One race that sums up the state of NZ racing.

[We're Doomed 5,792]

$18,500 rating 75 sprint at Timaru today. Won by a horse that raced in $65,000 races at its last three starts, the most recent at Trentham. 2nd horse home raced in a $40,000 race previous start and a $65,000 the start before. 3rd horse home, $65,000 race previous start, $40,000 the race before that. 4th horse home, a rating 81, raced in a $35,000 race previous start . $140,000 and $90,000 races its two previous starts. Just in behind them South of Houston, the Aussie import, $140,000 and $90,000 races its previous two starts.

A full field, and apart from one horse every one of them had raced in $35,000 - $140,000 races at their previous starts.

Can you imagine an Aussie deciding to have a bet in the race and analysing the form and thinking what the hell is going on here.

I know a couple of NZTR cheerleaders on here will say "well why did they start for such a poor stake?". They started because it was their only opportunity. There is nothing else upcoming. They could have raced out of their class on a bog track at Wingatui, but there is nothing else to aim for in their own class on a decent track.

They raced for the same stake as those trash 4 and 5 horse maiden fields at Taranaki.

i know most of us think NZTR is incompetent, but I actually blame the Trainers Assoc. How on earth can they possibly tolerate such a situation without saying a word?

[voice of reason 197]

absolutely right ,and well said .

Then there is the bullshit slot race which is effectively the rich getting richer ..a swinging dick competition...On to the Otaki Group 1 race being run at Ellerslie in Feburary ,I dont know what to say about that ,it is so ridiculous ...On to the momentous day in March when all of the ATR major races are raced on the same day ,leaving nothing for the other dates ..too bad if it pisses down on that day aye..to hell with tradition and history ...I realise this post was relating to the south but it is symptomatic of the lack of pattern in scheduling by so called experts 

 

[tripple alliance 1,240]

Geez why all the whinging trainers chose to start in this race , completely irrelevant where the trainer started them last time any decision was the trainers , they could have stayed at home they chose not to and of course the winner could have stayed in the North it didn't and they knew what was coming up.

As for the rest of them have been lucky enough to try for better money even though   they seem to be very very average horses, this all comes down to where the trainer see how and where to place a horse with the future in mind . Just for good measure look at the field again most would struggle to win a 65 again .

[Irish 319]

1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:

i know most of us think NZTR is incompetent, but I actually blame the Trainers Assoc. How on earth can they possibly tolerate such a situation without saying a word?

Is it because the Trainers Association go on the theory 'silence is golden' or because no one takes any notice of them when they do speak???  

Racing industry is galloping towards destruction - led by leaders who wouldn't know if a bus was up them - unless, of course, someone rang the bell to get off. 

Of course the PR blurb will tell you different. 

[We're Doomed 5,792]

26 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Geez why all the whinging trainers chose to start in this race , completely irrelevant where the trainer started them last time any decision was the trainers , they could have stayed at home they chose not to and of course the winner could have stayed in the North it didn't and they knew what was coming up.

As for the rest of them have been lucky enough to try for better money even though   they seem to be very very average horses, this all comes down to where the trainer see how and where to place a horse with the future in mind . Just for good measure look at the field again most would struggle to win a 65 again .

Gee. I said the NZTR cheerleaders would come on and say well why did the trainers start there. But I really didn't expect such a pathetic response.

As to the whinging trainers. If you read what I said  again, a bit more carefully this time, you will see that was the whole point of my comment.  None of them have complained. They just accept what is put in front of them.

Most people on here understand my posts, even if they don't always agree with them. I will use shorter words next time to try and make my message a bit clearer.

[tripple alliance 1,240]

10 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

Gee. I said the NZTR cheerleaders would come on and say well why did the trainers start there. But I really didn't expect such a pathetic response.

As to the whinging trainers. If you read what I said  again, a bit more carefully this time, you will see that was the whole point of my comment.  None of them have complained. They just accept what is put in front of them.

Most people on here understand my posts, even if they don't always agree with them. I will use shorter words next time to try and make my message a bit clearer.

Should have been an apostrophe after the word trainers ,,,,, I wasn't meaning the trainers were whinging , you were whinging , trainers are the decision makers and made  decisions what suited themselves  .

[gubellini 4,513]

Kerang in Victoria (289km from Melbourne) ran maiden races for $27,000 today. We must be the laughing stock of all racing countries for our pitiful minimum stakes.

[Insider 5,097]

1 hour ago, voice of reason said:

absolutely right ,and well said .

Then there is the bullshit slot race which is effectively the rich getting richer ..a swinging dick competition...On to the Otaki Group 1 race being run at Ellerslie in Feburary ,I dont know what to say about that ,it is so ridiculous ...On to the momentous day in March when all of the ATR major races are raced on the same day ,leaving nothing for the other dates ..too bad if it pisses down on that day aye..to hell with tradition and history ...I realise this post was relating to the south but it is symptomatic of the lack of pattern in scheduling by so called experts 

 

I had previously singled out my POST OF THE YEAR, but Voice of Reason, this post of yours usurps it well and truly.
So well worded, no bullshit, simply pointing out the mess that the idiots have got us into. 

[Irish 319]

1 hour ago, Insider said:

I had previously singled out my POST OF THE YEAR, but Voice of Reason, this post of yours usurps it well and truly.
So well worded, no bullshit, simply pointing out the mess that the idiots have got us into. 

Poetically put. 

Having said that how, on God's earth, do we plan to extricate ourselves from such bullshit?? 

Or do we continue to wallow in the shit?   

[voice of reason 197]

Since these races have been changed and shifted then the record books and history of the races need to stop also.

Example ..The Great Northern Steeplechase should no longer be named as such .The day the Hill was sold ,the race ceased to exist. The race is 3 times over the hill .You cannot compare a horse like West Coast with Hunterville or Hypnotize simply because he did not go over the hill .Most of us think he probably would have succeeded ,but the fact remains it didnt happen .So what ever race he won ,it was not the Great Northern Steeplechase.

Example ..The Auckland Cup was the culmination of a series of lead up races ,and the grand final was run on New Years Day..The lead ups included the Avondale,Waikato,Counties cups ,and the the Queen Elisabeth and Nathans Memorial.The geniuses at Ellerslie decided to shift to March and even more ridiculous ,they ran it on a Wednesday..you can scarcely believe that could be true..Similar for the Railway Hcp.

They cannot seriously keep the name of this Otaki group 1 to be run at Ellerslie ..it ceases to exist ,its not the same race ,everything is different .

I am certain also that the 2 Guineas races at Riccarton in cup week will move to the north island ,most likely Ellerslie ,within my lifetime.

[Idolmite 3,296]

31 minutes ago, voice of reason said:

Since these races have been changed and shifted then the record books and history of the races need to stop also.

Example ..The Great Northern Steeplechase should no longer be named as such .The day the Hill was sold ,the race ceased to exist. The race is 3 times over the hill .You cannot compare a horse like West Coast with Hunterville or Hypnotize simply because he did not go over the hill .Most of us think he probably would have succeeded ,but the fact remains it didnt happen .So what ever race he won ,it was not the Great Northern Steeplechase.

Example ..The Auckland Cup was the culmination of a series of lead up races ,and the grand final was run on New Years Day..The lead ups included the Avondale,Waikato,Counties cups ,and the the Queen Elisabeth and Nathans Memorial.The geniuses at Ellerslie decided to shift to March and even more ridiculous ,they ran it on a Wednesday..you can scarcely believe that could be true..Similar for the Railway Hcp.

They cannot seriously keep the name of this Otaki group 1 to be run at Ellerslie ..it ceases to exist ,its not the same race ,everything is different .

I am certain also that the 2 Guineas races at Riccarton in cup week will move to the north island ,most likely Ellerslie ,within my lifetime.

100% correct. I think the only exemptions should be for races staged at another track (in Ellerslie's case mostly Pukekohe) while the main track is closed for upgrades. That should also apply to Hastings races run at Matamata and Te Rapa this season. But the Great Northern especially went with The Hill. 

[THE TORCH 781]

Outstanding points raised VOR. Thank you!

[nomates 5,422]

3 hours ago, voice of reason said:

I am certain also that the 2 Guineas races at Riccarton in cup week will move to the north island ,most likely Ellerslie ,within my lifetime.

I would put money on it . I wonder if Hastings is available for the spring carnival just where the 3 G1s will go , I suspect at least one could go to Ellerslie .

Give them long enough and I think they could co-op the Levin J/O's to Ellerslie .

[Alf Riston 2,107]

21 hours ago, Irish said:

Having said that how, on God's earth, do we plan to extricate ourselves from such bullshit?? 

I've said it multiple times before, but I'll repeat myself.

Putting lipstick on a pig (as with Entains entry into the fray) doesn't work. We need to replicate the Japan Racing Industry (also Hong Kong), where ONE admnistrative body is responsible for the entire chain.

Breeding, Training, Jockeys, Apprenticeships,WAGERING, the lot....!!!

Racing, as a whole is suffering from splinter groups that are all self interested and will make the changes required, nigh impossible.

If Winston really wants to make a difference, I believe such a course is the only true way to steer this ship away from the rocks.

And I believe the ones that hold the power for change, are the owners (billpayers!!) They should arrange a meeting with Winston and demand action.

Rather than continually chasing pathetic stakes they could save money by putting the horses into the paddock or send them offshore if good enough (although, sadly due to the continuous slide down the shitter, very few would measure up for this option). 

   

[JJ Flash 2,606]

On 12/28/2024 at 7:57 PM, tripple alliance said:

I wasn't meaning the trainers were whinging , you were whinging

He does a lot of that on here