Well said Sean

[coro fan 116]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350287844/deep-south-poor-cousins-nz-thoroughbred-racing-criticised

 

This is relevant to most clubs south of Ashburton……….

[TurnyTom 1,714]

Very valid points

Simply if not Cambridge  or north of there have little interest, soon it will be all Ellerslie

SI racing in huge strife but little fight back, they will one day but it will be all to late

Thank God I can bet on Aussie racing

[We're Doomed 5,723]

1 hour ago, TurnyTom said:

Very valid points

Simply if not Cambridge  or north of there have little interest, soon it will be all Ellerslie

SI racing in huge strife but little fight back, they will one day but it will be all to late

Thank God I can bet on Aussie racing

The trouble is that NZTR look on Riccarton as the Flemington or Morphetville of the SI, whereas sadly Riccarton behaves more like the Stony Creek or Port Lincoln of the South. No disrespect to Stony Creek or Port Lincoln intended.

[Tauhei Notts 1,456]

The gentleman from Invercargill has a point.

Have a look at the crowds at Wingatui on Melbourne Cup day, Invercargill just prior to Christmas and Riverton on Easter Saturday.  Then have a look at the crowds on course at Cambridge gallops, then condescendingly refer to the Southland president as "having a crack".

That is sick.

[We're Doomed 5,723]

4 minutes ago, Tauhei Notts said:

The gentleman from Invercargill has a point.

Have a look at the crowds at Wingatui on Melbourne Cup day, Invercargill just prior to Christmas and Riverton on Easter Saturday.  Then have a look at the crowds on course at Cambridge gallops, then condescendingly refer to the Southland president as "having a crack".

That is sick.

They don't actually value crowds on course anymore. That's the new model. Unless its Karaka day of course, then crowds are apparently good.

[Tesio 37]

Does anyone know how many horses are trained Dunedin and Sth vs Canterbury?

[Mr Horse 39]

On 5/29/2024 at 9:30 AM, Tauhei Notts said:

The gentleman from Invercargill has a point.

Have a look at the crowds at Wingatui on Melbourne Cup day, Invercargill just prior to Christmas and Riverton on Easter Saturday.  Then have a look at the crowds on course at Cambridge gallops, then condescendingly refer to the Southland president as "having a crack".

That is sick.

Interesting you say that as it was indicated in the article they don't get any good dates or public holidays. You have torpedoed that comment.

[Pak Star 1,114]

Whats the deal with the south island jockey ranks at the moment.  I notice one race at Riccarton tomorrow has north island jocks on 9 of the 11 runners.  No doubt connections want the best of the bunch on their ones, but it cant be helpful for south island riders to gain experience or earn a living if so many northern raiders are coming to town on a Friday.

Even the domestic air fare prices aren't stopping them

[We're Doomed 5,723]

43 minutes ago, Pak Star said:

Whats the deal with the south island jockey ranks at the moment.  I notice one race at Riccarton tomorrow has north island jocks on 9 of the 11 runners.  No doubt connections want the best of the bunch on their ones, but it cant be helpful for south island riders to gain experience or earn a living if so many northern raiders are coming to town on a Friday.

Even the domestic air fare prices aren't stopping them

I think its disgraceful. $17,000 races and 10 north island jockeys pop down to take all the plumb rides. Imagine if that happened in Aussie. The provincial and country jockeys would revolt.

It's why I take offence every time someone comes on here and criticises the quality of southern jockeys. How are they supposed to learn if they can't even get a mount on a $17,000 raceday.

We need to change our system so that the jockeys premiership counts feature days only and industry days are treated separately.

[stodge 2,421]

Why then don't all the clubs get together and speak with a single voice?

It's about time the Clubs realised they own the product - NOT NZTR - and got together wth the owners, trainers and jockeys to put together the racing they want, not what NZTR tells them.

Once you have control of the product, you can sell it to the TAB and generate income and work up a media rights deal.

NZTR has the regulatory function but the Clubs and the Horsemen (and women as well of course) should control the fixture list.

I would be looking to get support in Parliament - presumably the Government would support a deregulated approach over the current arrangement.

[stodge 2,421]

Why then don't all the clubs get together and speak with a single voice?

It's about time the Clubs realised they own the product - NOT NZTR - and got together wth the owners, trainers and jockeys to put together the racing they want, not what NZTR tells them.

Once you have control of the product, you can sell it to the TAB and generate income and work up a media rights deal.

NZTR has the regulatory function but the Clubs and the Horsemen (and women as well of course) should control the fixture list.

I would be looking to get support in Parliament - presumably the Government would support a deregulated approach over the current arrangement.

[Leggy 4,194]

46 minutes ago, stodge said:

Why then don't all the clubs get together and speak with a single voice?

It's about time the Clubs realised they own the product - NOT NZTR -

The problem is that NZTR IS an association of clubs. The clubs are it's members.

[We're Doomed 5,723]

51 minutes ago, stodge said:

Why then don't all the clubs get together and speak with a single voice?

It's about time the Clubs realised they own the product - NOT NZTR - and got together wth the owners, trainers and jockeys to put together the racing they want, not what NZTR tells them.

Once you have control of the product, you can sell it to the TAB and generate income and work up a media rights deal.

NZTR has the regulatory function but the Clubs and the Horsemen (and women as well of course) should control the fixture list.

I would be looking to get support in Parliament - presumably the Government would support a deregulated approach over the current arrangement.

That's not really the way it works in NZ Stodge. The clubs have had all of the enthusiasm and excitement knocked out of them over the years. There are really no innovative, competent club CEOs left. The jockeys, trainers and owners associations haven't really had livewire leaders for many years. The owners and trainers assoc had a good leader back in the 80s who sadly died in office. Historically the NZRC was a reasonably harmless organisation that did basic admin tasks. Now the NZRC has been replaced by NZTR. I still can't decide whether NZTR are incompetent or dangerously corrupt.

[Fiery Falcon 100]

How many clubs have you run i would assume 0

What have you actually done for any club.

You have cost them thousands of dollars with your negative comments over the years.

Your comments are BS how would you know.

It is a pity  Tasman Man does not comment any more he used to shoot you down in flames.

[Pam Robson 1,844]

The poster to whom you refer has, in fact, held administrative positions at the highest level - back when racing was going well.

He would have more first hand knowledge than most - if not all - who comment here and elsewhere.  I imagine his view of the years since his direct involvement is tinged with disappointment, sadness even, at the directions taken.

As for the 'thousands of dollars cost '  by comments ?    How?   the biggest cost of all is in failing to take on board constructive criticism, and making use of some of the ideas put forward by many.

The Q & A section that used to be run by Dave and Ange in the earliest days of this site was a good attempt to get some connection, shame it wasn't able to continue.

[Pam Robson 1,844]

10 hours ago, Pak Star said:

Whats the deal with the south island jockey ranks at the moment.  I notice one race at Riccarton tomorrow has north island jocks on 9 of the 11 runners.  No doubt connections want the best of the bunch on their ones, but it cant be helpful for south island riders to gain experience or earn a living if so many northern raiders are coming to town on a Friday.

Even the domestic air fare prices aren't stopping them

Yes.  A double-edged sword, as you put.   There are times where I have to cringe at the sight of some of the performances, but I've long felt that if you don't support the local product, there very soon won't be one.

At least the new mentor for apprentices, Jason Laking, will do a very good job and seems to be having a beneficial effect already.   He rides regular trackwork too, so is johnny-on-the-spot to address problems.