Ohokaman 6,304 Report post Posted November 6 2024 Champions Stakes Field: No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight 1 20x11x611x WITHOUT A FIGHT (IRE) Anthony & Sam Freedman Mark Zahra 10 59kg 2 33×7552441 DUKE DE SESSA (IRE) Ciaron Maher Harry Coffey 5 59kg 3 14x0x75x04 ARAPAHO (FR) Bjorn Baker Ben Melham 11 59kg 4 x73407x803 NUGGET (GB) Ciaron Maher Michael Dee 8 59kg 5 x0656x3201 FUTURE HISTORY (GB) Ciaron Maher Dylan Browne McMonagle 6 59kg 6 211x1x1137 ELIYASS (FR) Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott Nash Rawiller 2 59kg 7 x3x222x7x5 DOCKLANDS (GB) Harry Eustace Declan Bates 7 59kg 8 9x513x2x62 ROYAL CHAMPION (IRE) Anthony & Sam Freedman Craig Williams 9 59kg 9 5x24x95x11 KINGSWOOD (GB) Gavin Bedggood John Allen 3 59kg 10 x2x12x1511 VIA SISTINA (IRE) Chris Waller James McDonald 4 57kg 11 8132×96631 ATISHU (NZ) Chris Waller Jye McNeil 1 57kg 12 034021×515 DENY KNOWLEDGE (IRE) Anthony & Sam Freedman Damian Lane 12 57kg 2024 Champions Mile Field: No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight 1 1253×21224 MR BRIGHTSIDE (NZ) Ben, Will & JD Hayes Craig Williams 4 59kg 2 64730×0263 MY OBERON (IRE) Annabel Neasham & Rob Archibald Nash Rawiller 6 59kg 3 500x0x2173 PINSTRIPED Enver Jusufovic Ben Allen 8 59kg 4 0x160x4331 ANTINO (NZ) Tony Gollan Mark Zahra 12 59kg 5 131139×314 DESERT LIGHTNING (NZ) Peter G Moody & Katherine Coleman Luke Nolen 11 59kg 6 11117×1171 ANOTHER WIL Ciaron Maher 2 59kg 7 43x209x658 NEW ENERGY (IRE) Ciaron Maher 3 59kg 8 32x715x894 VON HAUKE (NZ) Cliff Brown Joshua Parr 1 59kg 9 2121×52128 PRIDE OF JENNI Ciaron Maher Ben Melham 7 57kg 10 174x12x316 FANGIRL Chris Waller James McDonald 9 57kg 11 0x220x2252 AMELIA'S JEWEL Annabel Neasham & Rob Archibald Damian Lane 10 57kg 12 42x531x295 STEFI MAGNETICA Bjorn Baker Chad Schofield 5 57kg 13 331111×143 BROADSIDING James Cummings Michael Dee 13 52kg 2024 Champions Sprint Field: No Last 10 Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight 1 3211x3x542 GIGA KICK Clayton Douglas Mark Zahra 7 58.5kg 2 12x201x1x1 OVERPASS Bjorn Baker Joshua Parr 2 58.5kg 3 3222x89x22 I AM UNSTOPPABLE Ciaron Maher 11 58.5kg 4 11113311 BARAQIEL Leon & Troy Corstens & Will Larkin Ben Allen 1 58.5kg 5 41221×2311 BELLA NIPOTINA Ciaron Maher Craig Williams 12 56.5kg 6 x1x254x152 SUNSHINE IN PARIS Annabel Neasham & Rob Archibald James McDonald 9 56.5kg 7 112120×763 LADY LAGUNA Annabel Neasham & Rob Archibald Nash Rawiller 6 56.5kg 8 6x1115x471 ESTRIELLA Ciaron Maher Ben Melham 4 56.5kg 9 453×211141 RIGHT TO PARTY Anthony & Sam Freedman Jye McNeil 3 56.5kg 10 7x4262x638 STRETAN ANGEL Phillip Stokes Luke Nolen 5 56.5kg 11 41×141 PRIVATE LIFE Chris Waller Damian Lane 8 53.5kg 12 3214×51112 BELLATRIX STAR Mark Walker Michael Dee 10 51.5kg jack and Pegasus 9 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak Star 1,047 Report post Posted November 6 Gee there is some quality in those fields. Alf Riston and Pegasus 9 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 6,304 Report post Posted November 6 Declan Bates getting the heave ho from Pride of Jenni was a surprise. Can’t see he has done much wrong to warrant that. Ungrateful bastards sometimes these owners. Ottobre a prime example. nomates, Pegasus 9, Insider and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak Star 1,047 Report post Posted November 6 17 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Declan Bates getting the heave ho from Pride of Jenni was a surprise. Can’t see he has done much wrong to warrant that. Ungrateful bastards sometimes these owners. Ottobre a prime example. Unless hes chosen to ride Rosehill, im guessing Zac has been handed the same treatment with Stefi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaird 333 Report post Posted November 6 7 minutes ago, Pak Star said: Declan Bates getting the heave ho from Pride of Jenni was a surprise. Can’t see he has done much wrong to warrant that. Quoted from Race Net - "The decision has been made that maybe we need a jockey change," Pride Of Jenni's owner Tony Ottobre said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates 4,960 Report post Posted November 6 12 minutes ago, Blaird said: Quoted from Race Net - "The decision has been made that maybe we need a jockey change," Pride Of Jenni's owner Tony Ottobre said. Nothing wrong with the ride , tough back up from the previous weeks hard race IMO ? . Maybe they'll sack the trainer if she fails this week . They're not bloody machines . Pegasus 9, wph and We're Doomed 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack 572 Report post Posted November 6 18 minutes ago, Pak Star said: Unless hes chosen to ride Rosehill, im guessing Zac has been handed the same treatment with Stefi Bates is on Docklands in the MacKinnon (who is also nommed for Sydney but with no jockey listed there). Lloyd is riding at Rosehill, where they have two million-dollar-plus races for some reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 12,319 Report post Posted November 6 17 hours ago, Blaird said: Quoted from Race Net - "The decision has been made that maybe we need a jockey change," Pride Of Jenni's owner Tony Ottobre said. Sounds like he overuled Maher on spelling her too...greedy bastard I say...horse welfare should come first. Basil brush and Pegasus 9 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates 4,960 Report post Posted November 6 53 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: Sounds like he overused Maher on spelling her too...greedy bastard I say...horse welfare should come first. If true he will get what he deserves , raced like a tired horse in the CP . Pegasus 9 and Pam Robson 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 4,775 Report post Posted November 6 3 hours ago, Blaird said: Quoted from Race Net - "The decision has been made that maybe we need a jockey change," Pride Of Jenni's owner Tony Ottobre said. Say's it all. She's been to the well too often and too close together this time around in my opinion. I wouldn't be backing her on Saturday even if they offered me a boost of 100% on the odds offered. Pegasus 9, Irish and nomates 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 6,304 Report post Posted November 6 Classy response from Declan…..doubt I would have been so gracious ( 15 rides later)…… Irish, Insider, Pegasus 9 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,084 Report post Posted November 6 The word is that Maher wanted to spell but owner overruled him.Feel sorry for Declan as by all accounts had been riding to owners Instructions nomates, Pegasus 9 and Insider 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 6,304 Report post Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, richie said: The word is that Maher wanted to spell but owner overruled him.Feel sorry for Declan as by all accounts had been riding to owners Instructions As he says, she normally has 5 runs, now they are going again. Tough field might stuff her completely. Surprised Maher agreed. Pegasus 9, Insider and nomates 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 12,319 Report post Posted November 6 13 hours ago, Ohokaman said: As he says, she normally has 5 runs, now they are going again. Tough field might stuff her completely. Surprised Maher agreed. Sounds like he had not much say....karma comes to mind... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 6,304 Report post Posted November 7 Great ride by Declan on Kettle Hill today at $19……for the Maher stable of course….. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
say no more 3,260 Report post Posted November 7 Bates gets the ride on Another Wil. I reckon on Saturday at least he might be better off on this one. I love Pride of Jenni but like many of you on here i reckon she's had her final and Another Wil is on the way up. ps. this is a brilliant field. Broadsiding and Fangirl also both favourites of mine. Alf Riston, nomates and Pegasus 9 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak Star 1,047 Report post Posted November 7 27 minutes ago, say no more said: ps. this is a brilliant field. Broadsiding and Fangirl also both favourites of mine. Resisting the urge to chase my money left on the table by Stefi last start. It would go against my #1 rule which is to never bet against a star whether that be horse/human/team - and there are at least 5 of them in this field alone. Will be a great race to watch. nomates 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Riston 1,996 Report post Posted November 7 2 hours ago, say no more said: I love Pride of Jenni Maybe the Hyperbaric chamber therapy she has been undergoing suggests she has some issues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stodge 2,335 Report post Posted November 7 Perhaps someone on here will know but looking at the Champions Stakes field (the MacKinnon as it used to be called I believe) there are three or four who I'm surprised weren't in the Melbourne Cup itself - WITHOUT A FIGHT, DUKE OF SESSA and a couple of others. Has the MacKinnon had an upgrade in terms of value and status so it now draws potential runners from the Cup and doesn't that explain why this year's Cup field, to my eye, looked quite weak? I don't understand what VRC are doing - they are making the same mistake Cheltenham have made. Creating more niche Grade or Group 1 races doesn't raise the bar overall as there is a finite pool of horses and you end up devaluing everything. Is this because they are competing with New South Wales? Fine if you have a top 2000m horse like VIA SISTINA but not so long ago the only option was to go for the Cup - SO YOU THINK being one example so you end up running your champions over the extended distance to see how good they really are - VERRY ELLEGGANT being another example. I thought in the old days the progression was from the Cox Plate to the Cup - the MacKinnon wasn't the big race it now seems to be but I may have that wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Riston 1,996 Report post Posted November 7 Hoping Via Sistina has had a rousing 3 lap workout this week too. Really hoping she goes to the Japan Cup but lining up here suggests otherwise Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stodge 2,335 Report post Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, Alf Riston said: The Mackinnon used to be the Saturday before the Cup Stodge and was used by some as a lead up to that race. Am I right in thinking then this is a "new" race so is anyone surprised it has drawn horses who might otherwise have gone for the Cup itself? Has there always been a 2000m Group 1 just after the Cup? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Riston 1,996 Report post Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, stodge said: Am I right in thinking then this is a "new" race so is anyone surprised it has drawn horses who might otherwise have gone for the Cup itself? Has there always been a 2000m Group 1 just after the Cup? Not that I recall Stodge - certainly not one that attracted the quality of field it does now. The last day always seemed like a poor cousin so their move was probably to level the strength and allure to be on track over the 3 days, rather than the usual Derby and Cup Day dominance, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Riston 1,996 Report post Posted November 7 As a quick tally up The Champion Stakes earnings for the field are in the range of $55 million - possibly an Australasian record ??? The Champion Stakes actually looks similar, again as a quick add up, so either one may be the largest assembly of stakes earners .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stodge 2,335 Report post Posted November 7 8 minutes ago, Alf Riston said: Not that I recall Stodge - certainly not one that attracted the quality of field it does now. The last day always seemed like a poor cousin so their move was probably to level the strength and allure to be on track over the 3 days, rather than the usual Derby and Cup Day dominance, Yet when they created this new race, didn't VRC think it would impact the Cup itself? Yes, the Cup has three times the winning prize money but it isn't always all about the money. It simply creates a niche race for 2000m or 2400m types and will in time devalue the Cup. Pak Star and mckenzie 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,619 Report post Posted November 7 On 11/6/2024 at 6:52 PM, Ohokaman said: Classy response from Declan…..doubt I would have been so gracious ( 15 rides later)…… Good on him, obviously very professional, and a mature response, one can't afford to burn bridges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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