2,622]

10 hours ago, Pure Steel said:

The POINT is . John being the MAIN Stable 'hands on' worker is Driving to Beat them , on horses trained by other people ?? stretches credibility a Lot . 

Spot on, further

The salient point is in the HRNZ site the horse in question, .Mariana Trench, is down as being trained by G Burgess when its apparent that the horse has been at Dunns. I don't believe it's the first time such an event has occurred either and must surely undermine the integrity of the sport.

The Tims mother point is surely irrelevant given J Dunn has driven it in its 2 Raceday starts.

BTW Mariana opened at 2s and 1.24 whilst the Dunn runner is at 6s

 

 

 

[Charlie E 668]

10 hours ago, Pure Steel said:

You're missing the point Andrew. although thank you for pointing out how the young ones get a drive in the Bush in NZ. 

There's no problem with anyone else driving the Diamonds team. I'm a fan of young drivers getting a go . Is SUPER Important for the GoOd and future of the Sport..

Blair Orange steered FOLLOW YOUR DREAM well to 2 wins at Nelson ( helped brilliantly by John's parked drive on RADHA the first day, John winning with it 2nd day)  The Gordon's (owners)  didn't want the young stable workers driving that 'star' horse ? . the horse isn't that great lol  should give Harrison and Newman more goes with ones like that. they do a heap of stable work early mornings , late nights  and then have to sit there and watch Orange go round . in these tiny little races. It's not a Group race or anything. 

At least Olivia gets more goes on Cullens now and is learning her craft well and improving. After Orange was used a lot at first. Group races too. Good on em'. 

The POINT is . John being the MAIN Stable 'hands on' worker is Driving to Beat them , on horses trained by other people ?? stretches credibility a Lot . 

Is he trying or not ?? how could he come along with a rival to try and beat Judine, Baffled and  Cop-Girl when they're Diamonds runners on Friday ?  In a photo finish or something. ? He should give those drives to Harrison and Newman . How much do you get paid for a drive in NZ at Blenhiem these days? 

Good point PS . However if you take Zac for example sometimes he isn't driving the Barry and Scott horses in races , Scott or Crystal do at times while he has another drive  . I guess you could say similar to what John is doing  Maybe with Follow your Dream they wanted to try another driver as it hasn't been going well lately . But just speculation and we both know team driving for stables has always happened 

[Pure Steel 1,930]

2 hours ago, Charlie E said:

Good point PS . However if you take Zac for example sometimes he isn't driving the Barry and Scott horses in races

Yeah but Zac isn't the 'Hands on' Main trainer at that outfit? . Whereas John Dunn is the MAIN Trainer for Diamonds . And it is a leading stable. He shouldn't drive against them IMO. But go for your life if you think its hunky dory John. Vin Knight would of turn in his grave rather than drive against any of his dad trainer Bob Knights back in the day. There was pride in your work and stable loyalty to the max.   

Gary Hall JNR , a massive winning driver in the West , and has stacks of NZ horses (3 Interdominions with I'm Themightyquinn)  Very occasionally drives against the stable (by keeping the training license in dad Gary Hall  SNR name , even though he is over 80 I think lol and wouldn't be touching the horses. Junior should put them in his name but wants to sneak an outside drive in occasionally. I say shouldn't be allowed lol  .  just not good for the image of the sport. 

Chris Alford , the best Aussie driver , sometimes drives Queen Alida against his own trotters. ( they are put in his wife's name as Trainer) I don't think that is Ideal either (for Chris's owners) but he is Not a Leading Trainer stable so can get away with it.. just. 

Luke McCarthy was annoying , as Was and Is a leading stable in the country , but put the horses in his wife ( and then farrier's name  when she (Belinda) got a DQ once)  so one of KING of SWINGS Miracle Mile 3 wins has the Farrier listed as the trainer forever  , a kiwi bloke too ) so Luke could occasionally drive others against his own team. Did this sometimes driving Allstars visitors over a few years when they were left in his stable for a month or so . Thankfully last season he trained in his name (Belinda now doing a lot of the Breeding stuff  with their operation)  so has seen the light and finally getting the Actual Training Credit  through 2024 season. Because he is in fact been training them all this time lol . 

 

[Charlie E 668]

Its a bit of a funny situation really PS . I agree with you when you think about it . If John admits he is training the horses even though he is not listed as the trainer as such Then if he is happy to give someone else the drive for the stable that's fine but shouldn't be allowed to drive another horse in that race . And isn't Rhys Fensom doing the training for the Dunns up North ? Why isn't he listed as the joint trainer ? 

I guess there is nothing the stipes can do about team driving , but I remember years ago I think was the All Stars prior to the false rail and it drifted off the fence and let the stablemate sitting in the trail win . From memory that was thrown out but the stipes kept a close watch on that . 

[Charlie E 668]

1 hour ago, Pure Steel said:

Yeah but Zac isn't the 'Hands on' Main trainer at that outfit? . Whereas John Dunn is the MAIN Trainer for Diamonds . And it is a leading stable. He shouldn't drive against them IMO. But go for your life if you think its hunky dory John. Vin Knight would of turn in his grave rather than drive against any of his dad trainer Bob Knights back in the day. There was pride in your work and stable loyalty to the max.   

Gary Hall JNR , a massive winning driver in the West , and has stacks of NZ horses (3 Interdominions with I'm Themightyquinn)  Very occasionally drives against the stable (by keeping the training license in dad Gary Hall  SNR name , even though he is over 80 I think lol and wouldn't be touching the horses. Junior should put them in his name but wants to sneak an outside drive in occasionally. I say shouldn't be allowed lol  .  just not good for the image of the sport. 

Chris Alford , the best Aussie driver , sometimes drives Queen Alida against his own trotters. ( they are put in his wife's name as Trainer) I don't think that is Ideal either (for Chris's owners) but he is Not a Leading Trainer stable so can get away with it.. just. 

Luke McCarthy was annoying , as Was and Is a leading stable in the country , but put the horses in his wife ( and then farrier's name  when she (Belinda) got a DQ once)  so one of KING of SWINGS Miracle Mile 3 wins has the Farrier listed as the trainer forever  , a kiwi bloke too ) so Luke could occasionally drive others against his own team. Did this sometimes driving Allstars visitors over a few years when they were left in his stable for a month or so . Thankfully last season he trained in his name (Belinda now doing a lot of the Breeding stuff  with their operation)  so has seen the light and finally getting the Actual Training Credit  through 2024 season. Because he is in fact been training them all this time lol . 

 

Pretty cunning that from Luke . King of Swing what a horse he was 

[Dynamite 532]

2 hours ago, Charlie E said:

Pretty cunning that from Luke . King of Swing what a horse he was 

Luke done it….. as do other trainers here…. So if they throw a positive the wife does the time,,,, Robbie Morris as well…. 

[Pure Steel 1,930]

1 hour ago, Dynamite said:

Luke done it….. as do other trainers here…. So if they throw a positive the wife does the time,,,, Robbie Morris as well…. 

True too . KerryAnne Morris doing the 6 months out DQ in 2023. and Robbie could keep on doing the team while Mrs does the dishes at home. 

Good to see her back training though,  and might Win the 100k group 2 Ballarat Cup this week with Kanena Provlima. 

Did you see they engaged last weeks driver that got disqualified in the Shepparton Cup that beat Kanena Provlima last week , now has the drive = David Moran 

Robbie driving the Team at Menangle instead, . a little surprising ? with it being a Big Prize at Ballarat and horse a strong chance.

[Charlie E 668]

Amazing how they can get away with it not having a trainer's license but as long as we are making money it doesn't matter lol

[JJ Flash 2,622]

23 hours ago, JJ Flash said:

BTW Mariana opened at 2s and 1.24 whilst the Dunn runner is at 6s

If you look on HRNZ website they dedicate a page on Dunn's stable chances today. this caught my eye,

And Copenhagen Girl in Race 2 shouldn’t be a maiden for long but does cop a second line draw over 1850m mobile.

Really, then why did you get off it today to drive a non-stable horse.

BTW, one might ask why is J D being asked about the Dunn stable horses as he's not the Trainer, or is he?

[Dynamite 532]

1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

If you look on HRNZ website they dedicate a page on Dunn's stable chances today. this caught my eye,

And Copenhagen Girl in Race 2 shouldn’t be a maiden for long but does cop a second line draw over 1850m mobile.

Really, then why did you get off it today to drive a non-stable horse.

BTW, one might ask why is J D being asked about the Dunn stable horses as he's not the Trainer, or is he?

Agree…. Why isn’t Robert interviewed…. Or Jenna….. they are the listed trainers…. Guess this highlights the issue….. 

[Charlie E 668]

I think it needs to be looked at . I have often wondered what's the criteria for trainers who operate more than one stable in different Islands or countries   . Are they happy with trainers just Skyping the person running their stable or are they required to physically be on the premises for a certain period of time ? 

[JJ Flash 2,622]

39 minutes ago, Dynamite said:

Why isn’t Robert interviewed…. Or Jenna….. they are the listed trainers…. Guess this highlights the issue….. 

Ask Mick G as he wrote the item and HRNZ has it on their website

[Dynamite 532]

4 hours ago, Charlie E said:

I think it needs to be looked at . I have often wondered what's the criteria for trainers who operate more than one stable in different Islands or countries   . Are they happy with trainers just Skyping the person running their stable or are they required to physically be on the premises for a certain period of time ? 

J Dunn looking for CG all way….. T Williams to smart….. bad look…. dooms day……

[JJ Flash 2,622]

21 minutes ago, Dynamite said:

J Dunn looking for CG all way….. T Williams to smart….. bad look…. dooms day……

Agreed  but i did have a sneaky on the winner - purely as i love it when a plan comes unstuck 

[Charlie E 668]

31 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Agreed  but i did have a sneaky on the winner - purely as i love it when a plan comes unstuck 

Nice going . I just checked the result paid really well 

[Pure Steel 1,930]

1 hour ago, Dynamite said:

J Dunn looking for CG all way….. T Williams to smart….. bad look…. dooms day……

Funny as .. . John drove that odds on favourite super well really . got a lovely trip.  Punters All about to smile.

Then a horse John trains goes sailing on by the last bit of the race .whooops  ... and you just have to wonder .

I guess with the leading  national stable polish on it , it would supposedly be the better bet in a maiden race . ?  Johnny Dunn just trying to be tricky lol . got a better Tote price for Mrs Williams and other CG owners and JJ   here as well , so All is good ? 

 

[Charlie E 668]

3 minutes ago, Pure Steel said:

Funny as .. . John drove that odds on favourite super well really . got a lovely trip.  Punters All about to smile.

Then a horse John trains goes sailing on by the last bit of the race .whooops  ... and you just have to wonder .

I guess with the leading  national stable polish on it , it would supposedly be the better bet in a maiden race . ?  Johnny Dunn just trying to be tricky lol . got a better Tote price for Mrs Williams and other CG owners and JJ   here as well , so All is good ? 

 

I bet Tim was laughing as he shot past lol 

[JJ Flash 2,622]

2 hours ago, Charlie E said:

I bet Tim was laughing as he shot past lol 

My personal view was that the runner up was given every chance to win but was beaten by a superior runner who had a much tougher run

[JJ Flash 2,622]

2 hours ago, Charlie E said:

I bet Tim was laughing as he shot past lol 

Not as much as bookies