NZTR'S Arrogance knows no bounds

[Integrity101 78]

21 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

That is what's called progressive thinking...could use some of that here....when it hurts their pocket it WILL make a difference.

You'd think so wouldn't you??

But look what happened when Chief Stipe John Oatham went all woke on Opie Bosson after winning a Group 1 on QUINTESSA.

Usually an automatic 50% fine in Black type, would've have been 7k and a suspension but Woke Oatham thought "too much" and went all wet bus ticket.

Using the available race films, Stipendiary Steward Mr Oatham demonstrated that the Respondent struck his mount 3 times consecutively over the concluding stages of the race. QUINTESSA won the race by a long head.  

Decision

As Mr Bosson admitted the breach, the Adjudicative Committee finds the breach proved.

Submissions for Penalty

Mr Oatham produced Mr Bosson’s record, which indicated he received a warning on December 26th (Pukekohe) for 2 consecutive strikes and a $550 fine was imposed on January 1st for a further breach, where he again applied the whip consecutively.

He submitted a penalty in line with the NZTR Revised Penalty Guide, which provides for a suspension of 5 national days when a Rider is facing a 3rd breach and 3 consecutive strikes.

When asked for the Stewards’ opinion on the application of fines in Black Type Races, Mr Oatham’s opinion was that the imposition of a 50% penalty on Mr Bosson’s stake earnings seemed excessive, when applied in conjunction with a 5-day suspension. Mr Oatham was unable to recall any precedent cases involving Riders facing a third whip charge for consecutive strikes.

So instead of 7k Bosson got off with 3.5k after Oatham activated 'poor Opie, how's he going to pay the the bills' let alone thinking about the CHEATING.

So a Group 1 is decided with an illegal 3 consecutive strikes in the last few strides and compromises the INTEGRITY of Black Type racing in NZ!  Who's to know a breeder, desperately seeking G 1 black type, hasn't informed the jockey they'd take care of any fine, suspension, as long as they WIN AT ALL COSTS??

That's why these European country's like France have adopted a DQ for whip cheating to maintain the INTEGRITY of  the 'result' especially in Black Type. 

The worst by far in recent years though when LICKETYSPLIT won the G 1 Sistema

Matthew Cameron in the last few strides, 3 consecutive, a break of one stride then 4 consecutive when 2 is again the rules.

Wins by a snoz and the breeders don't care.  When Mick Guerin was on Weigh In next day he said he'd rung NZTR about the outright cheating

"yea na, we wont be changing that rule to help out the integrity of NZ racing, are you mad??"  And that's not poetic license either!

Arrogant, unprofessional NZTR

'Love Racing, Hate Integrity/Welfare

 

[scooby3051 11,931]

Should be a mandated penalty no matter who does it so EVERYONE knows the rules.

[Blue 1,141]

On 8/14/2024 at 9:42 AM, Nerula said:

Just get rid of the damned whip.

The horses that want to race will win.

Jockeys will have to ride longer leathers to ride hands and heels. More safety to rider and horses due to balance. 

 

Agreed on all fronts. It's interesting that jockeys can guage a gallop at 13 to the furling but can't count the number of times they use the whip.

[Idolmite 2,842]

18 minutes ago, Blue said:

Agreed on all fronts. It's interesting that jockeys can guage a gallop at 13 to the furling but can't count the number of times they use the whip.

To be fair, history tells us some can't count the required number of laps either 

[Integrity101 78]

13 hours ago, Blue said:

Agreed on all fronts. It's interesting that jockeys can guage a gallop at 13 to the furling but can't count the number of times they use the whip.

And sometimes (all times) they don't even need the whip, 300M out no less

 

[Insider 4,520]

Just shows you:

You don't need a whip on a good horse and isn't that the very type of horse we should be breeding from?

No not Storm Boy because none of us on Race Cafe could afford him, but to athletes that didn't/don't need it just like Storm Boy.

For God's sake NZTR, WAKE UP before our great game is closed down for good.

Liz

 

 

[racingoutsider 88]

1 hour ago, Insider said:

Just shows you:

You don't need a whip on a good horse and isn't that the very type of horse we should be breeding from?

No not Storm Boy because none of us on Race Cafe could afford him, but to athletes that didn't/don't need it just like Storm Boy.

For God's sake NZTR, WAKE UP before our great game is closed down for good.

Liz

 

 

Totally agree. I just don't understand why the likes of the Owners' Federation and Trainers' Association, let alone NZTR's own welfare team are not yelling and screaming and proactively advocating for NZ rules to be brought into line with international standards and research, if not showing some international leadership and banning whip use for encouragement altogether.

[Alf Riston 1,828]

14 hours ago, Insider said:

Just shows you:

You don't need a whip on a good horse and isn't that the very type of horse we should be breeding from?

No not Storm Boy because none of us on Race Cafe could afford him, but to athletes that didn't/don't need it just like Storm Boy.

For God's sake NZTR, WAKE UP before our great game is closed down for good.

Liz

 

 

If I were involved with ATR, I would see an opportunity to take the lead and make Auckland Racing whip free.

Racing needs to rebuild and offer a family friendly product, so why not start with removing the public beatings.

 

 

[scooby3051 11,931]

2 hours ago, Alf Riston said:

If I were involved with ATR, I would see an opportunity to take the lead and make Auckland Racing whip free.

Racing needs to rebuild and offer a family friendly product, so why not start with removing the public beatings.

 

 

They got enough issues to sort out at present...

[Alf Riston 1,828]

1 hour ago, scooby3051 said:

They got enough issues to sort out at present...

Agreed Scooby, but they need to tackle things on a wider front and this should be very simple to implement (even by their standards)  

[racingoutsider 88]

13 minutes ago, Alf Riston said:

Agreed Scooby, but they need to tackle things on a wider front and this should be very simple to implement (even by their standards)  

Simple? They'd have to get the Rules of Racing changed, though if ATR would get behind that it would certainly help progress.

[Alf Riston 1,828]

Simple enough I would have thought, and yes, having the larger dog in the fight would help.

Evolve or die.

 

[racingoutsider 88]

5 hours ago, Alf Riston said:

Simple enough I would have thought, and yes, having the larger dog in the fight would help.

Evolve or die.

 

Support from clubs, especially the larger ones with all the NZTR votes, could make this happen. I wonder how many would get behind it?

[racingoutsider 88]

10 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

They got enough issues to sort out at present...

Anyone know how the jump-outs went there today?

[Integrity101 78]

On 9/1/2024 at 7:19 PM, Insider said:

Just shows you:

You don't need a whip on a good horse and isn't that the very type of horse we should be breeding from?

No not Storm Boy because none of us on Race Cafe could afford him, but to athletes that didn't/don't need it just like Storm Boy.

For God's sake NZTR, WAKE UP before our great game is closed down for good.

Liz

 

 

Too true.

Imagine breeding to a genuine race horse, one who wants to be there, trying to beat the rest of the 'mob' . Just like a 'mob' of broodmares do when racing to be first into a new paddock.

A complete ban could be a step too far for NZTR 's Racing Clubs, who when consulted in 2020, failed to bite the bit by the horns.

"20 November 2020 NZTR CIRCULAR 2020/21 –

No.19 TO EACH TOTALISATOR CLUB AND SECTOR ORGANISATION CONSULTATION ON THE POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE WHIP RULE NZTR has considered the whip rule in New Zealand racing in comparison with overseas jurisdictions, and in light of changing community perceptions which are drivers of future public engagement in racing.

NZTR is interested in the views of racing participants, fans and other interested parties on: 1. the general proposition that the use of the whip be further restricted with effect from mid to late 2021, and that

2. in a further 3-5 years, be again restricted to a point where it can only be carried for the purposes of ‘safety and control’."

So we're in the middle of 3-5 years and does ANY stake holder genuinely think NZTR will have "considered the rule in comparison to overseas jurisdictions by now?

Given they signed up to Article 32 (a) of INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION OF HORSE RACING ASSOCIATIONS when this document was produced

NO WHIPPING FLANK

Then un signed it in May this year when they failed to activate their virtue signalling

Love Racing, LOVE FLANK WHIPPING

#pfftt

 

[Integrity101 78]

On 9/1/2024 at 8:46 PM, racingoutsider said:

Totally agree. I just don't understand why the likes of the Owners' Federation and Trainers' Association, let alone NZTR's own welfare team are not yelling and screaming and proactively advocating for NZ rules to be brought into line with international standards and research, if not showing some international leadership and banning whip use for encouragement altogether.

I think you've identified the problem in one.

I'm picking ALL federations thought 'International Standards' referred to our BASHTHON cousins over the deetch and not Galop France's 4 strikes only with a DQ at 9

If anyone's seen the likes of Jake Bayless in action they'd know what 'da bash' means.

When beaten a narrow margin in the Auckland Cup he spouted the biggest load of clap trap ever spoken by a jockey

"In consideration of the evidence, this breach is, in the opinion of the Adjudicative Committee, assessed as being at the extremely high end. 

Very few Riders, if any, have shown disregard for the Rule as was demonstrated by Mr Bayliss on this occasion.  He submitted that he misjudged the 200 metre mark for the 100 metre mark.  That is not plausible nor is it credible. 

The films clearly show that not only did he strike his mount 10 times, mainly between the 200 and 100 metre marks, but some of the strikes were also particularly forceful.  Further, from the 100 metres he continued to strike his mount several times to the finish, which he is entitled to do.  Mr Bayliss is, or should be aware, of the 100 metre marker, because it is clearly identified on the rail by red paint to the finish. 

Mr Bayliss was close to the running rail for the entire run up the straight.  In addition, he had earlier, in race six, breached the same Whip Rule, for which he received a $500 fine, this should have ‘put him on notice’.  Also, his previous three breaches of the Rule occurred on the same racetrack"

Unfortunately connections got to keep their ill gotten gains and Black Type was attributed unjustly to this mares future catalogue where 'International trends' demanded a DQ 

[racingoutsider 88]

I think I saw that Japan had adopted the BHA whip rules last year but can't find that now. Did they?

[racingoutsider 88]

The sheriff, John Schreck, on this topic last year:

Schreck is clear, though, that his views on whip use are tied primarily to the welfare of the horses rather than to the public perception factor.

“The actual welfare issue is at the top of the tree,” Schreck said. “You’ll hear people say that in Australia today they use the padded whips that don’t hurt the horses. Why would they hit the horses if they don’t hurt them? Of course it hurts them.” 

In Britain, all jockeys must use the Procush whip for ‘encouragement’ – ‘as an aid to activate and focus the horse’ – and must not use it for ‘coercion’.

“The reason they use whips is to inflict pain and try and make the animal do more than it was doing without that pain being inflicted upon it,” he continued.

“Go and stand beside a nice little chestnut filly and you’ll see a fly land on the shoulder and it can’t get its head down to brush the fly away so it will jerk its skin; you’ll see a fly land on a little filly’s rump and you’ll see it immediately swish its tail to get rid of that fly, that’s how sensitive their skin is. To say these whips that they use now don’t hurt them is just so wrong and nobody should fall into that: of course the whip hurts, that’s why it’s used.

"To say these whips that they use now don’t hurt them is just so wrong and nobody should fall into that: of course the whip hurts, that’s why it’s used.

[Integrity101 78]

On 9/3/2024 at 6:03 PM, racingoutsider said:

The sheriff, John Schreck, on this topic last year:

Schreck is clear, though, that his views on whip use are tied primarily to the welfare of the horses rather than to the public perception factor.

“The actual welfare issue is at the top of the tree,” Schreck said. “You’ll hear people say that in Australia today they use the padded whips that don’t hurt the horses. Why would they hit the horses if they don’t hurt them? Of course it hurts them.” 

In Britain, all jockeys must use the Procush whip for ‘encouragement’ – ‘as an aid to activate and focus the horse’ – and must not use it for ‘coercion’.

“The reason they use whips is to inflict pain and try and make the animal do more than it was doing without that pain being inflicted upon it,” he continued.

“Go and stand beside a nice little chestnut filly and you’ll see a fly land on the shoulder and it can’t get its head down to brush the fly away so it will jerk its skin; you’ll see a fly land on a little filly’s rump and you’ll see it immediately swish its tail to get rid of that fly, that’s how sensitive their skin is. To say these whips that they use now don’t hurt them is just so wrong and nobody should fall into that: of course the whip hurts, that’s why it’s used.

"To say these whips that they use now don’t hurt them is just so wrong and nobody should fall into that: of course the whip hurts, that’s why it’s used.

While i'm no fan of Schreck after he had an affair with an ex Kiwi Jocks wife...while still the 'Sherriff' ffs

He knows about pain and the causation 

Take a look at a random bit of flank pain from yesterday in Race 1

Backhand as well so imagine if it had have been the forehand, which it often is

Piercing the unprotected highly sensitive flank with the non padded polymer and onto indenting the hindquarter with the illegal use of the seam of the padded section

LoveRacing Love Inflicting pain

[racingoutsider 88]

The BHA re=allowed the forehand when research showed the backhand could be more forceful.

I can produce multiple pics like that every racing day. NZTR and their welfare team seem to think that's OK.

[Integrity101 78]

On 9/5/2024 at 4:24 PM, racingoutsider said:

The BHA re=allowed the forehand when research showed the backhand could be more forceful.

I can produce multiple pics like that every racing day. NZTR and their welfare team seem to think that's OK.

Ok, I'm going to plead old age and what goes with that!

Of course I  read Prof. McGreevy's Sydney research about this years ago and completely forgot about it reverting to industry held beliefs.

The results showed that forehand versus backhand action does not influence force on impact when jockeys use their non-dominant hand. However, when using the dominant hand, the jockeys struck with more than 15 percent more force in the backhand than the forehand.

"This result challenges the rules' current focus on forehand whip strikes. It should inform any review of the rules around whip use including its impact on fatigued horses when they are being struck for a perceived sporting gain," Professor McGreevy said.

The results complement previous published papers from the Faculty of Veterinary Science showing that:

• horses, on average, achieve their highest speeds in the 600 to 400 metre section of a race, where there is no whip use
• over half of NSW jockeys hold the whip in their inside (right, dominant) hand, challenging the view that whips are used for steering
• the unpadded section of the whip makes contact in 64 percent of strikes and, contrary to the current Australian Veterinary Association policy, more than 75 percent of whip strikes make contact with the abdomen.

Interestingly when presented with this evidence Racing Australia completely ignored it, their jurisdictions basically chanting the mantra of "State agin State"

Vlandy's and his massive ego being the main destroyer in integrating major issues like horse welfare.

When Messara was elected chair his first stated goal was to adopt much needed world trending whip regulation. 

He didn't last long resigning in disgust.

[racingoutsider 88]

I was rapt to learn today that new whip rules will no longer condone use of the whip on the flank.

[Integrity101 78]

On 9/17/2024 at 9:01 PM, racingoutsider said:

I was rapt to learn today that new whip rules will no longer condone use of the whip on the flank.

 I see they quote  the IFHA rule that they signed up to over 4 years ago and didn't bother with then

Maybe too much whip porn on here and they couldn't sustain the blowtorch pain on their y-fronts?

[scooby3051 11,931]

32 minutes ago, Integrity101 said:

 I see they quote  the IFHA rule that they signed up to over 4 years ago and didn't bother with then

Maybe too much whip porn on here and they couldn't sustain the blowtorch pain on their y-fronts?

Just stick to the topic without the sexual stuff...cheers.

[Integrity101 78]

8 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

Just stick to the topic without the sexual stuff...cheers.

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