A new term or

[tripple alliance 1,253]

Just my ignorance , whatever anyway I didn't back it but did at it's previous run .

EX stipe report ., PRIMO ATTITUDE (K Myers) - Over-raced in the early stages and dropped out, finishing last. Underwent a post-race veterinary inspection which found the gelding to have suffered an episode of Epistaxis ???. PRIMO ATTITUDE shall not be ridden in exercise for a period of two months or start in any race or trial for a period of three months, and then only after a satisfactory gallop of at least 1000 meters in the presence of a Veterinarian.

Simple  terms , He bled .

[scooby3051 12,950]

New PC  word for bleeding attack....

[racingoutsider 368]

1 hour ago, scooby3051 said:

New PC  word for bleeding attack....

New PC word? It's been in the rules of racing for at least 20 years.

[Insider 5,170]

37 minutes ago, racingoutsider said:

New PC word? It's been in the rules of racing for at least 20 years.

Well, bugger me days!

Epistaxis. 

I'd never heard of it until about 4 or 5 weeks ago!

Did Artificial Intelligence sus it out, and throw it at us?

Just wondering.

Liz

[scooby3051 12,950]

1 hour ago, racingoutsider said:

New PC word? It's been in the rules of racing for at least 20 years.

yes but it has only recently started to be used...we cant have horses bleeding ...hell no much better to say they suffered from epistaxis...I know its not a new word, but it is just starting to be used , for whatever PC reason.

[MHC 49]

PC or clinically accurate? Any muppet with a dictionary or an internet connection can work it out.

[racingoutsider 368]

4 hours ago, MHC said:

PC or clinically accurate? Any muppet with a dictionary or an internet connection can work it out.

Haha! I googled it and Webster says:

First Known Use

1793, in the meaning defined above.

Hardly "new" then. lol.

[Idolmite 3,398]

On 10/20/2024 at 11:06 PM, Insider said:

Well, bugger me days!

Epistaxis. 

I'd never heard of it until about 4 or 5 weeks ago!

Did Artificial Intelligence sus it out, and throw it at us?

Just wondering.

Liz

"Epistaxis"

I think it's just another variation of Uber!! 

[scooby3051 12,950]

4 hours ago, MHC said:

PC or clinically accurate? Any muppet with a dictionary or an internet connection can work it out.

PC...or are you another CM??? It is not a good look saying horses bled.

[MHC 49]

Well they’ve been referring to horses having bled for at least the last 30 years and probably a hell of a lot longer than that.  If you think the animal rights mob are going to be fooled by a switch in terminology then you're just being silly.  Not everyone that happens to have a different opinion to you is a “CM”.

[scooby3051 12,950]

Tick tick.... keep digging.

[racingoutsider 368]

Proposed change to the rules.

EPISTAXIS
Background:
There are a number of words or terms which have been used in horseracing historically which are
not correct from a veterinary science perspective. For example, the Rules use the term “attack of
nasal bleeding” or “nasal bleeding” instead of the veterinary term “epistaxis”.
It is proposed therefore that the words “attack of nasal bleeding” be replaced with the veterinary
term “epistaxis”.
651 (1)  Epistaxis shall be the appearance of blood at one or
both nostrils, irrespective of quantity, unless in the opinion of the Stipendiary
Stewards such bleeding was caused by external trauma.

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(2) If a horse suffers an episode of epistaxis at any time
the Trainer of the horse must report the fact of such episode to a
Stipendiary Steward without delay and must subsequently supply that Stipendiary
Steward with any further information in relation to such episode which they may
require.
(3) A horse which has, in the opinion of a Stipendiary Steward (following consultation
with a Veterinarian, as applicable), suffered  an episode
of epistaxis shall not, without the permission of a Stipendiary Steward:
(a) be ridden in exercise for a period of two months from the date of the
episode [Amended 1 July 2021]; or
(b) start in any Race or Trial for a period of three months from the date of
the episode, and then only after a satisfactory gallop of at least 1,000
metres in the presence of a Stipendiary Steward and/or Veterinarian.
(4) If a horse suffers more than one  episode of epistaxis, it
shall be ineligible to start in any Race.

 

[racingoutsider 368]

Anyone else think the above is very odd?  Medically, the term epistaxis means nose bleeding, regardless of cause. NZTR seem to propose re-defining it as nose-bleeding unless caused by trauma, while at the same time suggesting they are aligning the rule with veterinary terminology which they clearly are not. Did they bother to consult with the NZVA before proposing this wording?

[chevy86 2,890]

3 hours ago, racingoutsider said:

Anyone else think the above is very odd?  Medically, the term epistaxis means nose bleeding, regardless of cause. NZTR seem to propose re-defining it as nose-bleeding unless caused by trauma, while at the same time suggesting they are aligning the rule with veterinary terminology which they clearly are not. Did they bother to consult with the NZVA before proposing this wording?

 

 

Very dodgy to my mind. I always thought an "equine nasal blood discovery" was due to a pulmonary bleed--now we are to believe that it's origin is the nasal mucosa, not the lungs.

In the human corollary a league or rugby player suffering a nose bleed is not the same as player experiencing a lung haemorrhage.

Massage the event as much as you like to salve societal perception, but let's be honest about the causative factors. Come in you vets!

[chevy86 2,890]

Jamie Kah just suffered a genuine "Epistaxis"!  3 month stand-down??

[Idolmite 3,398]

5 minutes ago, chevy86 said:

Jamie Kah just suffered a genuine "Epistaxis"!  3 month stand-down??

 Brilliant 

Somebody had to say it